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Post by publicduende » January 25th, 2013, 11:55 am

S_Parc wrote:I'd sent this as a PM, to someone on this forum.

The movie, "American Beauty" is an omen, it almost predicts the life of anywhere from 50 to 75% of men in this country.

In reality, Kevin Spacey's character had no way out. In America, if he pursued Mena Suvari's adolescent character, he's both a pedophile & a pervert. Next, his wife had decided that his rebellion (awakening, if you want to call it) had gone far enough, and was ready to kill him. In fact, the ex-marine saved her from facing the DA's office for 1st or 2nd degree murder.

When I'd seen that movie, I knew in my heart, that marriage and a happy family life in America was over. What Spacey did, upon the moment of his death, was justify a series of life decisions [ the life he'd created w/ Benning & Birch ], because for a brief instant, he'd believed that any appreciation, even if those things were destroying him on the inside, was the essence (call it the *beauty*) of his life. Well, in my opinion, it was his life ... a life wasted.

A decade later, folks at Happier Abroad, are now addressing those decisions and seeing that making one decision, not dating Annette Benning [ the AW], not accepting conformity, may help avoid one's death [ not just physical, but emotional & psychological ] . I'd started on that path, not too long after "American Beauty".
I agree with you about American Beauty being one of the most powerful movies to come out of a Hollywood major, ever. Like all great works of art, it hit me on many different levels. It still ranks as one of my favourite movies, and its soundtrack is a recurring guest in my Spotify playlist.

When it came out, most people here in the UK were too busy celebrating its British director Sam Mendes, which rendered the screenplay to aesthetic perfection, to notice that the writing was an all American affair (by Alan Ball). I think you must have been born within those leafy suburbs, those manicured fenced gardens, behind those closed pastel pink curtains, those SUVs silently hovering through large driveways and bound to the city to feel, let alone recount, the devastating emptiness that can harbour behind the average suburbian upper middle class family.

For light-hearted and satyrical it was, American Beauty was quite a powerful bridge for us Europeans to understand the kinds of dysfunctions that lead seemingly perfect American families to rot from the inside and implode like an empty shell at no prior notice. I like to think that, at their most extreme, these are the Adam Lanza's kinds of families, who invite guests for rounds of card games and cupcakes while the monster hides in the basement. Until it's too late, and the monster's out with a couple of semi-autos and 20-plus children lay dead.

To be fair, we have our own European Beauty too. Europe is a large federation of countries and cultures, and we have plenty of communities where material success and total conformism are the only socially permissible forms of human conduct. The price to pay is always loneliness and a growing disconnect from those vitalistic elements of our conscience that scream to be heard, if only for a few short days in our lives. We have those kinds of suburbs in countless areas of Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, a few Scandinavian countries too. Again, heaven only knows what happens behind those colourful front gardens and those thick curtains. All the scandals that probably made waves in the US, like that Austrian old man who had imprisoned her daughter in the basement and forced her to a life of sexual abuse and incestuous breeding, were ultimately oozing through the pores of that middle/upper middle class skin.

All this said, it's still a bit dangerous to generalise. American Beauty has enough evocative power to make the Burnham family a universal icon of what's wrong in suburban America, yet I don't believe the reality is that tragical. If anything, Sam Mendes was careful enough to give all characters' epiphanies a surreal, grotesque, at time comedic flavour. It's satyre at its best, and satyre always likes to distort and exaggerate.

I see American Beauty as a wake up call on what can, and will happen to a family when its member choose to stop communicating, when parents stop listening to the sound of their children growing and facing their age-specific issues, when an Italian silk upholstered sofa takes priority over the asses who sit on it. It's a warning shot, and a great one at that, yet warning shots are not meant to kill.

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Post by S_Parc » January 25th, 2013, 4:11 pm

publicduende wrote:All this said, it's still a bit dangerous to generalise. American Beauty has enough evocative power to make the Burnham family a universal icon of what's wrong in suburban America, yet I don't believe the reality is that tragical. If anything, Sam Mendes was careful enough to give all characters' epiphanies a surreal, grotesque, at time comedic flavour. It's satyre at its best, and satyre always likes to distort and exaggerate.

I see American Beauty as a wake up call on what can, and will happen to a family when its member choose to stop communicating, when parents stop listening to the sound of their children growing and facing their age-specific issues, when an Italian silk upholstered sofa takes priority over the asses who sit on it. It's a warning shot, and a great one at that, yet warning shots are not meant to kill.
Ok, I'm going to bite on this one. Yes, "American Beauty" was a satirical black comedy and such, uses imagery, metaphors, and over-the-top theatrics to convey its message about the American family, esp in the suburban sprawl. Likewise, around the same time, "American Psycho" did the same thing for the vacuous culture of Wall St and how a raving psychotic could live among the proper banking elites w/o detection. Strangely enough, after seeing "American Psycho", I'd also felt that a major crisis was going to happen, as a result of this type of amoral, disconnected, *psychotic-leaning* culture of the Street. Well, then came 2008; AP proved to be a prophetic, if you really read between the lines, despite it being a lyrical black comedy.

I'd brought this up in a PM but I believe "American Beauty", despite its overall sense of theatre, has much more to say about our society then we care to admit. In many ways, like "American Psycho", it's a distorted mirror of its topic matter. From my own life, I can see that my dad's a blend of the ex-marine & Annette Bening, a mix of unrelenting power/control & vanity/narcissism. My sister was his female counterpart, the Femi-Nazi histrionic personality disorder but with no academic nor vocational know-how to back it up. My mom was more like Thora Birch, feeling hapless & unable to free herself from the chaos that my father and sister would create around her, a depressed person. I was definitely the [ science/engineering version of ] Wes Bentley & I was out the door at 17, just like him in the movie. And if my dad were gay, like our marine friend, I'd be proud of him because at least I'd understand that he was living in a closet. Instead, he's both straight and a difficult person to deal with at all times. Thus, in the 14 years since AB was released, I'm seeing more and more dysfunctional households arise over time. Like "American Psycho", it also foreshadows its topic matter, the gradual fall and decline of the American dream but with its focus being the family of the suburbs.
Many years ago, the Best Picture of 1999, "American Beauty", telegraphed the message of Happier Abroad to the world.

Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.

AB discussion thread

BTW, despite settling down with an AW, myself, the warning is still in effect.

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Post by publicduende » January 25th, 2013, 5:06 pm

S_Parc wrote:
publicduende wrote:All this said, it's still a bit dangerous to generalise. American Beauty has enough evocative power to make the Burnham family a universal icon of what's wrong in suburban America, yet I don't believe the reality is that tragical. If anything, Sam Mendes was careful enough to give all characters' epiphanies a surreal, grotesque, at time comedic flavour. It's satyre at its best, and satyre always likes to distort and exaggerate.

I see American Beauty as a wake up call on what can, and will happen to a family when its member choose to stop communicating, when parents stop listening to the sound of their children growing and facing their age-specific issues, when an Italian silk upholstered sofa takes priority over the asses who sit on it. It's a warning shot, and a great one at that, yet warning shots are not meant to kill.
Ok, I'm going to bite on this one. Yes, "American Beauty" was a satirical black comedy and such, uses imagery, metaphors, and over-the-top theatrics to convey its message about the American family, esp in the suburban sprawl. Likewise, around the same time, "American Psycho" did the same thing for the vacuous culture of Wall St and how a raving psychotic could live among the proper banking elites w/o detection. Strangely enough, after seeing "American Psycho", I'd also felt that a major crisis was going to happen, as a result of this type of amoral, disconnected, *psychotic-leaning* culture of the Street. Well, then came 2008; AP proved to be a prophetic, if you really read between the lines, despite it being a lyrical black comedy.

I'd brought this up in a PM but I believe "American Beauty", despite its overall sense of theatre, has much more to say about our society then we care to admit. In many ways, like "American Psycho", it's a distorted mirror of its topic matter. From my own life, I can see that my dad's a blend of the ex-marine & Annette Bening, a mix of unrelenting power/control & vanity/narcissism. My sister was his female counterpart, the Femi-Nazi histrionic personality disorder but with no academic nor vocational know-how to back it up. My mom was more like Thora Birch, feeling hapless & unable to free herself from the chaos that my father and sister would create around her, a depressed person. I was definitely the [ science/engineering version of ] Wes Bentley & I was out the door at 17, just like him in the movie. And if my dad were gay, like our marine friend, I'd be proud of him because at least I'd understand that he was living in a closet. Instead, he's both straight and a difficult person to deal with at all times. Thus, in the 14 years since AB was released, I'm seeing more and more dysfunctional households arise over time. Like "American Psycho", it also foreshadows its topic matter, the gradual fall and decline of the American dream but with its focus being the family of the suburbs.
I see where you're coming from. Whatever the power of imagery of AB, I understand those metaphors resonated far deeper and heavier with you because:

1) you're yourself a product of suburban America;
2) you says you had yourself a less than happy family, if not dysfunctional.

Not much you can do about 1) and I am obviously sorry you had to endure your parents' issues without really having any say or any fault. In a way, our family upbringing makes us who we are, in the good and the bad. I like to think that kids who live in dysfunctional families often learn to grown over those problems the hard way, coming out the other side more critical and mature than an otherwise spoiled kid from a picture-perfect family. It's a case of "what doesn't kill you make you stronger", I guess. Bret Easton Ellis was himself from a dysfunctional family, to the point that he makes no secret that the Patrick Bateman character was inspired by traits found in his dad.

That's exactly the beauty of iconic portrays of a segment of society or culture, like American Beauty and American Psycho (and one could put other social commentary movies like American History X, or Crash, in the same camp), they can capture a trend in way that's so sharp and inspiring, they bear predictive power. Nobody can deny the ongoing degeneration of the fabric of our first-world societies. The trend is well underway not only in the US but in the UK and even in Italy (from what I can understand reading the news, as I'm not living there anymore).

Though worrying it is, a trend can be reversed, and even when it cannot, it should always be possible to find pockets of our society where that degradation hasn't assumed tragical proportions...yet. That is again depending on where one lives. I lived all of my childhood and teenage years in the relatively closed-knitted community of a Southern Italian town. If I had been born and brought up in Rome or Milan I would have seen more shit, more spoiled rich kids, more dysfunctional and broken families. I am obviously aware that that reality exist, however by pure luck I didn't experiment it. By experience I can't say the whole of Italy is like that. And by extension, US is an ever bigger country and it should surely be just as hard, if not harder, to generalise and spell doom for oneself and the rest of mankind.

At least in the UK, families that originate from more traditional and "inertial" backgrounds, like India, the Middle East and Asia, usually have better adjusted offspring. Perhaps that's one pocket of salvation. Looking for transient foreign citizens who are in the country to study or work may be another. That's exactly what happened to me with Monica, in Cambridge in 2007. Going abroad to find a more traditional woman is obviously another option.

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Post by S_Parc » January 25th, 2013, 7:22 pm

publicduende wrote: Though worrying it is, a trend can be reversed, and even when it cannot, it should always be possible to find pockets of our society where that degradation hasn't assumed tragical proportions...yet. That is again depending on where one lives. I lived all of my childhood and teenage years in the relatively closed-knitted community of a Southern Italian town. If I had been born and brought up in Rome or Milan I would have seen more shit, more spoiled rich kids, more dysfunctional and broken families. I am obviously aware that that reality exist, however by pure luck I didn't experiment it. By experience I can't say the whole of Italy is like that. And by extension, US is an ever bigger country and it should surely be just as hard, if not harder, to generalise and spell doom for oneself and the rest of mankind.

At least in the UK, families that originate from more traditional and "inertial" backgrounds, like India, the Middle East and Asia, usually have better adjusted offspring. Perhaps that's one pocket of salvation. Looking for transient foreign citizens who are in the country to study or work may be another. That's exactly what happened to me with Monica, in Cambridge in 2007. Going abroad to find a more traditional woman is obviously another option.
I think you've pretty much validated my initial assertions. Remember, Kevin Spacey's character didn't have the foresight to have seen (and discussed) "American Beauty (w/ the HA crowd), before he'd started dating Annette Bening. He's in that world of *hindsight is 20/20*, in the weeks prior to his death. Also, in terms of general demographics, the urban population of Boston & Cambridge cities have stayed constant for decades, however, the greater Boston suburban sprawl has grown from 2M to some 4M residents during my lifetime. In total, my state has only 6M residents, many of whom, live in some sort of suburbia so thus, the pressure to fit in, to conform, etc, has only exasperated over time. Realize, AB is a predictor for 50-75% of American men, some obviously slip through the cracks.

I can't comment for all rural towns in my regions but many of those kids, also aspire to move to the "Big City" for better opportunities. They too, look forward to a life in the suburbs. Small towns seldom sustain themselves, except for tourism or organic farming like up in Vermont. In addition, a lot of kids of Asian [various regions there, as well] backgrounds also have this pressure to fully Americanize. I've known countless kids who've lived a double life... they behave one way in front of their old fashion inertial parents and completely different with their American friends & colleagues. There's also some not observed dysfunctionalty there as well, but because of the *keeping face* routine, a lot of white folks don't know about it. I've known a few Asian kids who'd committed suicide, while I was growing up. In contrast, I'd only met one white kid who did, during that time period. Well, Asians are 10-15% of a suburb, whereas whites make up at least 70% of a typical suburban region.

All and all, there's no bull's eye winning strategy here, other than to be vigilant and to question the assumptions around oneself.
Many years ago, the Best Picture of 1999, "American Beauty", telegraphed the message of Happier Abroad to the world.

Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.

AB discussion thread

BTW, despite settling down with an AW, myself, the warning is still in effect.

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Post by abcdavid01 » January 25th, 2013, 7:29 pm

I was the one that PM was sent to btw. I think my father is very much in the vein of Kevin Spacey in that film, especially recently. These dysfunctions do serve to create Adam Lanzas. I really felt I could relate to Lanza when that happened.

Why weren't there more films like that in the past decade? There were quite a few expressions in a number of different mediums during the Nineties. I would also add Fight Club and grunge music. I postulated that now with social media and serial online dating a lid has been put on the emptiness. People can pretend they have real relationships. Like Schrodinger's Cat they can't tell what's inside the box, but it's still as empty as it was in the Nineties and nothing's really changed. I also predicted that the housing collapse and the Facebook stock debacle may have been watershed moments to turn things around.

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Post by Tsar » January 25th, 2013, 11:15 pm

S_Parc wrote: I'd sent this as a PM, to someone on this forum.

The movie, "American Beauty" is an omen, it almost predicts the life of anywhere from 50 to 75% of men in this country.

In reality, Kevin Spacey's character had no way out. In America, if he pursued Mena Suvari's adolescent character, he's both a pedophile & a pervert.
So abroad outside of the Western feminized World a man that was dating a sixteen or seventeen year old adolescent girl wouldn't be labeled as such and would be acceptable?

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Post by Cornfed » January 25th, 2013, 11:23 pm

Tsar wrote:
S_Parc wrote: I'd sent this as a PM, to someone on this forum.

The movie, "American Beauty" is an omen, it almost predicts the life of anywhere from 50 to 75% of men in this country.

In reality, Kevin Spacey's character had no way out. In America, if he pursued Mena Suvari's adolescent character, he's both a pedophile & a pervert.
So abroad outside of the Western feminized World a man that was dating a sixteen or seventeen year old adolescent girl wouldn't be labeled as such and would be acceptable?
Right. Seventeen year old females are generally fully developed and fecund adult women and are regarded as such in sane societies. It is only in feminist asylums that they are said to be children while at the same time tacitly encouraged to have sex, thereby effectively reserving them for dirtbags.

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Post by Tsar » January 25th, 2013, 11:58 pm

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Tsar wrote:
S_Parc wrote: I'd sent this as a PM, to someone on this forum.

The movie, "American Beauty" is an omen, it almost predicts the life of anywhere from 50 to 75% of men in this country.

In reality, Kevin Spacey's character had no way out. In America, if he pursued Mena Suvari's adolescent character, he's both a pedophile & a pervert.
So abroad outside of the Western feminized World a man that was dating a sixteen or seventeen year old adolescent girl wouldn't be labeled as such and would be acceptable?
Right. Seventeen year old females are generally fully developed and fecund adult women and are regarded as such in sane societies. It is only in feminist asylums that they are said to be children while at the same time tacitly encouraged to have sex, thereby effectively reserving them for dirtbags.
I know what you mean. I always say that sixteen and seventeen year old females are biologically developed and finished with puberty. They are adults and traditionally were married to older men. It was common to for a man in his twenties or early thirties to be dating one, and she would be gaining security, stability, and begin a family. It was also common for that man to be her only boyfriend/husband which made her value him and feel more of a connection to him. It's common psychology and sociology that girls who have only been with one person are more loyal, especially since they are more impressionable when they're around sixteen or seventeen. The more they bond with a man at that age, the more they will want to remain with him and feel they need him. However, most girls in the Western Feminized World have been brainwashed from a young age and exposed to psychologically damaging pop culture that turns them into sluts, so most don't want a real relationship and many don't want what a normal girl should want: stability, security, a nice guy, and the ability to begin a family sooner. Most Western girls want wild, bad boy, gangster, wigger scum and will be used over and over again. It's usually the girls that end relationships and many of those girls give reasons like "He's too nice" or "Not enough excitement" or "I'm getting bored." Relationships can have plenty of excitement if the girl wants them too. What most feminist girls means by "those statement are there isn't too much wildness, craziness, and illicit things going on. If he respects her and there aren't any major fights then he's too nice. If she's getting bored then there isn't enough drama. So even if the Western girls are biologically adults they have been brainwashed too much that they will be psychologically messed up and have the mind of an irresponsible, entitled, and immature child that has no comprehension of consequences with the two differences being: 1. The Western girls will be ruining themselves and their value as women by being sluts, and 2. They will never be able to recover from the psychological damage.

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Post by S_Parc » January 26th, 2013, 12:31 am

Tsar wrote:
S_Parc wrote: I'd sent this as a PM, to someone on this forum.

The movie, "American Beauty" is an omen, it almost predicts the life of anywhere from 50 to 75% of men in this country.

In reality, Kevin Spacey's character had no way out. In America, if he pursued Mena Suvari's adolescent character, he's both a pedophile & a pervert.
So abroad outside of the Western feminized World a man that was dating a sixteen or seventeen year old adolescent girl wouldn't be labeled as such and would be acceptable?
The point was not about the age of consent, or even if he played, let's say a lawyer, and waited till the exact date that she turns 18, in order to avoid the men in blue.

The point was that Lester Burnham was in a no win situation, pretty much from the get-go, because of a pattern, developed over years of being married to an American woman. He was motivated by feelings for Suvari, because for the prior dozen years, he was the living dead and finally, saw a desirable younger woman (in this case, a year or two away from full adulthood), which kicked him out of his stupor.

In reality, abroad, he may have either never fallen into such a sullen state or perhaps, found a woman in her 20s, long before his marriage was completely on the rocks, two decades into the future from his early youth ~1979. If Annette Bening was the same person in let's say Brazil, chances are, Spacey and her would have divorced at the 4 or 7 year mark. Or better yet, they may not have even gotten married to begin with. The dynamics of our society put him in a situation, where he basically had only one out, and that was at the end of a firearm. And no, I don't think AW 20-somethings would want him either, for he's used goods to them, a 40-something w/o a Ferrari. Suvari had emotional issues and thus, wanted to be taken over, by a father-like person. She was also a pretender in high school, BSing everyone in her age bracket.
Many years ago, the Best Picture of 1999, "American Beauty", telegraphed the message of Happier Abroad to the world.

Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.

AB discussion thread

BTW, despite settling down with an AW, myself, the warning is still in effect.

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Post by publicduende » January 26th, 2013, 1:49 am

S_Parc wrote:I think you've pretty much validated my initial assertions. Remember, Kevin Spacey's character didn't have the foresight to have seen (and discussed) "American Beauty (w/ the HA crowd), before he'd started dating Annette Bening. He's in that world of *hindsight is 20/20*, in the weeks prior to his death. Also, in terms of general demographics, the urban population of Boston & Cambridge cities have stayed constant for decades, however, the greater Boston suburban sprawl has grown from 2M to some 4M residents during my lifetime. In total, my state has only 6M residents, many of whom, live in some sort of suburbia so thus, the pressure to fit in, to conform, etc, has only exasperated over time. Realize, AB is a predictor for 50-75% of American men, some obviously slip through the cracks.
Well, if you want to dissect AB, the last scene of Lester dead in his kitchen table talking about his last instants before death, does include a few flashbacks of Lester and his wife being smiling and happy (on a merry go round if I remember well) and his daughter as a child. I guess the last message he gives the audience is not that he should have never married his American wife or should have been happier abroad instead, but that he failed in recovering that old state of grace for himself and his family. His memories flowing away from his body say that they did use to be a happy family, and their happiness was hooked on the simple things of life. This, until materialism, conformism and routine sedimented and forced every family member to lose focus on what matters the most.

I remember seen a very valid documentary about the monumental estate speculation that, starting from the 50's, drove millions of people away from the big US cities and into pristine woodland quickly destroyed and transformed into makeshift communities without history and, clearly, not much of a future. The promise was a slice of the American dream, when in fact the estate lobbies were simply creating a platform for more social exclusion, more alienation, while dramatically changing the nation's fuel consumption footprint due to the massive commuting traffic.
S_Parc wrote:I can't comment for all rural towns in my regions but many of those kids, also aspire to move to the "Big City" for better opportunities. They too, look forward to a life in the suburbs. Small towns seldom sustain themselves, except for tourism or organic farming like up in Vermont. In addition, a lot of kids of Asian [various regions there, as well] backgrounds also have this pressure to fully Americanize. I've known countless kids who've lived a double life... they behave one way in front of their old fashion inertial parents and completely different with their American friends & colleagues. There's also some not observed dysfunctionalty there as well, but because of the *keeping face* routine, a lot of white folks don't know about it. I've known a few Asian kids who'd committed suicide, while I was growing up. In contrast, I'd only met one white kid who did, during that time period. Well, Asians are 10-15% of a suburb, whereas whites make up at least 70% of a typical suburban region.

All and all, there's no bull's eye winning strategy here, other than to be vigilant and to question the assumptions around oneself.
Desire to integrate with the (white Caucasian) majority may be a big source of pressure and frustration for an ethnical minority kid. Yet, that's what I believe at least, if the family upbringing is solid enough, those little issues can be ironed out over the course of the formative years, and later. I agree with Lone Yakuza when he wished Hollywood and the media industry started to offer more and better potraits of positive Asian characters, associating them to qualities usually found in their white American counterparts: loyalty, heroism, adventurous spirit, charisma and good looks... I read the story of Sessue Hayakawa, and he does have a point! Any stereotype of exotic lover was completely erased from the American cinematic imagery after those early hearththrobs. Hayakawa was one, but I could put Rudolph Valentino in the same camp.

I agree with your last statement. The key is to always exercise a great deal of social and cultural critique and discernment.

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Post by S_Parc » January 26th, 2013, 2:24 am

publicduende wrote:Well, if you want to dissect AB, the last scene of Lester dead in his kitchen table talking about his last instants before death, does include a few flashbacks of Lester and his wife being smiling and happy (on a merry go round if I remember well) and his daughter as a child. I guess the last message he gives the audience is not that he should have never married his American wife or should have been happier abroad instead, but that he failed in recovering that old state of grace for himself and his family. His memories flowing away from his body say that they did use to be a happy family, and their happiness was hooked on the simple things of life. This, until materialism, conformism and routine sedimented and forced every family member to lose focus on what matters the most.
My take on the final seconds of Lester's life or perhaps, the Bardo state (Tibetan Book of the Dead) between lives, was a "Citizen Kane" moment where in an instant, a man sees the totality of his existence and chooses beatitude. And yes, at any point in life: good, bad, or ugly, one can have that experience. For a man without much spirituality to lean on, it can be a vision of sleigh riding, *Rosebud*, for Orson Well's character or in Lester's case, the 1st year of his post-honeymoon period where aspirations were high, foresight was limited. I've also had that type of experience, believe it or not, being beaten up by a hostile bigger kid, as a child. I'd never blamed him for that attack but for some mystical reason, we got along afterwards. It was a state of bliss, meshed with physical pain but no mental duress. Perhaps it's a working out of karma or what have you, but the thing is that when you become more conscious, those experiences can find you whenever. Looping back to Lester's story, at that instant, he'd appreciated existence and stopped fighting but then again, it was already over so all he had was that moment, now frozen in time. When you put time back into the picture, it's too little too late.
Many years ago, the Best Picture of 1999, "American Beauty", telegraphed the message of Happier Abroad to the world.

Beware of long term engagements with AWs, you may find yourself in a coffin.

AB discussion thread

BTW, despite settling down with an AW, myself, the warning is still in effect.

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Re: Too much useless hate on western women

Post by MJay1978 » January 27th, 2013, 1:24 am

royalism wrote:I know that many people join this site because they want to find women abroad. Maybe they have a distaste for Western women. Okay that's fine. But it's seriously a waste of mental energy to keep on posting crap about western women over and over again. If you don't like them, okay move the f**k on.

Why don't you spend your mental energy to find a woman you like? Don't waste it on complaining about the women you don't like. You're not even engaged in a relationship with them.

and no, I'm not defending western women... its just that you guys need to grow the f**k up.
Okay. In a way, this guy is making a good point. But I think the way some of the sentences were worded are a bit harsh. Other than that, here's my theory on the situation. I understand the frustration everyone is dealing with. But I think to keep posting about it is not going to help. We all know why we're here now and we all know what we need to do. I've seen the boycott movement has been going on for years. Honestly if American women have not changed then, they're certainly not going to change now. As far as beating a dead horse, he's also right on that. Last time I was on the dating sites, I can tell you right now. Nothing has changed. That is why I quit the American dating sites completely. The same applies when I was dating different AW's all Summer in 2012. Same thing. Nothing has changed.

My advice? If you're still in your mid to late 20's and you're having a lot of trouble dating in America, quit now. I wouldn't even waste my time sleeping around with them. Most importantly DON'T resort to learning pick-up artist skills. This alone will turn you into a person that is not you. Totally forget about them and work on yourself to better yourself. Also find ways to connect with foreign women. Don't go back to dating American women. Take it from a guy (in other words me) who wasted 15 years of dating feminists in America. It's not worth it. We all know how they are. To keep protesting and posting negative things about them is only a waste of energy. Also you're drawing in negative energy upon yourself. To have the combination of stress & frustration is not good. Also this combination can lead to health problems later on. Instead, focus on yourself and what you want in yourself rather than these "feminists" who don't care about anyone else but themselves. It's about what you want in yourself! Not what they want in you.

As for me, I don't try to hate them. And I'll admit it, it's tough sometimes because of the way most AW's are. But as far as where I stand with them, I don't hit on them. I don't show interest in them. I only keep it friendly. If they help me with something at work for instance I help them back and vice versa. As far as dating, having a relationship, and even marriage with an AW, I'll never trust them enough to go that far due to my own experiences with them. In conclusion, ...I do have a theory on this. If we stop posting about them, ....stop dating them, .....stop sleeping with them, ....and to just completely ignore them in the dating scene and do something positive to better ourselves, you're not giving them the attention that they want. This kind of fits in with an old saying: "Actions speak louder than words". I just thought maybe posting this advice would help and the best of luck to everyone on your achievments & goals you want to reach. =)

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Post by Winston » January 27th, 2013, 9:55 pm

I was thinking: Isn't it funny how Mr S posts all these conspiracy threads with mostly zero replies next to them? And how Momopi posts all these threads about economics and jobs with mostly zero replies next to them? And how Lavezzi posts all these Buddhist Zen stuff with no one responding to them? Yet when someone posts a thread trashing American women or western women, then the thread is GUARANTEED to have replies? LOL. That's funny and reveals what most of us are focused on. LOL
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Post by Jester » October 6th, 2014, 3:24 am

royalism wrote:
Jester wrote:
royalism wrote:
Have you guys heard the phraase "preaching to the choir"? Most of the men here don't find western women attractive. That's fine. But you guys are like kicking a dead horse. Just move on. How can you complain about these women? Are you living with them? Are you dating them currently? If not, then I don't see why you guys are complaining.

Its like I f***ing hate the taste of onions. That's why i don't eat onions. Why the f**k would I complain about the taste onions if I haven't found any onions on my plate?
Yeah, but let's say you were forced to live in an onion bin.

Not saying you're wrong. You're right. Focus on what you want, not on what you don't want.

But sometimes a guy needs to scream and smash things.

OK IMO as long as cold rational plan for jailbreak follows.
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Re: Too much useless hate on western women

Post by gibraltar » November 5th, 2014, 9:03 am

Western women have done so much harm and evil towards men that they should be glad all they receive is "hate."

I've spoken to countless men (friends, family members, and acquintances) whose lives have been destroyed by toxic western women.

Seriously, if you get the wrong one, your life will be ruined. Things like imprisonment, death, addiction, stress, illness, lack of loving children, pain and sufferring that Western women and society deal out to men every day.

I see men older than me with nothing to live for. How could they spend their precious lives in such a stupid system like America?

What does it offer them?

Their wives left them, they are financially struggling, their health is failing yet they still wish to travel and see the world.

Remember: Most of these men were young stallions until an evil Western women got hooked up with them.

Men need a forum to vent about these toxic creatures because what they really deserve who get you thrown in jail.

Do you think it's fair to destroy someone's life and make them a financial slave?

How about send them to prison for false rape charges?

Or would you like to be one of the millions of American men who are raising another man's child unknowningly?

America is a sick experiment gone wrong and most men don't know what else to do.

If you defend western women, then you are highly toxic and sick. My advice is:

1. Try a 10 day master cleanse to clean out your blood and organs. Just Google it.
2. Stop looking into the eyes but look to the 3rd eye - Located in the middle of the forehead. It will give you a different view of people. It's why the Chinese bow - to look to the 3rd eye because the two eyes can fool you.
3. Ask yourself why you defend such a creature who kills her own children and rather rely on the police and government for protection than a warm blooded man.

If these 3 steps don't work, then I recommend seeking a good therapist.
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