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Teaching in China without Degree still available.

Post by DarthXedonias » August 12th, 2018, 5:23 am

Thought I would mention this for others that might be interested. Even though most teaching jobs in China require a degree to get a employment Z visa, I have noticed that both public and private institutions are turning to getting Business visas for their teachers (which don't require a degree) when they are desperate for English Teachers. Granted, this seems to keep on happening due to the increase demand and many more qualified teachers choosing to skip China in order to go to Korea or Japan. An example of the postings I'm seeing regularly are:

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china/index.cgi?read=54748

Seen a couple other ones like this. Though this one is a private institution I remember seeing others that were public. Were from mostly cities that don't get many foreigners, so they lack a lot of English teachers. Also seems like China really increased the pay and benefits from the last time I looked up jobs there years ago. Guess they are really trying to attract more native English speakers to take jobs in China. Either way, seems like you could save some decent money. Also, seems like for certain ones only thing you could really do besides getting a degree in order to look very appealing is probably get a TEFL certificate which you can easily get online (Which I'm doing currently). Also, I should mention that if anyone thinks about this they should probably be well prepared or be familiar with the way the Chinese do business from what I've heard. I've heard it isn't uncommon for many teachers in China to quit within the first 2 months of working there. Sometimes this has to do with conflicts with the educational manager. So that should probably be kept in mind. Either way, I think this might good for some people who might want to get there feet wet and then if it doesn't work out at least in China, after one year they could just move on to somewhere else.

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Re: Teaching in China without Degree still available.

Post by xiongmao » August 12th, 2018, 8:12 am

Before doing this check that it's legal (it's probably not).

If you're found working on anything other than a work visa then things can be very grim.

Remember the Chinese will always blame foreigners for their problems.
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Re: Teaching in China without Degree still available.

Post by Ghost » August 14th, 2018, 8:48 pm

Lots of people still teach in China without a work (Z) visa. It is illegal, but outside of the tier one cities, you are generally safe because the police and government don't care much. I wouldn't teach illegally in Beijing though.
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Re: Teaching in China without Degree still available.

Post by DarthXedonias » August 15th, 2018, 11:08 am

Ghost wrote:
August 14th, 2018, 8:48 pm
Lots of people still teach in China without a work (Z) visa. It is illegal, but outside of the tier one cities, you are generally safe because the police and government don't care much. I wouldn't teach illegally in Beijing though.
Thanks for the info. I'm currently still looking at this. My choices right now are to take this option to get out of the states or Teach online and then move to the Philippines. Apparently, they have increased the pay of teaching online to good levels so I think I could make an actual really good income while living in the Philippines. Either way, working on my TEFL certificate now and will hopefully be done with it by the end of the week then I will see what happens.

If I take the China Job though I'm thinking about either: Suzhou, Chongqing, or Dongguan (This one I'm considering because apparently females heavily outnumber males in this town). If either of you guys ( @Ghost @xiongmao ) have any info on these towns or any better suggestions I would very much appreciate it.

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Re: Teaching in China without Degree still available.

Post by xiongmao » August 15th, 2018, 5:25 pm

I'm quite near Suzhou. But as I'd wrote earlier I'd be *extremely* careful. Last year my boss wouldn't let me take on a side contract with a school in the middle of nowhere during the vacation.

The trade war is getting ugly and foreigners WILL be blamed when unemployment soars and people start blaming the government.

Also there is hardly any *real* information about Chinese law online.

Maybe try Vietnam or the frontier country Myanmar instead?
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Re: Teaching in China without Degree still available.

Post by Ghost » August 16th, 2018, 12:16 am

DarthXedonias wrote:
August 15th, 2018, 11:08 am
Thanks for the info. I'm currently still looking at this. My choices right now are to take this option to get out of the states or Teach online and then move to the Philippines. Apparently, they have increased the pay of teaching online to good levels so I think I could make an actual really good income while living in the Philippines. Either way, working on my TEFL certificate now and will hopefully be done with it by the end of the week then I will see what happens.
Teaching online has gotten better within the past two years, with increased wages and conditions. (Plus a lot more companies to choose from now.) The best jobs entail $20-25 an hour teaching online. Main things there are be careful of unpaid work, scams, and companies that try to nickel and dime you.

Doing this in Philippines isn't necessarily a bad idea, but you have to have a reliable internet connection constantly. That can be hard to do there.
If I take the China Job though I'm thinking about either: Suzhou, Chongqing, or Dongguan (This one I'm considering because apparently females heavily outnumber males in this town). If either of you guys ( @Ghost @xiongmao ) have any info on these towns or any better suggestions I would very much appreciate it.
I'd go with either Dongguan or Chongqing if choosing among those three cities. Depends on if you prefer a laid back third tier city or a big metropolis type of city.
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Re: Teaching in China without Degree still available.

Post by DarthXedonias » August 20th, 2018, 9:18 am

Ok, thanks guys for the info. I'm about 70% through my TEFL course now. I will be continuing my education on September 1st then will try to work through my degree as fast as I can. Going to try to get 1 course done every 3-4 days that way I can have it within 2-3 months hopefully. In the mean time I really have 3 options now: Go with the the Online job and move to the Philippines (while completing my degree), move to take a job in China (while completing my degree), or concentrate solely on finishing up my degree then teach English in the country of my choice. I'm thinking if I did the third option I would probably either go do work in Korea, Thailand (for food and women, possibly get a TEFL), or Japan (Though I don't think I would be able to save much).

@xiongmao Would you recommend Thailand at all? If I remember correctly you said you taught there for a bit. Would you recommend the women? My final destination is to do some real estate hotel type business in the Philippines but until I gain the wealth to do that is there any other Asian countries you would recommend as far as the quality of women go?

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Re: Teaching in China without Degree still available.

Post by xiongmao » August 20th, 2018, 2:28 pm

DarthXedonias wrote:
August 20th, 2018, 9:18 am
Would you recommend Thailand at all? If I remember correctly you said you taught there for a bit. Would you recommend the women? My final destination is to do some real estate hotel type business in the Philippines but until I gain the wealth to do that is there any other Asian countries you would recommend as far as the quality of women go?
Thailand has a great quality of life and life isn't taken as seriously as it is in China.

On the downside teaching salaries are much lower. You generally don't get a free apartment either.

The students are more unruly too.

It's not as cheap there as it was either - the Thai baht just keeps getting stronger.
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