PeterAndrewNolan wrote:
But in the 30-40 crowd this is not true from my limited experience. My limited experience is that the only men chasing women actively are the lower level betas. In most cases it is the women pursuing the men as the bio clock ticks louder and louder.
This is what we men like to tell ourselves. It's called "wishful thinking." "Denial is not just a river in Egypt" - ever heard that expression?
Do me one favor, and go on this site:
http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/
and actually, this specific post right here:
http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2012 ... rajectory/
This is a blog about middle-aged dating. In it, a 50-year-old American man discusses how he and other men his age "woo" and "game" middle-aged women in their 40s and 50s. I am not kidding. In this particular post, he talks about he 'gamed' a middle-aged grandma sitting in a wine bar. The majority of commenters on his site agree with him and claim that it's necessary to have "charisma" and "game" to succeed with relatively good-looking
40+ women -- otherwise, even in this age range, the men will be lonely and desperate. When a debate arose as to the fact that middle-aged men shouldn't really have to exert that much effort for older women, the blogger and his followers (
middle-aged men with "game"!) disagreed, saying the following (and I quote):
- "This is Dating 2.0 where men have to really up their stuff..."
- "the average 40-something woman tends to be overweight (to obese) and will only find a surfeit of perfectly ordinary middle-aged single guys who lack in the Charisma department. I lead a perfectly ordinary life with perfectly ordinary looks but I actively work on my Charisma as I urge all perfectly ordinary guys to do the same. "
- "I doesn’t matter how old women are….as long as they look better than their similarly aged cohort, they will get attention without making any effort for it or without any consideration of how difficult their personalities may be. "
- "if a woman over 40 makes an effort to maintain her attractiveness and femininity, especially her weight, she will be approached, mostly by older men."
These aren't some desperate youngsters pouncing on hot 20-year-old babes. These are
50-year-old American men finding it necessary to resort to
"game" to "woo" 40- and 50-year-old women with kids, in the case of this particular post, a grandma. If you don't believe me, feel free to browse that blog.
One other example: have you heard of Samantha Brick, the British woman (41 years of age) who was invited on talk shows and TV to talk about how popular she was and how many different offers she was getting from guys?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... tiful.html
Here on this site, I mentioned the same fact, and a middle-aged forum member agreed with me and shared his experience:
viewtopic.php?t=13152&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
" agree and this was my experience. Post divorce I assumed I would be relagated to women between 45-55 and that is who i dated for a couple years. Unsuccessfully. I mean I figured, I have a great job, nice home/car, stable life - I should have no trouble with the middle aged set. But was I wrong. The women in this age category are incredibly picky, and if they are decent looking will date younger men. I dated an attractive 50-something, whose previously bf was 29.
And one last data point. On PlentyOfFish, middle-aged men are wondering why they're having such a hard time meeting women
their age.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts14766159.aspx
The younger men will not take up with an older woman.
False; there are lots of young guys hitting on MILFs, much to the amusement of these older women (where do you think that acronym comes from? lol). I can vouch for that because when I was in my 20s I, too, used to send out thousands of emails to women 35-50 (of course, none responded) because I found them attractive and still do. Older women constantly have to fend off advances from young guys as well, but it puts a smile on their face rather than irritates them. These days, many date guys considerably younger than themselves, as in the case of the HappyAbroad poster above, whose gf (50) used to date a 29-yr-old guy.
There are so many women in Germany who are 30+ and still unmarried and no baby that they really do need to get a move on. My fav#1 is a case in point. We met when she was 34 and she was desperately looking for a husband. Even though I told her I did not want more children she was prepared to try and change my mind due to lack of opportunity to snare a man who already wanted kids. She tells me a lot of her friends have exactly the same problem.
Not the case that German women
want kids. They are voluntarily childless and it suits them just fine.
Germany agonises over 30% childless women· Highest number in world choose not to have family ...
with the figure rising among female graduates to 40%
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/ja ... ukeharding
The reasons are mostly cultural over there,
..."It shows the deep contempt with which raising children is regarded," she said
but, despite various government incentives, German women are loudly saying NO. You chose an example of a Ukrainian woman living in Germany. That's a completely different instance.