I've been meaning to post about this for a while now, so here goes.

The fact is, EU countries are actually developed, while the US is not - and Canada is little better. EU citizens have numerous benefits that simply don't exist here - a full-fledged public healthcare system, for instance, as opposed to even Canada's sad excuse for one, a high-quality education system, something that simply doesn't exist in NA, and government support during economic downturns - which is all but absent in NA (Canada's welfare system is even more of a sad joke than the healthcare system).

But that's not all. The other thing is, living in the EU as a citizen allows you to freely live and work in all of 27 countries - something unheard of elsewhere in the world. This is the ultimate recession proofing - even if your government doesn't provide enough unemployment benefits for you to live well - and as I just mentioned, most in fact do - you can just go elsewhere.

But there's more - the women! It's easier to get girls anywhere in the EU than anywhere in NA, of course, but the previously-mentioned freedom of mobility allows you to go to the poorer countries of the EU for even greater choice. Plus, the non-EU countries of Europe are right next door, and almost all are visa-free for EU citizens!

And of course, there are many other societal issues that the EU is dealing with far better than NA. Bottom line: EU rocks, NA sucks.

I would caution against being too optimistic about "It's easier to get girls anywhere in the EU ". That is a naive statement.

It's very hard to get girls in the Romance countries (Spain/France/Italy). They are cliquish and highly conservative. Also, in Germany and Holland, there are well-known shortages of women just like in North America. Germany, in particular, is known for fat women.

Someone wrote:

I would caution against being too optimistic about "It's easier to get girls anywhere in the EU ". That is a naive statement.

It's very hard to get girls in the Romance countries (Spain/France/Italy). They are cliquish and highly conservative. Also, in Germany and Holland, there are well-known shortages of women just like in North America. Germany, in particular, is known for fat women.

You conveniently removed the second part of my sentence - I was only comparing the EU to NA.

I have to agree with Someone. Although German women are not too hard to get, they usually are not the most interesting and they usually do not age well. Also, with the benefits it varies with high taxes and it depends what ethnic group you are in a certain country. However, most European countries as in EU countries have at least 20 days of vacation, general Health/Dental care, sick leave not allocated with your vacation as in America.

Romance country women are cliquish but at least you can meet good friends in those countries. Still do not always believe the grass is always greener which is what someone is talking about. America is definitely not the ideal place to live (also America-lite Canada) but many EU countries have problems too.

Europe by far--no question! Although, I would avoid the Anglocized European countries like England and Ireland, and the northern European countries; they're too feminist for my tastes. Germany is pretty good. I prefer the Eastern European countries much more so than Western Europe; people are a bit too snobby in Western Europe for my tastes...

Although I don't approve of what he does, Roosh V (the PUA) has been travelling in Europe and his report is that the same things plaguing the West have now come to Eastern Europe as well -- obesity, first and foremost, but also "game" and desperation among men. I think globalization has affected the world to a much greater extent than many people realize. Chances are your experience even somewhere like Latvia in 2012 will be quite similar to North America. Of course, there are differences, but fewer than before.

A lot of Euro girls these days are fat too, everyone's eating American fast food, and everyone's snapping pictures in clubs with their iPhones and iPads.

P.S.: I recently checked a dating site in Moscow where, some years ago, the ratio was 4 F : 1 M. These days, the ratio is 1 F : 2 M. And some of my friends stationed in Moscow report that Russian guys are horny and that clubs become sausage fests toward the end of the night just like in America. I'm not saying it's as bad as in the US, but it's not necessarily paradise, either.



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Someone wrote:

Although I don't approve of what he does, Roosh V (the PUA) has been travelling in Europe and his report is that the same things plaguing the West have now come to Eastern Europe as well -- obesity, first and foremost, but also "game" and desperation among men. I think globalization has affected the world to a much greater extent than many people realize. Chances are your experience even somewhere like Latvia in 2012 will be quite similar to North America. Of course, there are differences, but fewer than before.

A lot of Euro girls these days are fat too, everyone's eating American fast food, and everyone's snapping pictures in clubs with their iPhones and iPads.

This is happening worldwide, not just in Europe. You need to remember, though, that everything is relative.

I recall there was an American guy on this forum, 25, who was going to travel to Ukraine. He used to post here. Does anyone know what his experience was? Did he ever share how he liked it over there?

His name was "GuitarGuy996", he posted how excited he was about his trip:

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13152&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Do we know the results of that trip?

theyoungagegroup wrote:

I've been meaning to post about this for a while now, so here goes.

The fact is, EU countries are actually developed, while the US is not - and Canada is little better. EU citizens have numerous benefits that simply don't exist here - a full-fledged public healthcare system, for instance, as opposed to even Canada's sad excuse for one, a high-quality education system, something that simply doesn't exist in NA, and government support during economic downturns - which is all but absent in NA (Canada's welfare system is even more of a sad joke than the healthcare system).

But that's not all. The other thing is, living in the EU as a citizen allows you to freely live and work in all of 27 countries - something unheard of elsewhere in the world. This is the ultimate recession proofing - even if your government doesn't provide enough unemployment benefits for you to live well - and as I just mentioned, most in fact do - you can just go elsewhere.

But there's more - the women! It's easier to get girls anywhere in the EU than anywhere in NA, of course, but the previously-mentioned freedom of mobility allows you to go to the poorer countries of the EU for even greater choice. Plus, the non-EU countries of Europe are right next door, and almost all are visa-free for EU citizens!

And of course, there are many other societal issues that the EU is dealing with far better than NA. Bottom line: EU rocks, NA sucks.

So long as they can pay for it, the social model in W Europe offers cradle to the grave quality of life. The problem however is that the model is unsustainable, and is collapsing as we speak. Cushy government benefits are a poor reason to like Europe I think. There are plenty of other things that can make Europe stand out. The Euro-zone is coming apart and the social contract that came with it is headed for the dumper. (= riots when there is no more or just too little free stuff.) Combine that with the demographic implosion and Europe's future does not look so bright unless you are looking for a job as an imam.


Outwest

OutWest wrote:

theyoungagegroup wrote:

I've been meaning to post about this for a while now, so here goes.

The fact is, EU countries are actually developed, while the US is not - and Canada is little better. EU citizens have numerous benefits that simply don't exist here - a full-fledged public healthcare system, for instance, as opposed to even Canada's sad excuse for one, a high-quality education system, something that simply doesn't exist in NA, and government support during economic downturns - which is all but absent in NA (Canada's welfare system is even more of a sad joke than the healthcare system).

But that's not all. The other thing is, living in the EU as a citizen allows you to freely live and work in all of 27 countries - something unheard of elsewhere in the world. This is the ultimate recession proofing - even if your government doesn't provide enough unemployment benefits for you to live well - and as I just mentioned, most in fact do - you can just go elsewhere.

But there's more - the women! It's easier to get girls anywhere in the EU than anywhere in NA, of course, but the previously-mentioned freedom of mobility allows you to go to the poorer countries of the EU for even greater choice. Plus, the non-EU countries of Europe are right next door, and almost all are visa-free for EU citizens!

And of course, there are many other societal issues that the EU is dealing with far better than NA. Bottom line: EU rocks, NA sucks.

So long as they can pay for it, the social model in W Europe offers cradle to the grave quality of life. The problem however is that the model is unsustainable, and is collapsing as we speak. Cushy government benefits are a poor reason to like Europe I think. There are plenty of other things that can make Europe stand out. The Euro-zone is coming apart and the social contract that came with it is headed for the dumper. (= riots when there is no more or just too little free stuff.) Combine that with the demographic implosion and Europe's future does not look so bright unless you are looking for a job as an imam.


Outwest

Actually, it's the US and its tremendous debt and associated military-industrial complex that are unsustainable (and not just financially but also, for example, environmentally). The EU is actually quite financially sound in comparison for the simple reason that it still produces stuff, unlike the US.

Hey, Guitarguy here. I've been lurking and haven't posted in a few weeks.

Sadly, I will not be able to visit the Ukraine due to financial issues and had to change my trip from Delhi to Kiev into Delhi to JFK. However, I have had many enlightening experiences here in India and am going to write a full report on this in the coming days.

Needless to say, i'm very disappointed I will not be able to go to Kiev now, however it has given me fuller incentive to working at my online business and gaining the financial freedom to travel permanently.

I don't want to return to America. As many have stated, western materialism/feminism is starting to effect the world in small degrees, even here in India. But NOTHING is like the U.S. I just revived my facebook account (for better or worse), and within hours get to see that my wonderful "friends" in the US are up to, and what I'll be returning to.

I will elaborate more soon. But for everyone's health, happiness, and well being, I would suggest they take a trip outside the Anglospere ASAP and get a taste of a better (yet not perfect) world.

Someone wrote:

I would caution against being too optimistic about "It's easier to get girls anywhere in the EU ". That is a naive statement.

It's very hard to get girls in the Romance countries (Spain/France/Italy). They are cliquish and highly conservative. Also, in Germany and Holland, there are well-known shortages of women just like in North America. Germany, in particular, is known for fat women.

While it is true that Spain, France, and Italy are the worst places in Europe to get girls, I disagree with you about Germany. I haven't yet come across a fat German woman, perhaps they exist, but they are pretty rare. In fact hardly any European women are overweight, its just women in the UK. Switzerland is supposed to have the highest number of slim girls in the developed world. This is probably because they are quite active outdoors, as they are known for their alps and nature. They also tend to eat more healthy foods.

I haven't heard about there being a shortage of women in Germany, but I can tell you that German men RARELY approach women. So even if this shortage is true, women are still easier to get in Germany because there isn't nearly as much competition. In fact, just about every German girl i've spoken to has been single for around 3 years! These are very attractive women too - in the US they would probably only be single for a few days before another offer comes along!

Why not go to the EU for at least 3 months and see it's charms for yourself - it's coming into summer so plan your trip now.
You will see simple statements like "the US sucks and EU rocks aren't true" - e.g. can you speak Czech or Hungarian languages? The girls won't meet you unless you can communicate.


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OzGuy wrote:

While it is true that Spain, France, and Italy are the worst places in Europe to get girls, I disagree with you about Germany. I haven't yet come across a fat German woman, perhaps they exist, but they are pretty rare. In fact hardly any European women are overweight, its just women in the UK. Switzerland is supposed to have the highest number of slim girls in the developed world. This is probably because they are quite active outdoors, as they are known for their alps and nature. They also tend to eat more healthy foods.

I haven't heard about there being a shortage of women in Germany, but I can tell you that German men RARELY approach women. So even if this shortage is true, women are still easier to get in Germany because there isn't nearly as much competition. In fact, just about every German girl i've spoken to has been single for around 3 years! These are very attractive women too - in the US they would probably only be single for a few days before another offer comes along!

I read an article last month that said in Berlin, single women outnumber single men. Also, I read that in germany only 15% of the adult population is overweight. Compare this to the US, where 50% of adults are overweight.

Also, like OzGuy said, men in germany DO NOT approach women. The men are very passive, which is great, it means there will be more women available in germany than in anglo-nations, where the men are very aggressive in asking out women. In the US for example, the average woman gets asked out hundreds of times a year, even if she is just average looking!


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theyoungagegroup,
wow...your comments are so naive. It is easy to see you were born when you were born and have not done your research as to what the EU really is.

The EU is an evolving totalitarian police state.

Walk down any high street in the UK and you will see heavily armed police and CCTV. You can not MOVE in the UK without beving video recorded. In London it is totally off the charts.

The police state is being introduced under the guise of "economic integration" and "economic benefits". Well ask the PIGS countries about all that "economic benefit".

Maybe you should read up on what the EU is REALLY about before saying EU Rocks, eh?

Right NOW germany is the best place to live and will be for some time to come...maybe years.....but if men like me are not successful in stopping the plans of those who wish to bring down the curtain on western civilisation the EU will not be the place to live for too long.


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