Rock wrote:swincor__ wrote:I really don't know what you're getting in a huff about, Rock.
She had IMO a legitimate complaint. Loud Asian (I'm betting Chinese, but maybe Korean) students who did not show consideration for the other students in the library and were talking loudly on their cellphones.
I have seen and heard this behavior repeatedly from Chinese (from China) myself. And so have others.
The fact that she's an AW is totally beside the point here. Do you really believe she was the only white student annoyed at their behavior? Or do you think it's just blonde bimbos who have this problem? It wouldn't surprise me at all if many other white students who don't talk like blonde bimbos, or who don't have hostile feelings toward other races, were just as annoyed too.
And I will bet you she spoke for a LOT of people, white people, who are too intimidated to speak out for fear of being labeled "racist" - exactly what happened to her.
I really don't give a shit if this is "racist" to you. I don't have a problem with immigrants or foreigners as long as they show some respect for the local customs, like not talking loudly in a library. Is that too much to ask? But when they act boorishly, there's no reason why they shouldn't be called on it.
It makes no sense to me that it's OK to talk about group behaviors as long as they aren't offensive. Reality isn't so sweet and nice, Rock. Different groups will exhibit behaviors that others will find offensive; it shouldn't be a big deal to point it out. We point out good qualities about Chinese or whatever group, why is it bad to point out the bad as well? People should be free to complain against groups of people (races or ethnicities) who exhibit rude or offensive behavior without being intimidated by the thought police.
I agree with what the blonde girl said.
First of all, I must say, your avatar is confusing. Its easy to forget that you are not Winston. What's up with that?
Secondly, I'm not getting in any sort of huff, just logically explaining why I disagree with those who claim that there is no racism expressed or implied in her post. I threw up several definitions of 'racism' which I believe are commonly accepted meanings of the word in the US. Then I posted the first half or so of her rant word-for-word and explained how it fit certain parts of that definition. So this is not about it being 'racist' to me. This is about it falling into the scope of some commonly accepted definitions of racism. I didn't create that word or its meaning. I'm just connecting some simple dots. If you don't agree, why not explain the reasons clearly? Counter my definition, assumptions, or logic. You not giving a shit about my opinion proves nothing.
I think you either misunderstood or somehow missed my original argument, because we seem to be on very different planes here.
I'm trying to argue that the girl's complaint had merit, and deserved to be heard. You seem to be trying to argue that the girl expressed herself in a racist manner.
IOW, you seem to be hung up on
how she said something rather than
what she said. My approach is completely the opposite: I’m focused on the content of her rant, not how she expressed it.
That’s why I didn't argue that she wasn't racist. For all I know, you may be right that she's racist. I'm not a mind reader. I can’t tell what she thinks about other races, nor do I really care. Nor do I think it matters in this instance whether or not she is "racist" because even if she were so,
it still does not invalidate her initial complaint.
So yes, you are correct in saying my not giving a shit proves nothing (re: whether she is racist or not) -- but then, I never set out to prove she wasn’t racist in the first place.
Thirdly, many of the response vids were also racist, some much more so than hers I would say. Some may agree with the AWs original rant, others may agree with some of the responses, and some may see merits on both sides. But that doesn't change the fact that many of these rants fall into the scope of racism as per my earlier definitions. Just because you agree with her rant doesn't automatically mean its not racist.
I haven't seen the other vids, to tell you the truth, so I'll take your word they are as you describe them. Again, I never argued that she wasn't racist. My argument always has been that she had a legitimate complaint.
I admit that I am biased against this sort of AW at a visceral level. But that's besides the point. The issue being debated here is: is her rant racist or not.
Well, the issue may be that for you. For me, the issue is: is her rant expressing a justifiable complaint. IMO the answer is obvious: yes, it is.
