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Re: Why would anyone want to be a doctor or nurse? Too much overtime and schooling required.

Post by HouseMD » December 10th, 2017, 3:41 pm

Winston wrote:
December 9th, 2017, 12:43 am
@HouseMD,
I told dianne to tell her sister that if she is going to work in america, that its better to be a pharmacist than a nurse. Because a pharmacist has a high salary with shorter working hours and less schooling is required to get licensed as well. My dentist would always recommend it as the best medical occupation with the best pay and least investment.

So it was obviously true before. But is it still true today still? If so why doesnt everyone study to be a pharmacist rather than a doctor or nurse, if the hours are shorter and less education is required yet the pay is just as high?
Pharmacy is currently an oversaturated field. There are far too many graduates entering the market and wages are rapidly declining. It's easy to outearn a new pharmacist as a nurse these days, and nursing is more fulfilling work with a lot of upward mobility into management and nurse practitioner areas that can far outearn pharmacy graduates. I would highly recommend nursing as a career, or being a physician assistant, but pharmacy has been career suicide for at least the past five years or so.
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Re: Why would anyone want to be a doctor/nurse? Many negativ

Post by HouseMD » December 10th, 2017, 3:44 pm

Master wrote:
September 28th, 2017, 7:56 am
why would you want to become a doctor?
To f**k nurses of course.
Oh god no. That's how you end up fired or paying child support. Much easier to find a good looking doctor to date, as there are way too many women in the field that have basically priced themselves out of the dating market because women like to date men that earn more than them but very few men meet that criteria once you're a physician.
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Re: Why would anyone want to be a doctor or nurse? Too much overtime and schooling required.

Post by MrMan » December 10th, 2017, 6:13 pm

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What do ou mean by claims work?

How well are regular medical doctors trained in reading research to find out if certain treatments are effective. Do they teach you how to read stats in medical school, or do the researchers have PhDs? Do you normally just read abstracts of the papers?
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Re: Why would anyone want to be a doctor or nurse? Too much overtime and schooling required.

Post by HouseMD » December 10th, 2017, 6:22 pm

MrMan wrote:
December 10th, 2017, 6:13 pm
HouseMD

What do ou mean by claims work?

How well are regular medical doctors trained in reading research to find out if certain treatments are effective. Do they teach you how to read stats in medical school, or do the researchers have PhDs? Do you normally just read abstracts of the papers?
About 10% of the boards is biostatistics and epidemiology, so it's about a tenth of our training. Research is a blend of MDs, PhDs, and MD/PhDs. Claims work is basically analyzing insurance claims to make sure they are legit and proper medical procedures have been followed.
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Re: Why would anyone want to be a doctor or nurse? Too much overtime and schooling required.

Post by S_Parc » December 12th, 2017, 1:15 am

Here's the scoop, if you take the MCAT and can score over a 30 (my prior practice score was a 34), you should opt for medical school, somewhere in America.

Unlike most other technical fields, a doctor has a guaranteed a job. There are currently, many science and engineering grads who are underemployed, across the board.
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Re: Why would anyone want to be a doctor or nurse? Too much overtime and schooling required.

Post by Cornfed » December 12th, 2017, 2:01 am

S_Parc wrote:
December 12th, 2017, 1:15 am
Here's the scoop, if you take the MCAT and can score over a 30 (my prior practice score was a 34), you should opt for medical school, somewhere in America.

Unlike most other technical fields, a doctor has a guaranteed a job.
Is that even true now? I remember reading about unemployed doctors in parts of China and America.
There are currently, many science and engineering grads who are underemployed, across the board.
Yes, to a large extent science and engineering isn't.
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Re: Why would anyone want to be a doctor or nurse? Too much overtime and schooling required.

Post by MrMan » December 12th, 2017, 3:19 am

S_Parc wrote:
December 12th, 2017, 1:15 am
Here's the scoop, if you take the MCAT and can score over a 30 (my prior practice score was a 34), you should opt for medical school, somewhere in America.

Unlike most other technical fields, a doctor has a guaranteed a job. There are currently, many science and engineering grads who are underemployed, across the board.
You could also say if you have a certain scores on certain tests that you should get an MBA and a PhD in Accounting. An accounting professor told me his grads, from a middle-level state research 1 university, had five jobs waiting for them when they graduated. There is an undersupply of accounting faculty. I think something is similar for Finance PhD's, but I'm not sure about that. I hear there are too many PhD's. If you go to a really top school, you are on the top of the heap for jobs, especially if you've published.

Getting a PhD in Accounting doesn't require chopping up corpses. There are sleepless nights in grad school working on reading and writing the papers for the seminars and the dissertation. The first year of the job might be extremely demanding, but it probably isn't as stressful or as intense as residency and at that stage, accounting faculty if they get an assistant professor gig may make 80% of what a resident makes. Going forward, they may make as much as surgeons, even more, if they go to fairly highly ranked schools and publish, though the average salary of the PhD is less than the average MD.

But the thing is, most people are not cut out to get PhDs in accounting. You have to have a passion for it. Maybe I could have done that, but I didn't have the inclination. It's the same thing with being an MD. Not everyone is cut out for it. And not everyone is ready to make the sacrifice.

I met a woman who was on some kind of single mother scholarship at a large state university. The state was paying for single moms to go to school. She had two kids. I think they were five-year-old fraternal twins. She was wanting to go to med school and become a doctor. I was in another grad school program at that time, and I told her it was hard to have enough time to spend with the kids, and med school and residency was probably worse for time. I'd go to bed at 1 AM some nights and get out of the door by about 6:15 or so to get to class. It was rough, with study and projects all the time. It was a highly ranked program. If you go somewhere more lowly ranked and less competitive, maybe it would be easier. But I don't think there are any easy med school programs that prep you for the tests and for a job.
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