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Atheists & Agnostics more knowledgeable about Religion than Believers are

Post by momopi » September 28th, 2010, 9:53 pm

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 5238.story

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Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says
Report says nonbelievers know more, on average, about religion than most faithful. Jews and Mormons also score high on the U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey.
By Mitchell Landsberg, Los Angeles Times

September 28, 2010

If you want to know about God, you might want to talk to an atheist.

Heresy? Perhaps. But a survey that measured Americans' knowledge of religion found that atheists and agnostics knew more, on average, than followers of most major faiths. In fact, the gaps in knowledge among some of the faithful may give new meaning to the term "blind faith."

A majority of Protestants, for instance, couldn't identify Martin Luther as the driving force behind the Protestant Reformation, according to the survey, released Tuesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. Four in 10 Catholics misunderstood the meaning of their church's central ritual, incorrectly saying that the bread and wine used in Holy Communion are intended to merely symbolize the body and blood of Christ, not actually become them.

Atheists and agnostics — those who believe there is no God or who aren't sure — were more likely to answer the survey's questions correctly. Jews and Mormons ranked just below them in the survey's measurement of religious knowledge — so close as to be statistically tied.

So why would an atheist know more about religion than a Christian?

American atheists and agnostics tend to be people who grew up in a religious tradition and consciously gave it up, often after a great deal of reflection and study, said Alan Cooperman, associate director for research at the Pew Forum.

"These are people who thought a lot about religion," he said. "They're not indifferent. They care about it."

Atheists and agnostics also tend to be relatively well educated, and the survey found, not surprisingly, that the most knowledgeable people were also the best educated. However, it said that atheists and agnostics also outperformed believers who had a similar level of education.

The groups at the top of the U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey were followed, in order, by white evangelical Protestants, white Catholics, white mainline Protestants, people who were unaffiliated with any faith (but not atheist or agnostic), black Protestants and Latino Catholics.

Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists were included in the survey, but their numbers were too small to be broken out as statistically significant groups.

Stephen Prothero, a professor of religion at Boston University and author of "Religious Literacy: What Every American Needs to Know — And Doesn't," served as an advisor on the survey. "I think in general the survey confirms what I argued in the book, which is that we know almost nothing about our own religions and even less about the religions of other people," he said.

He said he found it significant that Mormons, who are not considered Christians by many fundamentalists, showed greater knowledge of the Bible than evangelical Christians.

The Rev. Adam Hamilton, a Methodist minister from Leawood, Kan., and the author of "When Christians Get it Wrong," said the survey's results may reflect a reluctance by many people to dig deeply into their own beliefs and especially into those of others.

"I think that what happens for many Christians is, they accept their particular faith, they accept it to be true and they stop examining it. Consequently, because it's already accepted to be true, they don't examine other people's faiths. … That, I think, is not healthy for a person of any faith," he said.

The Pew survey was not without its bright spots for the devout. Eight in 10 people surveyed knew that Mother Teresa was Catholic. Seven in 10 knew that, according to the Bible, Moses led the exodus from Egypt and that Jesus was born in Bethlehem.

The question that elicited the most correct responses concerned whether public school teachers are allowed to lead their classes in prayer. Eighty-nine percent of the respondents correctly said no. However, 67% also said that such teachers are not permitted to read from the Bible as an example of literature, something the law clearly allows.

For comparison purposes, the survey also asked some questions about general knowledge, which yielded the scariest finding: 4% of Americans believe that Stephen King, not Herman Melville, wrote "Moby Dick."

mitchell.landsberg@latimes.com

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Post by MrPeabody » September 28th, 2010, 10:41 pm

I remember getting into an argument many years ago with a Pentecostal lady where I was unsuccessful in convincing her that the Old Testament was written by Hebrews and not born- again Christians.

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Post by Winston » September 29th, 2010, 4:35 am

I think this is true in one sense, since I learned more about Christianity from the Secular Web site than from Christian books. The Secular Web sites and articles were more willing to divulge ugly truths and verses that the Christians prefer to ignore.

Plus Christians tend to know only a one sided view of the Bible, that has been watered down to support core beliefs and doctrines. And of course, due to their religious beliefs, they have a strong bias toward the Bible, not an objective one.

Personally, I learned way more about the Bible as a non-believer than as a believer. Once you come from an objective standpoint, you learn a lot more that is unfiltered.

However, this study probably included people who merely call themselves Christians due to family traditions and lip service and the fact that they go to church regularly, rather than the Bible thumpers who can quote scriptures well.

But of course, memorizing Scriptures does not mean that one knows a lot about Christianity. Most Christians, including preachers, have no idea that the Bible borrowed it's ideas of Heaven and Hell, God vs. Satan, etc. from the religion of Zoroastrianism when Israel was under the dominion of the Persians. That is pretty clear from the evidence, but is so damaging to the doctrine that the Bible is uncorrupted infallible divine truth, that it is never mentioned.
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Re: Atheists & Agnostics more knowledgeable about Religion than Believers are

Post by Winston » July 8th, 2018, 3:18 pm

This article may be true when comparing academic atheist professors at universities to stupid hillbillies and rednecks that think they are Christians. But it isn't true when it comes to Dr. Kent Hovind, Dr. Frank Turek, Dr. Stephen Meyer, or even me. Also the greatest scientists, minds and geniuses in world history were either theists or deists, not atheists, such as:

1. Isaac Newton
2. Galileo
3. Leonardo DaVinci
4. Albert Einstein
5. Nikola Tesla
6. Benjamin Franklin
7. Thomas Edison
Etc.

Even Darwin was a deist, not an atheist. Only a few philosophers like Nietzsche were atheists, but not the greatest inventors, scientists, or geniuses. No way. Even the smartest man in the world according to Einstein, who was Nikola Tesla, believed in a higher power. Atheists don't want you to know that because it doesn't serve them and their propaganda.

Btw @momopi if you want proof of a higher power or unseen forces right now, here are two ways you can get it immediately:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=30590&p=310754#p310754

I made that important post just for you and other closed minded atheists who are dogmatic and unchanging about your beliefs and refuse to update your views in accord with any data or evidence.
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Post by josephty2 » August 24th, 2018, 3:51 am

I agree, because atheists are on average, more obsessed with the topic of religion, so of course they would study the subject more and thus have more knowledge. In fact, they probably shouldn't see a good pastlife/past lives psychic.

Atheists are on average more likely to attend high school in first world countries, and in places with higher average income (relatively speaking) than other local regions. The stereotype of "ivory tower" begins in childhood, and becomes more obvious in college years.

However, most "isolated intellectuals" in medieval societies believed in God. So if reincarnation exists, atheists were probably killed by Christians in their past lives and that explains their anti-Christian stances.

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Re: Atheists & Agnostics more knowledgeable about Religion than Believers are

Post by Aron » August 25th, 2018, 3:52 am

@Winston
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July 8th, 2018, 3:18 pm
This article may be true when comparing academic atheist professors at universities to stupid hillbillies and rednecks that think they are Christians. But it isn't true when it comes to Dr. Kent Hovind, Dr. Frank Turek, Dr. Stephen Meyer, or even me.
So those 3 are the main figures whose arguments persuaded you of Intelligent Design? I guess that means i've rebutted about one third of the main people behind your belief in it since i already wrote you a whole article debunking kent hovind's Young Earth Creatonism. Although it'd probably be a waste of time to spend anywhere near as long on the ideas of the other two. What i've already covered shows that there is definitely common descent and macro-evolution. The objection Stephen Meyer makes that DNA is a code is true but what he does not understand is this does nothing to disprove evolution. It just shows that it is not simply an accumulation of random errors that were conveniently beneficial at enough of a rate to allow positive changes to accumulate over time, it's a directed process, but not one directed top down by some magical Omnipotent God, it's an accumulation of intentional adaptations by organisms.
Also the greatest scientists, minds and geniuses in world history were either theists or deists, not atheists, such as:

1. Isaac Newton
2. Galileo
3. Leonardo DaVinci
4. Albert Einstein
5. Nikola Tesla
6. Benjamin Franklin
7. Thomas Edison
Etc.
You're missing some very important context here. Throughout European and American history for a very long time there has been a very real threat of oppression by Christians to anyone who was an atheist. A lot of these people HAD to publicly call themselves either Theists(AKA Christians as other religions wouldn't be allowed) or at least Deists or the church would come after them. Galileo's a perfect example. Look at what the Church did to him. In America the founders made efforts to separate church and state but that didn't remove the threat completely, only in more recent times has atheism become mainstream enough to avoid this. And even now, in America for example no President can be an Atheist and hope to have a reasonable chance of getting elected as President most of the time. Granted for most areas of society Christian dominance has been removed now but this has taken a very long time.
Even Darwin was a deist, not an atheist. Only a few philosophers like Nietzsche were atheists, but not the greatest inventors, scientists, or geniuses. No way. Even the smartest man in the world according to Einstein, who was Nikola Tesla, believed in a higher power. Atheists don't want you to know that because it doesn't serve them and their propaganda.
Actually i'm pretty sure most atheists openly admit these people were deists, they just don't see it as proving anything. The context i explained is very important here.
Btw @momopi if you want proof of a higher power or unseen forces right now, here are two ways you can get it immediately:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=30590&p=310754#p310754

I made that important post just for you and other closed minded atheists who are dogmatic and unchanging about your beliefs and refuse to update your views in accord with any data or evidence.
No need to respond as i already answered these points in the Atheists and Atheism thread.

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