I then believe my answer to your final question is in my previous posts on this thread. They say "love is blind", and the chance of an adult man finding the Love of His Life in a teenage girl is very possible. Yet what I am wondering is what on Earth an adult man would find worth pursuing a long-term relationship or even marriage, in a girl who, especially in these modern times, is only concerned with posting crap on Facebook, listening to very dubious pop, tapping on their smartphones, gossiping about the latest celebs and drooling over a few pointless fashion items, and perhaps passing some school exams on the side? What cultural, intellectual affinities, what common horizons and plans could a 36 years old like me share with a 15 or 16 years old? Granted, physical attraction could be a significant factor for some (although I am not at all a fan of child-like beauty, I like 'em curvy and well developed). In short: I personally find it very difficult for a healthy adult male to find reasons to pursue a teenager other than a predilection for young bodies and young minds, probably out the idea that a younger girl would be far easier to dominate and shape to one's own will, or perhaps some nostalgia about the traditional girls of 2 or 3 generations ago, who unfortunately have ceased to exist for good. And I'm deliberately omitting the other obvious, much less charitable reason.
Your description of modern teens is funny but sad...and keep in mind there are many exceptions.I have a not yet 13-year-old daughter from my first marriage. She is growing into a quite attractive girl, no attitude, no interest in celebrities, minor interest in Facebook, and very little interest in pop culture.
She tests at the college freshman level for reading skills and comprehension. Her computer skills are advanced adult- she sets up her own servers and does the admin work on them herself..is very interested in Science and languages, and has old fashioned common sense by the boatload. She does not need to be "taken in hand" but at the same time is very suspicious of anything feminist.
Might she be interested in marriage by age 18? Maybe- we have talked about it.
How did this happen you might ask? Not a single day in US public schools, the cone-head factory.and I have always encouraged her to be an independent thinker. We have a roaring email and chat interchange and she is joining me here in the Philippines this coming year for a while. She and my new wife adore each other...
Overall, her experience in life and the kind of young woman she is growing into bear no resemble to anything discussed on this forum.
One of her biggest wishes this coming year when I am back in the states (To bring her back with me) is that I will put her through a good combat firearms training regimen. to whatever degree she can handle.
It IS possible to be different, and girls can still grow up the way she is now.
Outwest
Mindanao, Philippines
Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:26 am
zacb
Joined: 21 Jun 2012
Posts: 809
Location: Michigan
Cornfed:No. What I am saying is we give government this. Then we let them take away drugs, then insider trading, then ban cigarettes, then Christians meeting in their own home. What next? And while some of the above laws protect stupidity (children growing up in a culture than indoctrinates them with stupidity, insider trading, product bans, etc.), then it leads to taking away of rights from what most people would consider "normal" people. (example: Patriot Act) I don't know how you would get genocide out of any laws that I have mentioned, except if you mean it violates the NAP (non-aggression principle). If that is the case, then yeah, you are right. All I was saying is to most people, those laws make sense, and don't question the potential outcome. Which leads to bad laws that affects everyone, not just society's outcasts.
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I don't know how you would get genocide out of any laws that I have mentioned
It is very simple. The policy in question -preventing young women from marrying - is part of a suite of policies openly designed to suppress the birthrate of the target population. These policies have succeeded in suppressing the birthrates of almost all white Western populations below replacement level. If a population doesn’t breed at replacement level for long enough it goes extinct, as elementary school mathematics should tell you. If you replace the target population with immigrants, put toxins in food etc. then this will obviously hasten them on their way. Common sense would suggest that a tipping point will be reached where the target populations will simply be massacred, but even if this does not occur and things just keep on the way they are going, in 100 years time the white race will have essentially ceased to exist. So genocide.
Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:53 pm
publicduende
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 1116
Location: London, UK
Cornfed wrote:
zacb wrote:
I don't know how you would get genocide out of any laws that I have mentioned
It is very simple. The policy in question -preventing young women from marrying - is part of a suite of policies openly designed to suppress the birthrate of the target population. These policies have succeeded in suppressing the birthrates of almost all white Western populations below replacement level. If a population doesn’t breed at replacement level for long enough it goes extinct, as elementary school mathematics should tell you. If you replace the target population with immigrants, put toxins in food etc. then this will obviously hasten them on their way. Common sense would suggest that a tipping point will be reached where the target populations will simply be massacred, but even if this does not occur and things just keep on the way they are going, in 100 years time the white race will have essentially ceased to exist. So genocide.
What has marrying got to do with genocide? You know how weak is the institution of marriage is in the UK, yet you will agree with me they have a healthy birth rate. Sure, many of those kids will be from young single moms on welfare and families broken beyond recovery, yet birth statistics make no difference between Prince William's son and Essex Pearly Queen's. And sure, more and more first-class world children are replaced, on a purely statistical basis, by kids from immigrant families. Big deal. You really think the only or better policy to get women to have more kids is to marry them young?
On another post, PAN says I should have respect for you simply out of your seniority (= age). I don't even know what your biological age is, but I can surely tell your mental age from most of your posts. Between 13 and 16. And a pretty messed up 16 at that.
Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:02 pm
publicduende
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 1116
Location: London, UK
[quote="OutWest"]
publicduende wrote:
Jester wrote:
I then believe my answer to your final question is in my previous posts on this thread. They say "love is blind", and the chance of an adult man finding the Love of His Life in a teenage girl is very possible. Yet what I am wondering is what on Earth an adult man would find worth pursuing a long-term relationship or even marriage, in a girl who, especially in these modern times, is only concerned with posting crap on Facebook, listening to very dubious pop, tapping on their smartphones, gossiping about the latest celebs and drooling over a few pointless fashion items, and perhaps passing some school exams on the side? What cultural, intellectual affinities, what common horizons and plans could a 36 years old like me share with a 15 or 16 years old? Granted, physical attraction could be a significant factor for some (although I am not at all a fan of child-like beauty, I like 'em curvy and well developed). In short: I personally find it very difficult for a healthy adult male to find reasons to pursue a teenager other than a predilection for young bodies and young minds, probably out the idea that a younger girl would be far easier to dominate and shape to one's own will, or perhaps some nostalgia about the traditional girls of 2 or 3 generations ago, who unfortunately have ceased to exist for good. And I'm deliberately omitting the other obvious, much less charitable reason.
Your description of modern teens is funny but sad...and keep in mind there are many exceptions.I have a not yet 13-year-old daughter from my first marriage. She is growing into a quite attractive girl, no attitude, no interest in celebrities, minor interest in Facebook, and very little interest in pop culture.
She tests at the college freshman level for reading skills and comprehension. Her computer skills are advanced adult- she sets up her own servers and does the admin work on them herself..is very interested in Science and languages, and has old fashioned common sense by the boatload. She does not need to be "taken in hand" but at the same time is very suspicious of anything feminist.
Might she be interested in marriage by age 18? Maybe- we have talked about it.
How did this happen you might ask? Not a single day in US public schools, the cone-head factory.and I have always encouraged her to be an independent thinker. We have a roaring email and chat interchange and she is joining me here in the Philippines this coming year for a while. She and my new wife adore each other...
Overall, her experience in life and the kind of young woman she is growing into bear no resemble to anything discussed on this forum.
One of her biggest wishes this coming year when I am back in the states (To bring her back with me) is that I will put her through a good combat firearms training regimen. to whatever degree she can handle.
It IS possible to be different, and girls can still grow up the way she is now.
I am in awe. Did you raise her yourself? I can interpret your "not a single day in US public school" as her either going to a private school, or being homeschooled. Which one is it? See what I mean, when I say there are indeed examples of nice, serious, decent and balanced women, or women-in-the-making?
Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:06 pm
Cornfed
Joined: 17 Aug 2012
Posts: 859
publicduende wrote:
You know how weak is the institution of marriage is in the UK, yet you will agree with me they have a healthy birth rate
No, they don't. They have a fertility rate of 1.94 births per woman, which is an extinction birth rate - lower still for the white population. Just google "fertility rate UK". You keep making up complete nonsense and posting it here. Do you actually know anything about anything or do any research at all?
Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:47 pm
publicduende
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 1116
Location: London, UK
Cornfed wrote:
publicduende wrote:
You know how weak is the institution of marriage is in the UK, yet you will agree with me they have a healthy birth rate
No, they don't. They have a fertility rate of 1.94 births per woman, which is an extinction birth rate - lower still for the white population. Just google "fertility rate UK". You keep making up complete nonsense and posting it here. Do you actually know anything about anything or do any research at all?
Here my man. Cornfed or spoon-fed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_birth_rate
You will clearly see than UK, together with France, has one of the highest birth rates in first world countries. And reason for that is certainly not because women are child-farrowing bitches. It's because, coincidentally, both France and the UK have relatively good welfare nets that include child benefits, maternity and paternity leave, subsidies for food, kindergardens etc. Have a look and drawn your own conclusions.
Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:55 pm
Cornfed
Joined: 17 Aug 2012
Posts: 859
publicduende wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
publicduende wrote:
You know how weak is the institution of marriage is in the UK, yet you will agree with me they have a healthy birth rate
No, they don't. They have a fertility rate of 1.94 births per woman, which is an extinction birth rate - lower still for the white population. Just google "fertility rate UK". You keep making up complete nonsense and posting it here. Do you actually know anything about anything or do any research at all?
Yes, and the entire first world has extinction birthrates, and the only reason the UK and France are not going extinct quite as fast is because of their relatively fecund immigrant populations.
As to welfare for single skanks to breed, like most things the extinction agenda has had to be phased in and sold to its targets. Salesmen function largely by overcoming objections. The objection young women have to not getting married and instead becoming childless whores is "What if I want to be a mother one day?" to which the answer is "No worries, you can do it on some form of welfare". However, even with the welfare the system is set up to economically reward a lower birthrate. Once the idea of fecund families is well and truly dead the welfare can be reduced and ultimately withdrawn, as is happening.
Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:15 pm
OutWest
Joined: 19 Mar 2011
Posts: 769
Location: Asia/USA
[quote="publicduende"]
OutWest wrote:
publicduende wrote:
Jester wrote:
I then believe my answer to your final question is in my previous posts on this thread. They say "love is blind", and the chance of an adult man finding the Love of His Life in a teenage girl is very possible. Yet what I am wondering is what on Earth an adult man would find worth pursuing a long-term relationship or even marriage, in a girl who, especially in these modern times, is only concerned with posting crap on Facebook, listening to very dubious pop, tapping on their smartphones, gossiping about the latest celebs and drooling over a few pointless fashion items, and perhaps passing some school exams on the side? What cultural, intellectual affinities, what common horizons and plans could a 36 years old like me share with a 15 or 16 years old? Granted, physical attraction could be a significant factor for some (although I am not at all a fan of child-like beauty, I like 'em curvy and well developed). In short: I personally find it very difficult for a healthy adult male to find reasons to pursue a teenager other than a predilection for young bodies and young minds, probably out the idea that a younger girl would be far easier to dominate and shape to one's own will, or perhaps some nostalgia about the traditional girls of 2 or 3 generations ago, who unfortunately have ceased to exist for good. And I'm deliberately omitting the other obvious, much less charitable reason.
Your description of modern teens is funny but sad...and keep in mind there are many exceptions.I have a not yet 13-year-old daughter from my first marriage. She is growing into a quite attractive girl, no attitude, no interest in celebrities, minor interest in Facebook, and very little interest in pop culture.
She tests at the college freshman level for reading skills and comprehension. Her computer skills are advanced adult- she sets up her own servers and does the admin work on them herself..is very interested in Science and languages, and has old fashioned common sense by the boatload. She does not need to be "taken in hand" but at the same time is very suspicious of anything feminist.
Might she be interested in marriage by age 18? Maybe- we have talked about it.
How did this happen you might ask? Not a single day in US public schools, the cone-head factory.and I have always encouraged her to be an independent thinker. We have a roaring email and chat interchange and she is joining me here in the Philippines this coming year for a while. She and my new wife adore each other...
Overall, her experience in life and the kind of young woman she is growing into bear no resemble to anything discussed on this forum.
One of her biggest wishes this coming year when I am back in the states (To bring her back with me) is that I will put her through a good combat firearms training regimen. to whatever degree she can handle.
It IS possible to be different, and girls can still grow up the way she is now.
I am in awe. Did you raise her yourself? I can interpret your "not a single day in US public school" as her either going to a private school, or being homeschooled. Which one is it? See what I mean, when I say there are indeed examples of nice, serious, decent and balanced women, or women-in-the-making?
Raised by myself and my ex...more than half of her time has been with me and since she gets such compliments, which my ex finds flattering, she pretty well sticks to the routine I insist on. The last two years has been busy so she has been more with my ex, but now she is coming to spend time in the Philippines again.
She has been mostly home schooled and now she is deciding if she wants to spend time in a private school for high school or continue with home schooling. Most likely she will opt for home schooling as she can zoom and will likely graduate from high school by the time she is 16. She then wants to spend a year traveling with me.
Outwest
Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:46 am
publicduende
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 1116
Location: London, UK
OutWest wrote:
Raised by myself and my ex...more than half of her time has been with me and since she gets such compliments, which my ex finds flattering, she pretty well sticks to the routine I insist on. The last two years has been busy so she has been more with my ex, but now she is coming to spend time in the Philippines again.
She has been mostly home schooled and now she is deciding if she wants to spend time in a private school for high school or continue with home schooling. Most likely she will opt for home schooling as she can zoom and will likely graduate from high school by the time she is 16. She then wants to spend a year traveling with me.
Outwest
Beautiful. I'm truly happy for you. You know I see you as one of the best and wisest people in here, and I'm not surprised your daughter is being raised well, with all the good values, and will surely grow up to be somebody with a great deal of intellectual independence, balance and self-respect (which, contrary to what some here think, do not equate to feminism). She may well be from a divorced couple, yet I feel her current personality is the reflection of lots of hard work done when she was a child and you were still together. Then of course, I can assume, you didn't go through a nasty divorce process, your ex-wife definitely cares about her as much as you do and is not using your daughter as ammunition to make claims on herself.
Mate, I found this story refreshing. Not to lie some more cheese in here, but I should truly thank you for representing an island of sanity in this batter place.
Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:49 am
OutWest
Joined: 19 Mar 2011
Posts: 769
Location: Asia/USA
publicduende wrote:
OutWest wrote:
Raised by myself and my ex...more than half of her time has been with me and since she gets such compliments, which my ex finds flattering, she pretty well sticks to the routine I insist on. The last two years has been busy so she has been more with my ex, but now she is coming to spend time in the Philippines again.
She has been mostly home schooled and now she is deciding if she wants to spend time in a private school for high school or continue with home schooling. Most likely she will opt for home schooling as she can zoom and will likely graduate from high school by the time she is 16. She then wants to spend a year traveling with me.
Outwest
Beautiful. I'm truly happy for you. You know I see you as one of the best and wisest people in here, and I'm not surprised your daughter is being raised well, with all the good values, and will surely grow up to be somebody with a great deal of intellectual independence, balance and self-respect (which, contrary to what some here think, do not equate to feminism). She may well be from a divorced couple, yet I feel her current personality is the reflection of lots of hard work done when she was a child and you were still together. Then of course, I can assume, you didn't go through a nasty divorce process, your ex-wife definitely cares about her as much as you do and is not using your daughter as ammunition to make claims on herself.
Mate, I found this story refreshing. Not to lie some more cheese in here, but I should truly thank you for representing an island of sanity in this batter place.
"Mothers have children....children have fathers."
Thank you for the kind words...While my daughter is a pretty exceptional girl- what I really see as unusual in a negative way is the degree to which the American public has accepted public education and culture as a deliberate retardation imposed on their children.
Public education = soul death for most children....
outwest
Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:08 am
zacb
Joined: 21 Jun 2012
Posts: 809
Location: Michigan
I saw this in my peers when I was homeschooled. It seems like Night of the Living Dead or something. I seriously doubt I would be as open and knowledgable if I was in public education. I kind of laugh at this one poster, " (Where I live) Public Schools , the Best Option!". I thought about that for a sec. Who the heck is competing with them? There is one charter school, but it is kind of preppy, and Ithink it is part of this district anyways. And then there is a small Methodist school, but it is kind of insignificant. So it seems to me that the only other option would be homeschooling. Maybe I am just a conspiracy theorist. Lol
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Homeschooling is illegal in Italy and, as far as I know, in the UK as well. In Italy, all children from 6 to 14 must to go through a 5 year primary school plus 3 year junior high school cycle. Any combination of public and private schools is fine, as long as a child has 8 years of compulsory education at one or more licensed institutions.
I still remember my childhood school years very fondly. Italian public school has long been one of the few solid pillars of democracy. All public schools are usually underfunded, with a pretty random mix of excellent, good and mediocre teachers because headmasters don't decide which teachers will move to his schools, a separate public institution does. Yet, the good thing is that a child from the poorest family in town will share classes with a doctor's, lawyer's and enterpreneur's son, and all are taught, evaluated and graded the same way. Also, public schools in Italy are virtually free, the only costs being that of books and stationery. It is, or at least used to be, a great place to socialise and find long-lasting friendships, as classes are fixed and teachers visit us for the lecture, so you will be sharing 5 or 6 hours a day with the same kids for 5 and 3 years in a row. It's exactly the same in high school, which lasts 4 or 5 years.
So how does homeschooling work in the US? A child is withdrawn, or never sent to school, and their education becomes entirely their parents' responsibility? Or families can choose private tutors who will visit at their places and give tuitions? Isn't there some sort of state curriculum that needs be followed? I assume the child will have to sit the same kind of public exam at the end of each cycle whether they're homeschooled or not?
To reconnect somewhat to the original topic, how does homeschooling improve a child's chances to grow up smarter, wiser and more ambitious? I assume one positive is that a homeschooled child is not exposed to the chance of being bullied by peers or humiliated by teachers. Wouldn't that also backfire in the sense that the same child loses the chance to interact with their age group and stunts the development of those precious social skills they will need later in life?
Outwest et al. if you have some time, feel free to elaborate. I'm definitely interested.
Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:19 am
publicduende
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 1116
Location: London, UK
OutWest wrote:
"Mothers have children....children have fathers."
Thank you for the kind words...While my daughter is a pretty exceptional girl- what I really see as unusual in a negative way is the degree to which the American public has accepted public education and culture as a deliberate retardation imposed on their children.
Public education = soul death for most children....
outwest
It's very sad to hear that public education in the US has become pointless to the extent that children learn more and grow more self-confident when not interacting with their peers. I remember bullying was part of every child's life in my school years too, yet no parent in their right mind would think of sending their son to another school, or withdraw him from schooling. I started primary school at 5 (instead of 6) and started junior high school at 10 (instead of 11), so I was smaller and more fragile than many of my classmates. My first year was a bit rough and tough, as a few of the smaller boys including myself were regularly pushed, shouted at. There were a couple of occasions where I would go back home with ripped clothes, or broken books. Luckily, it only lasted a few months, as I managed to find a way to stop being picked on and be respected: ridicule the usual culprits by saying something ironic against them in front of everyone. After a few good ones of these remarks and the entire classroom bursting into laughter (sometimes even the teacher), they stopped picking on me.
From what I hear, bullying has become more of a problem in recent years, in Italy as well. I have a few younger cousins, the eldest being 24 and the youngest 19, and never heard any episode of bullying against them. They're all nice, smart and confident young men and women. All of them went to public schools and all but one are going to public university.
Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:34 am
OutWest
Joined: 19 Mar 2011
Posts: 769
Location: Asia/USA
publicduende wrote:
Homeschooling is illegal in Italy and, as far as I know, in the UK as well. In Italy, all children from 6 to 14 must to go through a 5 year primary school plus 3 year junior high school cycle. Any combination of public and private schools is fine, as long as a child has 8 years of compulsory education at one or more licensed institutions.
I still remember my childhood school years very fondly. Italian public school has long been one of the few solid pillars of democracy. All public schools are usually underfunded, with a pretty random mix of excellent, good and mediocre teachers because headmasters don't decide which teachers will move to his schools, a separate public institution does. Yet, the good thing is that a child from the poorest family in town will share classes with a doctor's, lawyer's and enterpreneur's son, and all are taught, evaluated and graded the same way. Also, public schools in Italy are virtually free, the only costs being that of books and stationery. It is, or at least used to be, a great place to socialise and find long-lasting friendships, as classes are fixed and teachers visit us for the lecture, so you will be sharing 5 or 6 hours a day with the same kids for 5 and 3 years in a row. It's exactly the same in high school, which lasts 4 or 5 years.
So how does homeschooling work in the US? A child is withdrawn, or never sent to school, and their education becomes entirely their parents' responsibility? Or families can choose private tutors who will visit at their places and give tuitions? Isn't there some sort of state curriculum that needs be followed? I assume the child will have to sit the same kind of public exam at the end of each cycle whether they're homeschooled or not?
To reconnect somewhat to the original topic, how does homeschooling improve a child's chances to grow up smarter, wiser and more ambitious? I assume one positive is that a homeschooled child is not exposed to the chance of being bullied by peers or humiliated by teachers. Wouldn't that also backfire in the sense that the same child loses the chance to interact with their age group and stunts the development of those precious social skills they will need later in life?
Outwest et al. if you have some time, feel free to elaborate. I'm definitely interested.
Home schooling is certainly not for everyone. However, the cautions you note are in fact repeats of what the party line is about public education, especially in the US. Done right, home school produces a child who is BETTER adjusted socially by far. how natural is it for a person to be cloistered with 25 exact same age "peers"? This is a very useful tool for industrial model education, allowing peer enforcement of state propaganda. By the way, in home school states like Arizona and many others, there are extensive home school organizations that have all kinds of joint fun activities- far more than you are likely to use.
The most common compliment I get with my daughter is how naturally sociable she is. She has no idea of a "generation gap" (A synthetic invention) and can easily talk to anyone, age 6 to 60. She has an incredible sense of independence and autonomy, which is very unlikely to happen in public schools - at least in the USA.
Done right, the home school student ends up with SUPERIOR social skills - my daughter certainly has. I consider the home school option to be an essential political freedom and a country that does not allow it is poorer for it.
Yes, there are some standards tests that need to be used, especially once the student is in high school. Home school students consistently score in the upper percentiles on average, and in fact, home schoolers are now actively recruited by some of the top universities in the US.
I will gladly answer an other questions you might have.
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