Going to Get a Russian Girl

[Tsar]

I know nothing about "Tsar" but I think the girl is hot. Totally my type, regardless of age.

You have good preferences in women.

[Jester]

Tsar can certainly get grandiose with his regal pronouncements, eh?

Adama gave sincere advice, but he made it too grim

I have learned only recently not to tell my plans even to loved ones. It leads to no good.

If I do blurt out my plans, like Tsar did above, and then said loved ones piss on my hopes and dreams, or (more typically) try to talk me out of them, then that still doesnt mean that I will disown the offending relatives.
Rather I just learn to keep my mouth shut till after I have fulfilled my plan.

That's the trick.

Know what you want to do
Do it
THEN brag, if you feel the need
Or better yet CONTINUE to walk in humility and let your reality speak for itself

He who humbles himself shall be exalted
He who exalts himself will be cast down

PS to Tsar:
Talking big doesn't make you look big. It makes you look like a big target. Stay quiet, stay humble, act with confidence.

Oh and one more thing:
The naysayers will be your biggest fans, once you show them. They will come around.

[Jester]

If I'm not mistaken, if a US citizen goes abroad, the age of consent is 18 or no more than 5 years younger than he is, something like that.

I think 16.

Cornfed is right. I think Mr. Man is thinking of a local law in some state i the U.S., or in a particular foreign country.

Under Federal law, the one tht applies to Americans EVERYWHERE, age 16 up is okay for US citizens abroad, unless money or plane tickets are involved, then its 18.

Prossies under 18 WILL land you in jail if the authorities get wind of it. And the foreigner will be the only guy prosecuted. Plus the US will participate in the process, slap that sex offender label on you for life.

I tell young American men going abroad that they should be fearless about chatting up girls from 16 up. Believe me, SOMEONE is gonna get that green fruit. Why not you?

[MrMan]

I found and posted the details about some of the laws in one of these threads. I don't remember all the details, but I think 16 is against US law. Following the countries law is a 'moral minimum', sometimes even less than that. It's wrong to go fornicate with an 18-year-old or older, too.

[Man With a Plan]

I believe it's state-by-state for Americans. Some states say sixteen with parental consent, others say eighteen. The federal government itself says eighteen, but as previously stated, the states get a say on how their own laws roll. As far as the travel law, the federal government is your 'state' in that sense, and thus the age of consent for any tail you pull across the oceans is eighteen. Obviously, I don't advise playing with fire in that regard, but on the other hand (especially for you nonces -- of which several of you here are suspect), I don't see how Uncle Sam would get wise to it unless you're uploading pictures or videos like a moron. Like that one fellow who was in Morocco.

[MrMan]

Those laws again:

It looks like the age limit is 18 on this law for a commercial transaction. Another statute allows for 15 years to life if the victim is under 14. Section 109A forbids sexual interaction in a maritime district with anyone under 16. But there is there is no exemption in 109A for married couples (e.g. married to a 15 year old) unless the other party is no more than four years older. I wonder if Afghanistani immigrants have ever been charged.

(c)Engaging in Illicit Sexual Conduct in Foreign Places.—
Any United States citizen or alien admitted for permanent residence who travels in foreign commerce or resides, either temporarily or permanently, in a foreign country, and engages in any illicit sexual conduct with another person shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

(f)Definition.—As used in this section, the term “illicit sexual conduct” means—
(1) a sexual act (as defined in section 2246) with a person under 18 years of age that would be in violation of chapter 109A if the sexual act occurred in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
(2) any commercial sex act (as defined in section 1591) with a person under 18 years of age; or
(3) production of child pornography (as defined in section 2256(8)).

That was from:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2423
1You can also look up:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2243

[Adama]

Tsar can certainly get grandiose with his regal pronouncements, eh?

Adama gave sincere advice, but he made it too grim

I have learned only recently not to tell my plans even to loved ones. It leads to no good.

If I do blurt out my plans, like Tsar did above, and then said loved ones piss on my hopes and dreams, or (more typically) try to talk me out of them, then that still doesnt mean that I will disown the offending relatives.
Rather I just learn to keep my mouth shut till after I have fulfilled my plan.

That's the trick.

Know what you want to do
Do it
THEN brag, if you feel the need
Or better yet CONTINUE to walk in humility and let your reality speak for itself

He who humbles himself shall be exalted
He who exalts himself will be cast down

PS to Tsar:
Talking big doesn't make you look big. It makes you look like a big target. Stay quiet, stay humble, act with confidence.

Oh and one more thing:
The naysayers will be your biggest fans, once you show them. They will come around.

Poor Tsar. I won't bother writing to him anymore. He will never learn.

Jester, it all depends on the degree to which they try to stomp on you. Some of them genuinely may feel they are helping you out with good advice. But probably most people are extremely prideful people who are murderers at heart. They want to stomp on you because they're filled with pride, especially if what you are reaching for is something they'll never get. (And prideful people are filled with hatred for others, that's how they exalt themselves as better, everything about the other people is inferior.)

If your goal is impossible for them or greater than what they know or feel they can get, they will hate you for even mentioning it. And they will do their best to stop you by brainwashing you with fear of failure, and if they really hate you, they will insult you.

One time I told this man I was working with about my preference for foreign women. This was a man who was dating a Czech woman long distance from the states. He then began to ridicule me by saying that real men prefer women their own age and only losers who seek to dominate women go for foreign women. But you see, he had a foreign woman of his own, and she was younger than him. He was also always bashing women continually. So I thought I had found a kindred spirit. Nope, just a prideful spirit. A person filled with murder who is just looking for a reason to unleash their hatred because their blackened heart demands it.

(Sidenote, he was always bashing everyone, from the poor, to coworkers, and even assuming he knew things about their lives that he didn't know, just to bash them and speak negatively about them behind their backs. He bashed women in general and people who earned more money than him too. There was nobody exempt from his bashing. Nobody.)

Just like some people are loving and kind, others are filled with darkness and murder. Just like some people want to help others, there are also those who want to see others fail or suffer, and it makes them happy when others fail. They delight in seeing other people stumble or fail to get the good things in life (like marriage).

There are people who are the children of God who tell the truth, and then there are people who are the children of Satan, who abide in lies, deception and confusion, along with insults, slander and mocking.

If someone is stomping on you for saying something benign from your heart and that thing you said is not hateful, then I would stay away. Not someone who is warning you politely, but someone whose goal is obvious that they hate you, or they are prideful.

Lots of prideful people talk out of their wazoo, knowing nothing, yet giving advice as if they have great wisdom. When in reality, they only have success with breaking God's laws because God has loosed them and abandoned them.

[Adama]

T

Know what you want to do
Do it
THEN brag, if you feel the need
Or better yet CONTINUE to walk in humility and let your reality speak for itself

He who humbles himself shall be exalted
He who exalts himself will be cast down

It's better never to brag. In fact, try your best not to tell anyone. Bragging is prideful. Then the ravening wolves will come around to knock you off your pedestal. Keep your accomplishments to yourself. There are people who simply can't live thinking someone has more joy than they do, and they want to see others brought low. Keep the good things about your life to yourself. Same as the bad.

It's a shame but that's how it is.

But also remember, all the glory goes to God, because a man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven.

Those men who are able to do lots of bad things are loosed from the bridle of Christ and can drown in iniquity. To them they seem successful, but really they've destroyed their souls to gain unrighteous pleasure for a season (this life). They don't even know that the things which they do mean they cannot have eternal life, because their very ability to drown in them means they've rejected the bridle and yoke of Christ.

[droid]

He who humbles himself shall be exalted
He who exalts himself will be cast down

+1
Nice to see Jester once in a while

[Jester]

Adama, Droid, I read your comments, thanks

I don't seem to have a "reply" button on ech post, just a "reply to thread"

Just wanted to let you know I saw your remarks

Yeah it's good to be back, even in a limited way

[Jester]

OK my relpy button has disappeared so I have copied and pasted what I am replying to, form Mr Man:

"Those laws again:

MrMan wrote:
It looks like the age limit is 18 on this law for a commercial transaction. Another statute allows for 15 years to life if the victim is under 14. Section 109A forbids sexual interaction in a maritime district with anyone under 16. But there is there is no exemption in 109A for married couples (e.g. married to a 15 year old) unless the other party is no more than four years older. I wonder if Afghanistani immigrants have ever been charged.

(c)Engaging in Illicit Sexual Conduct in Foreign Places.—
Any United States citizen or alien admitted for permanent residence who travels in foreign commerce or resides, either temporarily or permanently, in a foreign country, and engages in any illicit sexual conduct with another person shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

(f)Definition.—As used in this section, the term “illicit sexual conduct” means—
(1) a sexual act (as defined in section 2246) with a person under 18 years of age that would be in violation of chapter 109A if the sexual act occurred in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
(2) any commercial sex act (as defined in section 1591) with a person under 18 years of age; or
(3) production of child pornography (as defined in section 2256(8))."

All of that is referring to commercial or coerced sex under 18. Which is illegal in many many countries even for their own local citizens. Don't do it.

For NON-commercial lovemaking, if the girl is under 16, ANOTHER law which you DIDNT track down (it's hard, I know, to unravel convoluted legal codes), creates the assumption that if she is under 16, it IS illicit, regardless of consent, AS IF it was under the codes you cited.

In other words, for Americans, it's ALWAYS illegal to have sex abroad if the girl is under 16. Even if you're an 18 year old exchange student, don't be alone with an under 16 girl, no mater how eager she is. Go have dinner at her parents house, and wait.

If she's 16 to 17, it's illegal if you coerced her, paid her any money for anything, flew her somewhere, etc. This is under US law and also under local laws almost everywhere. At that age, better if you cohabitate or marry with parents consent. Do not fly to her the US without marrying first, or shit will fly, even if you are within the law.

If she's 18, it's always legal, (outside Moslem countries) assuming she consented.

[Jester]

I believe it's state-by-state for Americans. Some states say sixteen with parental consent, others say eighteen. The federal government itself says eighteen, but as previously stated, the states get a say on how their own laws roll. As far as the travel law, the federal government is your 'state' in that sense, and thus the age of consent for any tail you pull across the oceans is eighteen.

[OK the quote button is back, or maybe I just missed it before.
Love that quote button.
Remembered to trim your message down...
...Winston got mad at me once for always quoting the whole thing.... Maybe digital bits on the internet are a scarce resource? ]

Man With A Plan, what you are citing is the way it USED to be not long ago.

SINCE then, the Feds greatly stiffened the penalties, but as they did so, they lowered the age of presumed illicit sex from 18 to 16. I guess they didn't want a 19 year old exchange student to go to jail for 30 years for having sex with an amorous 17 year old in Rome or Paris or wherever.

To sum up:
--18 is a "safe harbor" for "making whoopee" except in Shariah-law countries
--16 and up is okay (for Americans) only if you keep it "in the light", don't allow accusations of getting her high or tipsy or of paying her or giving her anything of value, OR OF PROMISING HER MARRIAGE THEN RENEGING*, and make sure that you have witnesses that she came with you freely.
--Under 16 is never okay for an American.

I'm pretty sure that most European countries do NOT have these laws affecting their citizens abroad, only the AngloZone does, and perhaps a few other Northern Euro nanny states.

Of course no Asians or Latins or Africans worry about the stuff their people do outside their home jurisdiction.
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*The reneging on a promise thing wouldn't be a problem under US law, but it would be here in the Philippines, I believe. It makes sense if you think about it. Tell the truth, be open, don't sneak around, meet the parents, don't pay money to corrupt-and-abandon, treat a girl like you would want your daughter treated.... and you should be OK. Most modern parents don't expect marriage before sex (though some do). But A LOT of parents will go on the warpath if their daughter is deceived, coerced, intoxicated etc, especially if she is then abandoned.

[eurobrat]

Has Tsar even been out of the USA at all? Tsar, I strongly encourage you to first take baby steps before trying to take giant leaps.

[xtravel]

SINCE then, the Feds greatly stiffened the penalties, but as they did so, they lowered the age of presumed illicit sex from 18 to 16. I guess they didn't want a 19 year old exchange student to go to jail for 30 years for having sex with an amorous 17 year old in Rome or Paris or wherever.

This is incorrect. https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/c ... n-children

Code: Select all

          For all of these statutes, a child is considered to be anyone under the age of 18.

Use this link to report violations:

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/r ... orttourism

Those of you with dreams of a 13 year old bride ought to reconsider.