Hey everyone. Well, you may not like this but I am one of the believers in these so-called "tactics".
I have studied David DeAngelo's material a lot more but I'm just getting into Mystery's stuff to see how it compares and so far it seems to ring true as well if not being more narrow than David D. it adds to the overall picture.
I've noticed on a lot of online forums there are people who dismiss it all as B.S. smoke and mirrors or "manipulative" but I'd like to try to open your mind to my perspective.
What the people who discredit these "techniques" don't get is that the CORE, most *important* ideas PUA's such as Mystery, David D are learning/teaching aren't "techniques" or "tactics" at all.
People tend to have opinions about and bash things that they have NO IDEA about and haven't even taken the time to learn about it, you discredit things you don't even have enough interest in to learn about. You make ASSUMPTIONS about what it is about without even knowing.
What they are teaching is psychology, a "mindset" that is valid for ALL women in ALL countries I don't care where you go humans are humans and humans aren't 100% culturally influenced, we also have hard-wired inbred behaviours and mating instincts like any other animal.
Conservative religious people would of course reject any suggestion that we share anything in common with other animals, but truly we are just mammals and we have mating and courtship rituals that are hardwired from birth just like any other animal. Culture actually messes with our heads and makes us UN-LEARN what we should have known from birth.
Our minds get contaminated with this cultural B.S. and that can really get in the way of meeting and relating to women for a lot of men. I know I fell into the B.S. that was fed to me.
For a bunch of open-minded, renaissance men, "free-thinkers" you are being pretty closed minded IMHO.
I bet none of you have actually STUDIED the material and took the time to actually LEARN and UNDERSTAND what it is all about.
A typical nice-guy stance is "Oh but I just want to be myself". Here's something for you: What is wrong with learning something NEW if the old isn't working for you? That isn't being manipulative, that is just SMART.
What these guys teach makes absolutely common sense. Common sense that is well, not common because of so much cultural B.S. and ignorance of the art and science behind human behaviour patterns. For all the variation among people, there ARE patterns you can pick up. What is wrong with knowing those patterns and using that to your advantage?
I have just started learning the stuff and let me tell you it WORKS like MAGIC. What they talk about DIRECTLY correlates to my experience in the real world. I've been in all the typical BAD situations with women and this stuff teaches you how to AVOID those very very BAD situations and I am thankful I am learning it.
I can guarantee these "tactics" would work anywhere in the world because in esscence they are NOT "tactics" at all. It would work in the Philippines, Europe, etc as long as the language and culture barrier is broken first.
If your success with women is 10x better over there than in the states in your "ignorant" state (no offense meant but it's true), then your success over there would be 100x better easily WITH this knowledge that I'm learning from PUA's.
Of course if you already have naturally the mindset that they teach then it would be of no help but to a guy like me who has struggled for years in confusion over the weird a** shit women pull on men, their mind games, flakyness, emotional nature, irrationality, etc, it is PURE GOLD.
All they teach is to be FUN, humorous, don't take interaction with women too seriously, keep many options open, NEVER be needy or clingy, confident, did I mention FUN FUN FUN, slightly cocky and VALUES himself, doesn't allow himself to be walked on, can move on easily, the list goes on of common sense mindsets that they teach that SHOULD be common sense but a lot of nice, caring guys get SCREWED, absolutely screwed when they are too nice, and I highly doubt there is an exception overseas.
My two cents, take it or leave it I don't care, your own success is yours, mine is mine, and if people want to brush new ideas off, NO PROBLEMO, less competition the better for guys like me.
From what I've learned so far, a good Pick-up artist can be summed up this way:
-HONEST and DIRECT (doesn't lie or cheat women like a player does)
-Confident to the point of being slightly cocky in a fun and playful way
-VALUES his own time and space, doesn't make the woman his whole world
-Emphasizes the FUN aspect of flirting with women, teases them a lot, isn't an asshole, but plays with them and makes them feel like a little girl again.
-Knows how a woman's body works, knows how to really turn a woman on and make her feel sensations no other man can give her.
-Understands that attraction is an emotional instinct and not a logical choice, doesn't take it personally when a women loses attraction, knows it wasn't her choice it was a FEELING you created or failed to create.
-Knows the art of making a woman FEEL good feelings, doesn't try to win her over with gifts, excessive compliments, sugar daddy, flashy cars, etc.
-Isn't a NEEDY WUSSY, doesn't whine, doesn't complain, doesn't fall in love with girls who don't return his love, doesn't get upset or angry, doesn't blame women for dumping him, doesn't chase them around, doesn't do favors for them in expectation of sex etc etc.
-NEVER feels sorry for himself, gets jealous or makes himself feel like a VICTIM. "Oh, she cheated on me, she betrayed me, she flaked out on a date with me, oh boo hoo! WUSS lol. (I know that's a problem I had a few times, more than once!)
Of course if she ever cheats on you, firmly tell her it's not acceptable and immediately leave her, but with the mindset they teach you, you'd never get devastated by it, you can go meet 100 other women and you already have tons of female friends who all want you.
Basically it teaches you to be a NON-WUSSY with lots of options open, who is respectful of women but loves to have LOTS and LOTS of FUN with them.
In effect it is teaching you to be LESS manipulative because you aren't doing favors for the girl or being EXCESSIVELY nice just to win her liking and approval. You aren't buying her dinners, flowers, gifts just so she'll like you and have sex with you, you are confident that she'll fall in love with you just because you are FUN to be with and challenging, women love that.
Now, being slightly arrogant and funny doesn't work all the time, but one GREAT thing I love about it is that it helps you WEED OUT the ones without a SENSE OF HUMOR. If they aren't fun, they aren't good enough for you, it helps you have standards. YOU are judging and screening them out, not the other way around as it usually is. You are the picky one.
You don't just go for anything with a p*ssy. You LET THEM KNOW you're picky and that you are seeing if they live up to YOUR standards. Looks could be one of them, another is how well they can take some teasing and have fun.
Ah yes and one of the important things they teach that SHOULD be common sense is OUTCOME INDEPENDENCE. When you're picking up women you don't care whether or not you get the girl, you aren't out there to pick up girls, you are out to have fun with them. The whole emphasis is on this carefree fun attitude while not being a total liar or jerk.
You might play with them by not answering questions about your work directly, (if they ask you where you work, say you're a male stripper at an EXCLUSIVE strip joint or something), but you don't devastate them by lying about major stuff. Carefree fun attitude, you don't talk about boring topics with them, you make them feel like a little girl who is overwhelmed with your charm and power.
It's all about CREATIVITY baby. It's FUN. They teach you a MINDSET, with some "techniques" to get started, but in the end it's really all about the mindset not some stupid canned lines or routines. You take the knowledge of the root psychology behind attraction, and you be creative with it and have fun, and feel more POWERFUL knowing that no matter what you're living life to the fullest and having the time of your life with attractive fun loving women.
It's about an abundance mentality rather than a scarcity mentality, security rather than insecurity, fun instead of overly melodramatic, romantic and serious, feeling your own masculine power and bringing out the feminine in her.
Now on that point, maybe bringing out the feminine is more of a challenge in the U.S. and it's less of a challenge abroad, but it can't hurt improving even if it is easier abroad.
Women test and manipulate men ALL THE TIME. They test us so much it's ridiculous. I can't remember one time I went out with a women who didn't subject me to some kind of subtle test (that I didn't know was a test of course in my naive innocence). What's worse is that there's this double standard that men who pick up women through personality are manipulative, but then it's OK to TEST men to see if they measure up and dump them if they don't pass the test, and it's ok for women to have cosmo magazines, manipulate our sexual desires by dressing sexy, putting on make-up and enhancing their appearance in all sorts of unnatural ways.
That is what made me seek help in the first place. I experienced first hand the manipulation, the flakyness, the manipulation and mind games, the shit TESTS women play on you to see how much of a MAN you are. I've suffered a LOT out of confusion. What these guys teach is HOW women test you and WHY. When you learn that, you don't get victimized by it, you see it as cute and feminine and you just plow right through it like a hot knife through butter. Aww she's testing me that's cute it means she likes me. etc.
Heck, 90% of what the PUA guru's teach is getting past these damn tests!! ALL women do it, it's unconcious, it's biological, maybe women overseas do it less, but I will bet you anything they still do it. I have met foreign women including from East Asia and in some cases it was WORSE.
These are things that can be LEARNED. You can LEARN about psychology, sociology, martial arts, riding a bike, making more money, the list goes on.
But as soon as we start talking about dating... OH NO!! YOU CAN"T LEARN THAT! HAHA You still think you;re open minded guys? Why there is a stigma agains this? Why can't you see it's just that, a cultural stigma.
Now, if you guys still see something wrong with that, I leave that up to you, not my loss