The True Forced Loneliness Movement (TFL)

[NorthAmericanguy]

Tell him to:

work part time and spend short vacations overseas, even as near as Mexico or Quebec. Make contacts in those countries.
learn foreign languages and chat with people online that are into those languages or speak them.
establish credit and start investing so that one could build up an emergency nest egg of some sorts.
read many books about different countries and study as much as possible about them.
find out if there are exchange programs whereby one can spend a semester overseas.

Where there is a will,there is a way.

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[NorthAmericanguy]

My God, this almost brings me to tears. It made me sick to read some of the bitchy comments about "Bill" on youtube. I think what he says is pretty true. I read (maybe on here) that over 20% of Americans have NO friends out-side of their family.
Interestingly, on my last post I wrote 10 minutes ago I said that many US women just take & take from men until the well runs dry. I think this the main thing that Bill said causes True Forced Lonliness.
Something comes to mind: "The nicer you are to other people, the worst you get treated" Anyway, something that I've realised is that good looking people get used up pretty badly too.

Good post... It's all true from what I have seen. And as far as myself, although I know many people through my business, I currently have ZERO male friends.


Why? Well, the majority of my male friends in the past got married and had kids which changed their lives.

I don't know what it is with American guys, they get a woman and all of the sudden they disown all their friends and often it seems as if the woman prefers it that way. This does not seem to happen in other cultures were men still hang out with the boys no matter if they have a woman in their lives or not.

To make matters worse, at my age (32) it's hard to meet new male friends because all the decent non trouble making guys my age are very busy taking care of their new families, working like dogs, looking for jobs, planning to get married, or planning to buy a home for their families.

Anyhow, what keeps me sane is my business actually. I get to travel around in my state and I have a reason to speak to people (sales) so in a way I get the loneliness out of my system through my work.

That said, it's not exactly healthy in the long run to use work as a way to escape loneliness so that's why I am looking to move abroad.

[odbo]

I don't know what it is with American guys, they get a woman and all of the sudden they disown all their friends and often it seems as if the woman prefers it that way. This does not seem to happen in other cultures were men still hang out with the boys no matter if they have a woman in their lives or not.

Absolutely. Everything in American society is so fake and held together by such flimsy values that people have to always be on guard. Being yourself doesn't come naturally, it's a full time acting job. When I was abroad I remember how people were secure and content in their roles. In America I get the impression that the sheeple are programmed to keep each other in line like concentration camp guards as the whole system will just collapse if people start getting any ideas. If a woman lets her man go out with his friends, she's got to threaten him with something like "I'm watching you!" Why is that necessary? Because she's quite literally shitting bricks until he gets back. What if he meets another woman? What if he decides he's gay? As ridiculous as that sounds these fears are founded in reality. Such "labored" living would never happen in a healthier society. Where else do 40 or 50 year old women suddenly decide they want to become online porn stars? One of the effects of our degenerate "youth culture" (example: American Idol).

And have you noticed how insecure Anglo couples treat single people? Especially if say 2 couples (2 men, 2 women) are having dinner, and a single man or woman comes over.. they'll be treated with suspicion at best. Single people are "wild" and give the couple visions of freedom. Domesticated animals are kept with other domesticated animals, so when wild animals try to interact with them, they are seen as a threat. Again, this doesn't happen that much abroad because people are secure in their roles and decisions. If my marriage was a farce, I'd be worried too.

[NorthAmericanguy]

If a woman lets her man go out with his friends, she's got to threaten him with something like "I'm watching you!" Why is that necessary? Because she's quite literally shitting bricks until he gets back. What if he meets another woman?

I did work for this crazy upper middle class woman who told me that she would cut her husbands balls off if he ever went out and messed around on her; he told me she told her husband.

And have you noticed how insecure Anglo couples treat single people? Especially if say 2 couples (2 men, 2 women) are having dinner, and a single man or woman comes over.. they'll be treated with suspicion at best. Single people are "wild" and give the couple visions of freedom. Domesticated animals are kept with other domesticated animals, so when wild animals try to interact with them, they are seen as a threat. Again, this doesn't happen that much abroad because people are secure in their roles and decisions. If my marriage was a farce, I'd be worried too.

This is why I don't have many friends even though I know many people because these couples always try and make me feel as if I'm in the wrong, or something is wrong with me because I don't want to be married or have children.

Couples/married people are BORING to be around anyway because they are often lazy, overweight, slow to do things, and have apathetic behavior.

[Winston]

Hey check this out. Dwayne Holloway of TFL, a former member of this forum, has just got his passport and is planning to go abroad. See his announcement below.



I wonder why he didn't tell us about it, since we are the ones that inspired him. If this works out, maybe he'll rejoin our movement, and ditch TFL, or try to combine the two somehow.

I'll write him and tell him that if he needs any advice or suggestions, that we are here for him.

Wish him luck you guys. He's suffered so much for so long.

[Winston]

Here are some new interviews by Steve Hoca with the TFL movement. In part 2, he talks about the Philippines and mentions me. Apparently, Bill, the founder of TFL, recently went to the Philippines too.

[jamesbond]

Good post... It's all true from what I have seen. And as far as myself, although I know many people through my business, I currently have ZERO male friends.

Why? Well, the majority of my male friends in the past got married and had kids which changed their lives.

I don't know what it is with American guys, they get a woman and all of the sudden they disown all their friends and often it seems as if the woman prefers it that way. This does not seem to happen in other cultures were men still hang out with the boys no matter if they have a woman in their lives or not.

To make matters worse, at my age (32) it's hard to meet new male friends because all the decent non trouble making guys my age are very busy taking care of their new families, working like dogs, looking for jobs, planning to get married, or planning to buy a home for their families.

After I graduated from college, I kept in touch with my friends until they got married. Then, I basically never saw them again!

My roommate from college and me hung out together until he got married 4 years after college. Then, he wanted nothing to do with his male friends again!
The guy now has no friends and only has his wife for social support.

It seems like in the US, when a guy get's married, he wants nothing to do with his male friends and only has his wife as his friend. If the guy and his wife get divorced, then he will have NO friends because he alienated his male friends after he got married.

[NorthAmericanguy]

Good post... It's all true from what I have seen. And as far as myself, although I know many people through my business, I currently have ZERO male friends.

Why? Well, the majority of my male friends in the past got married and had kids which changed their lives.

I don't know what it is with American guys, they get a woman and all of the sudden they disown all their friends and often it seems as if the woman prefers it that way. This does not seem to happen in other cultures were men still hang out with the boys no matter if they have a woman in their lives or not.

To make matters worse, at my age (32) it's hard to meet new male friends because all the decent non trouble making guys my age are very busy taking care of their new families, working like dogs, looking for jobs, planning to get married, or planning to buy a home for their families.

After I graduated from college, I kept in touch with my friends until they got married. Then, I basically never saw them again!

My roommate from college and me hung out together until he got married 4 years after college. Then, he wanted nothing to do with his male friends again!
The guy now has no friends and only has his wife for social support.

It seems like in the US, when a guy get's married, he wants nothing to do with his male friends and only has his wife as his friend. If the guy and his wife get divorced, then he will have NO friends because he alienated his male friends after he got married.

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And see, that's bad because when guys go though divorce (and they will) with no friends they're more likely to kill themselves, kill others, or in general go berserk like the guy who killed all those people including his x wife in Seal Beach, Ca because they have no support:



http://abcnews.go.com/US/seal-beach-mas ... d=14726230


Random comments:

"its the courts fault, they just put a man I know through two years.. when a ex wanted child support for two grown children, which he supported and proved over and over again. All while he was ill, the Court and the Attorney's are to blame. The attorney was doing nothing more than racking up fees and abusing the finances of the family. This type of abuse and stress can push someone over the limit as it has time and time again.. I feel sorry for all of the innocent people here, as everyone is innocent. The system must be reevaluated.."



"Let me shed a few facts on the situation - the guy was slim and physically fit a few years ago, when he got in a boating accident that crippled him. In that accident he tried, unsuccessfully to save the life of a woman that was also involved in the accident. People said he was very heroic - at that incident.Being crippled weighed on him - emotionally, and in other ways - he literally gained weight, his wife divorced him.Look when you divorce a crippled person, and ask the courts to pay YOU a $1500 salary every month, and you sue your ex-husband for his disability money - which she did - that takes a bit of gall.It is not at all uncommon to try and justify this type of cruelty with these excuses - making up abuse charges.The guy did snap - and did kill innocent people. He has to go to jail for that - and be condemned for it, that's not how you handle the problem.But yes, its fair to say the courts were engaging in their usual sexism and unspeakable cruelties - but, they didn't block him from all time with his child, and some say he was getting close to obtaining near equal time.But we all know thats also a bit of a lie. If you are crippled and the court is going to put you in jail if you can't find a way to come up with the payments to your ex - as much as you'd like to be with your child, you have to spend all your time in your role as slave - scrounging up money.I don't know the reasons this guy snapped - I just found a bit more information from the LA times.I feel very bad for the child here, and all those innocent victims - at the same time, there is no reason to give the courts any type of pass - they are old school sexists - and the damage they cause, tremendous."




"I think his actions are horrible and he deserves whatever punishment the system gives him. HOWEVER, all this talk about how women suffer from domestic abuse bothers me. I know more men who have been psychologically abused by x-wives , tormented by these women over child custody. One woman accused her x-husband of child molestation and he went to prison and now has to register as a sex offender. There was no way his innocence would come out because she was supported by the prosecutor (ending up marrying him!). Two other men I know are really good people but the x-wife torments and intimidates them. Bottom line, men AND women are guilty of horrible actions during divorce. I just wish ABC and other news reports would include the statistics on male being abused."



"Let's see how many tantrums a woman will have if the court wasnt always in their favor. My guess is they will pout and not want anything to do with the kids OR the ex. Kids too often are used as meal tickets and it is disgusting. Does anyone know how much child support p diddy is paying? He's paying 22k per MONTH. Take these special priveleges away from women and I bet you that a lot more marriages would last longer and people wouldnt have as many kids.All p diddy wanted to do was have a family. He took a chance on someone to make his wife and start a family and this is what happened to him. The courts and laws encourages these family breakups and failed marriages with all the incentives they provide to women."


"Men and Women no longer have equal rights. Women have more rights! A women cries wolf and the man immediately pays the maximum penalty. I hope this incident brings into light the injustice men face when they go to court against their wife. This incident she be blamed on how the courts failed to give fair custody to both parents."

[NorthAmericanguy]

Here are some new interviews by Steve Hoca with the TFL movement. In part 2, he talks about the Philippines and mentions me. Apparently, Bill, the founder of TFL, recently went to the Philippines too.

I listened to both. Steve Hoca is spot on and the 2 other guys he's arguing with still have a soft spot for women and will get screwed one day because of it.

MGTOW/TFL, and other pro male movements should be for MEN ONLY and we shouldn't care if a woman is sympathetic to our cause. It's a NO BRAINIER considering that women are masters at deception and they are masters in playing roles and acting to get what they want in life.


The author of The Manipulated Man said it herself that men must become colder then women if we're going to stand a chance against women.

[polya]

Hey check this out. Dwayne Holloway of TFL, a former member of this forum, has just got his passport and is planning to go abroad. See his announcement below.


Wish him luck you guys. He's suffered so much for so long.

I really wish him luck & hope he has the time of his life. Has anyone heard if he's gone abroad yet as Winston's post was written in August & now its October. He sure looks happy about going and he really knows more than most guys how toxic AW are. He might not want to come back to the USA - LOL!

[polya]

Good post...

After I graduated from college, I kept in touch with my friends until they got married. Then, I basically never saw them again!

My roommate from college and me hung out together until he got married 4 years after college. Then, he wanted nothing to do with his male friends again!
The guy now has no friends and only has his wife for social support.

It seems like in the US, when a guy get's married, he wants nothing to do with his male friends and only has his wife as his friend. If the guy and his wife get divorced, then he will have NO friends because he alienated his male friends after he got married.

Guys have been brain-washed by feminism & TV. They have no interest in making friends. Even worse, guys try to scam eachother & won't support eachother like women help other women. Guys have become lone-sheep who are picked off one by one by feminist wolves & most don't have the brain-power to understand this.

[Winston]

Hey check out this hot girl bashing the TFL movement.



The comments in it are very heated. One of the commentators said something very truthful to her:

"Yeah well gurl, it might be disenpowering. But if you ever went +20 years of not having romantic companionship I'd like to see how self-confident you'd be. It is very hard, I don't even belong to that movement or whatever. But being alone causes psychological damage to people, I know so. As a girl you probably won't be able to understand this. For most girls "being alone" means breaking up with their boyfriend and spending 2 or 3 months untill getting a new one, with casual sex in between."

Btw, regarding TFL, why does it seem to be getting more attention than we are, even though most of it is negative? If you Google it, you get a ton of sites bashing them, and a ton of YouTube videos bashing them too. Why don't we get that kind of attention too? Have a look:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... iness&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=TFL&aq=f
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab& ... 80&bih=674

[Winston]

Btw, check out that girl's other video about porn. Look at her expressions and listen to her voice. Dang. Doesn't she sound so annoying? Can you imagine being involved with her and hearing her talk to you like that? Wouldn't it drive you crazy?

[Repatriate]

Btw, check out that girl's other video about porn. Look at her expressions and listen to her voice. Dang. Doesn't she sound so annoying? Can you imagine being involved with her and hearing her talk to you like that? Wouldn't it drive you crazy?

Annoying know it all valley girlish voice. Check.

Snotty self entitled attitude. Check.

Tit size / intellect inverse ratio. Check.

A few more years away from turning into a behemoth fat ass. Check.



American men love women like this though. Whoever ends up with this trainwreck will probably go through some wild drama and financial losses.

[jamesbond]

The comments in it are very heated. One of the commentators said something very truthful to her:

"Yeah well gurl, it might be disenpowering. But if you ever went +20 years of not having romantic companionship I'd like to see how self-confident you'd be. It is very hard, I don't even belong to that movement or whatever. But being alone causes psychological damage to people, I know so. As a girl you probably won't be able to understand this. For most girls "being alone" means breaking up with their boyfriend and spending 2 or 3 months untill getting a new one, with casual sex in between."

Boy is that statement true! Women in the US get asked out by guys all the time, especially if she is good looking. I have even heard girls say they have not gone more than a month without a boyfriend! How many guys can say they have never gone more than a month without a girlfriend?

The problem is, in America, single men outnumber single women by a wide margin. Also, women in the US are some of most unfriendly women in the world (they don't flirt with men or even make eye contact with men).

For women America is dating heaven, for men, America is dating hell!