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What should Eurobrat do next? PLEASE VOTE!

Give up on Europe and move back to the USA, bang sluts and get back to making real money and creating a real life?
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Chop his dick off, move to tibet and become a MTGOW monk and write all women and dating off completely?
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5%
Move to the Philippines and develop a strong case of yellow fever?
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24%
Suck it up like a man, stay in Europe and try a different country?
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Keep writing posts and bashing Winston & HA?
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Total votes: 21

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Re: Happier Abroad is DEAD. My horrible Kyiv dating experience and how I was almost killed.

Post by eurobrat » August 8th, 2018, 7:32 am

I learned a lot from dealing with her for 3 day and I'm officially done with online dating, because you just can't decipher the real person behind the keyboard over your chat window. A lot of people are keyboard warriors these days (cough* Winston cough*!).

The good thing is I got out of there alive and unscathed learning another dating lesson. Realistically I didn't even spend more than €200 on our weekend together compared with the guys taking a Romance Tour and spending $5k, while not even managing one bang, one blowjob, one kiss, one massage or anything beyond a simple dinner with a girl. I got to experience another culture, a new country and capital city which to me adds to the value of even going in the first place.

In the future I would not travel to meet women or do any kind of pre-chat online dating dating. I'd rather go back to the old school in-person approaching and bar/pub pickup, things were more fun and random back then when I did this in my 20's compared to the cold calculating online dating where it's like a job interview.

Another thing about her is the continual testing she performed on me. No woman who's really infatuated and likes a man will send him through so many hoops, set so many rules or test a man so much.

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Re: Happier Abroad is DEAD. My horrible Kyiv dating experience and how I was almost killed.

Post by Neo » August 8th, 2018, 4:31 pm

As in all things, a good examination is required before doing anything. For example, before a person bites into an apple, doesn't he first check to see if it is good or bad? If a person buys cheese, wouldn't he refuse to buy cheese that has mold on it? And before a person makes a sandwich, would he choose moldy bread or fresh bread? Before anything takes place, the person has to inspect to see the quality before jumping in.

There are good apples, fresh bread and delicious cheese. Just a person needs to check beforehand, to see what the quality is.

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Post by eurobrat » August 8th, 2018, 9:20 pm

Neo wrote:
August 8th, 2018, 4:31 pm
As in all things, a good examination is required before doing anything. For example, before a person bites into an apple, doesn't he first check to see if it is good or bad? If a person buys cheese, wouldn't he refuse to buy cheese that has mold on it? And before a person makes a sandwich, would he choose moldy bread or fresh bread? Before anything takes place, the person has to inspect to see the quality before jumping in.

There are good apples, fresh bread and delicious cheese. Just a person needs to check beforehand, to see what the quality is.
Thanks for your very strange analogy.

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Post by Neo » August 8th, 2018, 10:05 pm

There are good people and then there are bad people. Choose from the subset of people who are good people. This is the analogy.

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Post by HappyGuy » August 10th, 2018, 3:02 pm

eurobrat wrote:
July 21st, 2018, 1:45 pm
Boys just improve yourself and stick to your own kind (culture/religion and values), HAPPIER ABROAD IS DEAD.

I can't wait to go back to dating European/American women.
- Eurobrat
There is nothing wrong with American women but most American men today are gasbags and I feel sorry for the women forced to marry them. American women are beautiful and kind and they deserve much better.

What are HA types like Eurobrat doing when they accept they will never satisfy a local woman? They go to E. Europe or China or Latin America where women are even less forgiving of weak males. That's a great plan because then we get comical results like this thread. :lol:

If you're getting into fights with your girlfriend you're a loser and she doesn't respect you so there's no point in you two dating.


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Post by publicduende » August 10th, 2018, 4:00 pm

Neo wrote:
August 8th, 2018, 4:31 pm
As in all things, a good examination is required before doing anything. For example, before a person bites into an apple, doesn't he first check to see if it is good or bad? If a person buys cheese, wouldn't he refuse to buy cheese that has mold on it? And before a person makes a sandwich, would he choose moldy bread or fresh bread? Before anything takes place, the person has to inspect to see the quality before jumping in.

There are good apples, fresh bread and delicious cheese. Just a person needs to check beforehand, to see what the quality is.
Nice analogy but, "rotten apple" metaphor apart, people are not apples. The quick inspection that allows us to tell whether the apple is good to eat or good to throw away, in case of a person might take a lot longer, perhaps never end, or end when we feel like we have a satisfactory judgment, only to reveal itself partial, or even wrong.

People, ALL people are inherently good. If we didn't have a good heart and willing to play nice with every construct of our society, from our family, to our workplace, to our public life, our species would have long since ceased to exist, or be stuck at the stone age, every man (and woman) for themselves.

The problem with people is that we don't have a lot of time to judge: we have to make an "informed guess". What exactly informs our choice, whether our rational mind, our romantic heart or our nether parts, or any combination of the three, makes all the difference, in every case.

I have spoken to Eurobrat more than I spoke to some of my best friends albeit, strangely, we never met in person. For what I know of him, he's a "bravo ragazzo", a good guy whose personal confidence seems to have been dented by a less-than-happy childhood. He is still young, handsome, talented and with a good heart.

I actually tend to agree when he says why is he not good enough for the girls out there. Maybe the opposite holds: he's too good for the girls he ends up meeting and dating. I hope this one girl from Poland will make him justice. Best of luck to him.

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Post by HappyGuy » August 11th, 2018, 8:21 am

eurobrat wrote:
July 21st, 2018, 6:29 pm
The world is pretty culturally flat these days. I don’t know why Winston keeps promoting the Russian Ukranian women they’re not easy to deal with.
Culturally flat is the perfect word to describe how culturally dead it's become almost everywhere. :shock:

Globalization and mass-immigration had many negative effects but I don't think it created a common culture that is identical everywhere because you still have differences like languages and food. It seems like what's common across the board is people don't care anymore about eachother, or about having fun, or about romance and happiness. :shock: It sometimes feels like like walking through a ghost town. I think the biggest cause of the falloff were computers and high speed internet, followed by smart phones and tablets.

When people got those they became addicted to online activities and started prioritizing more and more time to be alone. Before long their internet lives were put above going outside and conversing with their neighbors and friends and family. Even if what they were doing online was chatting with their friends! This forum might be part of the problem it complains about. :shock:

If there is some awesome celebration going on outside every year more and more people ignore those social gatherings and choose to stay in and stare at their computer. :shock: Before long nobody is left on the streets to socialize with so the culture just dies quietly while everyone is distracted, and I think that's what happened.

In 2004 when Winston was traveling there was probably still some difference while the rest of the world was transitioning but it was only a matter of time before the happy days were over and what happened in America would happen everywhere else. Facebook and smart phones made many more women unbearable almost within the same year they appeared. And that happened instantly worldwide.
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Post by Winston » August 11th, 2018, 9:13 am

publicduende wrote:
August 7th, 2018, 12:34 pm
Winston wrote:
August 7th, 2018, 11:07 am
Ok dude, but don't say stuff like "HA is dead". Remember you can only speak for YOURSELF. Not for others. Not even for one other man. ONLY FOR YOURSELF. Don't develop a delusional God complex like Publicduende.

Look what happened in Star Trek when Captain Kirk's friend Gary Mitchell developed a God complex and God like powers. He had to eliminate him. See the episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before". That's what I gotta do to Publicduende too. Don't let it happen to you too.


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LOL I am the one with the delusional complex. Winston, honest, I think you're aging like milk. You stopped caring about the world long time ago and shut down the only feedback loop that might have made you into a better person.

I need to GTFO of this forum before I am responsible for something tragical happening to you...

Feel free to ban me, dude. I don't want to hear no more about you and your pathetic excuse for an existence of whores and lies.
Well you are a traitor. I treated you like a good friend and even stuck up for you and complimented your looks. Traitors are scumbags. Even spies who betray their country and defect, like benedict arnold did, are seen as scumbags by their new host country. May you rot in hell traitor.

At least im not sick like you. I dont get a sick pleasure out of making people feel like shit and telling them negative shit to make them feel bad. Good people uplift others. Do you uplift anyone? No! All you do is bring people down. Very satanic. Hope you rot in hell like you deserve.

And like Gary Mitchell above you will fall into a pit and be imprisoned there for having a God complex. Thats what happens to those who choose the dark side and evil over good. (Holding crucifix at you)

If this were your forum you would have banned me already no doubt. Im not sinking to your level. Ill just let you self destruct. Evil implodes and contains the seeds of its own destruction. So no need to fight it. Just don't get contaminated by it.
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Post by Winston » August 11th, 2018, 9:17 am

Btw everyone. Eurobrat has a hot polish girl now with him in ireland. I saw her pics. Shes looks wholesome, kind and attractive. I dont think shes a drama queen type. Maybe this experience if it turns out good will incite eurobrat to recant the title in this thread?
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Post by Winston » August 11th, 2018, 9:43 am

Damn that Publicduende guy is psycho. He is cursing me and wishing me to suffer. Why does he get a sick pleasure from bringing people down? Why doesnt he uplift others like good people do? Geez. Its like hes gone to the dark side.

How did he get to be president of the rotary club in manila? Dont u need leadership skills and rational balanced mind to be the president of a club? Lol. Not be an extremist and party pooper who likes to bring others down?

You guys should help straighten him out.
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Post by publicduende » August 11th, 2018, 10:45 am

Winston wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 9:43 am
Damn that Publicduende guy is psycho. He is cursing me and wishing me to suffer. Why does he get a sick pleasure from bringing people down? Why doesnt he uplift others like good people do? Geez. Its like hes gone to the dark side.

How did he get to be president of the rotary club in manila? Dont u need leadership skills and rational balanced mind to be the president of a club? Lol. Not be an extremist and party pooper who likes to bring others down?

You guys should help straighten him out.
I am not cursing you and I certainly I am not wishing you to suffer more than you are already. Read up all the previous posts on this ridiculous diatribe, 90% of the cussing and insults are from you. That posted you just quoted, it was the last reply of a series of very inflamed posts from you on different threads. It was late night/early morning and I kind of had enough of it.

You still don't understand that 100% of your pain is self-inflicted. It's your fault that you are in the situation you are and your responsibility to get out of it. I simply pointed out that Europe might not be the panacea you think it is and, in reiterating some previous advice, I think Manila could still be a good dating playground for you. If and when you decide to straighten your act, that is.

I didn't poop on any party. Your Europe party was shite from the onset. It's not gonna fix you. Even you admitted a few posts ago that you'll end up visiting brothels to release yourself.

And could you please not bring in stuff about my personal/social life that has non bearing whatsoever with the topic at hand? By the way, it's part of a leader's responsibilities to be of service and help. I have tried to do just that with you, but the fact you're jumping at me like a salivating dog means every part of your body, mind ans soul resists the change.

Well, more power to you. As we say in Italy, you simmer in the soup you cooked.

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Post by publicduende » August 11th, 2018, 10:51 am

Winston wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 9:13 am
Well you are a traitor. I treated you like a good friend and even stuck up for you and complimented your looks. Traitors are scumbags. Even spies who betray their country and defect, like benedict arnold did, are seen as scumbags by their new host country. May you rot in hell traitor.

At least im not sick like you. I dont get a sick pleasure out of making people feel like shit and telling them negative shit to make them feel bad. Good people uplift others. Do you uplift anyone? No! All you do is bring people down. Very satanic. Hope you rot in hell like you deserve.

And like Gary Mitchell above you will fall into a pit and be imprisoned there for having a God complex. Thats what happens to those who choose the dark side and evil over good. (Holding crucifix at you)

If this were your forum you would have banned me already no doubt. Im not sinking to your level. Ill just let you self destruct. Evil implodes and contains the seeds of its own destruction. So no need to fight it. Just don't get contaminated by it.
I treated you like a good friend, too. I thought good friends give each other sound advice, even if it goes against their way of thinking, their inner narrative. I know it's shocking, but that's what they do. I bitch-slapped you and now you're starting to realise that, effectively, wherever you go, there you are.

If there is someone who receives pleasure to look at you in this sorry condition, it's those "friends" of yours who always seconded you whatever you did, perhaps doing more of the same with you. You know who I am talking about. Why do I have the impression that at least some of them follow your adventures like visitors in a zoo, or ticket holders at a circus show.

If they really felt something to see you fail and complain, scrape the bottom of humanity in one of the seediest places on Earth and not even try to do something about it, are you 100% sure they're such good friends? Think.

If you are sick on a hospital bed and your mom is caressing you and consoling you, then the nurse arrives with an injection that's probably gonna cause you some pain but it's part of your therapy, would you say that the nurse is a traitor because, unlike your mom, she's causing you pain? Only small children would say that.

I tell you for one last time, maybe not as the friend you wish you had but certainly not as a foe: GROW UP AND START ACTING LIKE AN ADULT. TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE AT ALL LEVELS, STOP SITTING ON THE LAURELS OF EXPERIENCES YOU HAD 12-15 YEARS AGO AND LIVE IN THE PRESENT. MOST IMPORTANTLY, LIVE IN THIS REALITY, NOT IN YOUR PERSONAL FANTASY.

Then the right woman will come along.

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Post by gsjackson » August 11th, 2018, 12:49 pm

HappyGuy wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 8:21 am
eurobrat wrote:
July 21st, 2018, 6:29 pm
The world is pretty culturally flat these days. I don’t know why Winston keeps promoting the Russian Ukranian women they’re not easy to deal with.
Culturally flat is the perfect word to describe how culturally dead it's become almost everywhere. :shock:

Globalization and mass-immigration had many negative effects but I don't think it created a common culture that is identical everywhere because you still have differences like languages and food. It seems like what's common across the board is people don't care anymore about eachother, or about having fun, or about romance and happiness. :shock: It sometimes feels like like walking through a ghost town. I think the biggest cause of the falloff were computers and high speed internet, followed by smart phones and tablets.

When people got those they became addicted to online activities and started prioritizing more and more time to be alone. Before long their internet lives were put above going outside and conversing with their neighbors and friends and family. Even if what they were doing online was chatting with their friends! This forum might be part of the problem it complains about. :shock:

If there is some awesome celebration going on outside every year more and more people ignore those social gatherings and choose to stay in and stare at their computer. :shock: Before long nobody is left on the streets to socialize with so the culture just dies quietly while everyone is distracted, and I think that's what happened.

In 2004 when Winston was traveling there was probably still some difference while the rest of the world was transitioning but it was only a matter of time before the happy days were over and what happened in America would happen everywhere else. Facebook and smart phones made many more women unbearable almost within the same year they appeared. And that happened instantly worldwide.
I agree with all this, and would just add that in the U.S., and maybe western Europe, the situation is compounded by the banksters and 0.01 percent -- the rentier class -- sucking all the money out of the economy up to the tippy top. Americans stay glued to the screens in part because they don't have the discretionary income to go out socializing. I've just returned (briefly) to the U.S. and have been shocked to notice the latest salvo of the 0.01 percent -- dramatically increased rent prices across the country. This is apparently being led by large investment companies that have bought up millions of distressed properties over the last several years while the entry-level housing supply dwindled relative to demand, and now are taking the opportunity to gouge, as usual.

Lack of money leads to the opposite outcome in a poor country like Romania, where I just spent three months. Rather than sit around in their drab, communist-era bloc apartments, they go out and socialize on the cheap. I could go around to the local mall in Bucharest at 9 p.m. on a Sunday night and find a lot of people sitting around chatting in the food court and outdoor area. That's unthinkable in the U.S., which really does resemble a ghost town now. But at the same time, the young women of Romania have become mostly phone zombies, so the future of face-to-face interaction is problematic there too.

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Post by HappyGuy » August 11th, 2018, 2:26 pm

gsjackson wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 12:49 pm
the situation is compounded by the banksters and 0.01 percent -- the rentier class -- sucking all the money out of the economy up to the tippy top.
If you want to understand the new American economy here's a quick lesson:


Did you notice how old some of those investors were? It's like they can't go to the grave in peace without destroying a few more families first. Maybe the parents of boomers are even worse than the boomers. :shock:

China's top 1% the Communist Party thieves are moving into California, buying mansions for themselves and buying smaller homes to rent out which drives up the rent prices and leaves Americans homeless. And the US gives them residency, even green cards. :cry: Soon all 50 states will have a rent situation like China, which resembles feudalism:



Dollar stores are replacing grocery stores in low income areas (which is going to be most of America) because people can't afford meat and potatoes anymore. :lol: The homeless eat potato chips for dinner.

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Post by eurobrat » August 12th, 2018, 1:47 pm

gsjackson wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 12:49 pm
HappyGuy wrote:
August 11th, 2018, 8:21 am
eurobrat wrote:
July 21st, 2018, 6:29 pm
The world is pretty culturally flat these days. I don’t know why Winston keeps promoting the Russian Ukranian women they’re not easy to deal with.
Culturally flat is the perfect word to describe how culturally dead it's become almost everywhere. :shock:

Globalization and mass-immigration had many negative effects but I don't think it created a common culture that is identical everywhere because you still have differences like languages and food. It seems like what's common across the board is people don't care anymore about eachother, or about having fun, or about romance and happiness. :shock: It sometimes feels like like walking through a ghost town. I think the biggest cause of the falloff were computers and high speed internet, followed by smart phones and tablets.

When people got those they became addicted to online activities and started prioritizing more and more time to be alone. Before long their internet lives were put above going outside and conversing with their neighbors and friends and family. Even if what they were doing online was chatting with their friends! This forum might be part of the problem it complains about. :shock:

If there is some awesome celebration going on outside every year more and more people ignore those social gatherings and choose to stay in and stare at their computer. :shock: Before long nobody is left on the streets to socialize with so the culture just dies quietly while everyone is distracted, and I think that's what happened.

In 2004 when Winston was traveling there was probably still some difference while the rest of the world was transitioning but it was only a matter of time before the happy days were over and what happened in America would happen everywhere else. Facebook and smart phones made many more women unbearable almost within the same year they appeared. And that happened instantly worldwide.
I agree with all this, and would just add that in the U.S., and maybe western Europe, the situation is compounded by the banksters and 0.01 percent -- the rentier class -- sucking all the money out of the economy up to the tippy top. Americans stay glued to the screens in part because they don't have the discretionary income to go out socializing. I've just returned (briefly) to the U.S. and have been shocked to notice the latest salvo of the 0.01 percent -- dramatically increased rent prices across the country. This is apparently being led by large investment companies that have bought up millions of distressed properties over the last several years while the entry-level housing supply dwindled relative to demand, and now are taking the opportunity to gouge, as usual.

Lack of money leads to the opposite outcome in a poor country like Romania, where I just spent three months. Rather than sit around in their drab, communist-era bloc apartments, they go out and socialize on the cheap. I could go around to the local mall in Bucharest at 9 p.m. on a Sunday night and find a lot of people sitting around chatting in the food court and outdoor area. That's unthinkable in the U.S., which really does resemble a ghost town now. But at the same time, the young women of Romania have become mostly phone zombies, so the future of face-to-face interaction is problematic there too.
I have noticed this too in Poland, Romania and Ukraine that all young women are glued to the phone. In Ukraine they don't have cheap mobile data options, 50megabytes of data is expensive about 35€ a month (lack of telecom infrastructure or maybe someone has a monopoly), however there is plenty of wifi shisha cafe's around Kyiv.

I still think the best Eastern European countries are Poland, Romania and maybe Croatia for dating... however in 5 years time it will just be the same everywhere.

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