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Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Winston » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:39 am


Obviously, women come here from the main forum to get away from the women bashing there. So should we make a rule here that no "women bashing" is allowed? I mean constructive criticism is one thing, but bashing and ranting is another. Where do we draw the line?

I already noted this rule in the Basic Rules thread in the Announcements section.

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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Johnny1975 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:01 am


Absolutely not. In the main forum we are generally allowed to insult each other to an extent. I've never come across that in any forum, and I like it. As long as it doesn't go on and on and get out of hand, I think it's fine. I think we should all be able to bash each other a bit if we feel justified, as long as it doesn't turn into a soap opera.

Winston, you're very laid back when it comes to moderating. At first I thought what's going on, why does he let people insult each other like this? Then I noticed that not only does it make the forum more fun, but it also shows that actually, left to themselves, people generally either resolve their differences, or they just stop arguing after a while. Having said that, a bit of moderation would be good, just not too much.

At the top of the main forum it says :

Warning: This forum operates on the principles of truth, free speech and freethought without politically correct censorship.

So I don't understand why we have this thread. I know you're trying to make a good impression, and I understand that, but the women who come here may as well get used to the idea that we're not keen on holding back our opinions. Let this be a forum where everyone can say what they really think. In your book you talk a lot about how certain topics are considered taboo by the mainstream, so I don't get why you're even considering stopping people from bashing whoever they want to bash. You bash western women in your book, we bash them on the main forum, and presumably this forum is for likeminded females who get where we're coming from (whether they be western or foreign). I'm sure they can handle a bit of bashing of western women or women in general without taking it personally (unless it applies, of course).
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Winston » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:34 am


Yeah but Johnny, what goes for the other forum isn't the same for this one. Put yourself in a woman's place. Would you want to come here to be bashed? Of course not. You have to be sensitive to that fact. Plus, this forum is supposed to be focused around women's issues and perspectives. You wouldn't want a woman coming into the main forum and bashing men would you?
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Johnny1975 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:42 am


Winston wrote:Yeah but Johnny, what goes for the other forum isn't the same for this one. Put yourself in a woman's place. Would you want to come here to be bashed? Of course not. You have to be sensitive to that fact. Plus, this forum is supposed to be focused around women's issues and perspectives. You wouldn't want a woman coming into the main forum and bashing men would you?


I wouldn't dream of bashing a decent women (western or foreign), and if the other guys on the main forum have any sense, they wouldn't either. So surely the real question is, are we going to have decent women here? If so, then the question of having a no woman bashing rule would be unnecessary.
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Winston » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:15 am


Johnny1975 wrote:
Winston wrote:Yeah but Johnny, what goes for the other forum isn't the same for this one. Put yourself in a woman's place. Would you want to come here to be bashed? Of course not. You have to be sensitive to that fact. Plus, this forum is supposed to be focused around women's issues and perspectives. You wouldn't want a woman coming into the main forum and bashing men would you?


I wouldn't dream of bashing a decent women (western or foreign), and if the other guys on the main forum have any sense, they wouldn't either. So surely the real question is, are we going to have decent women here? If so, then the question of having a no woman bashing rule would be unnecessary.


Of course. When have we ever attracted a bad woman or a feminist woman? Like attracts like, remember?

I'm not just talking about bashing female members. I'm talking about bashing women in general. If women see that, of course it will be a turn off. You have to be considerate and sensitive to their feelings in this regard.
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Renata » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:29 am


I don't like censorship Winston, but throwing out personal insults is just crass ... I've done it twice on your forum to shut people up but it's the not the right way to do things.

I welcome debate.

Lets leave everything to the wind' and see how the forum shapes up. 8-)
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Johnny1975 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:14 am


Renata wrote:I don't like censorship Winston, but throwing out personal insults is just crass ... I've done it twice on your forum to shut people up but it's the not the right way to do things.

I welcome debate.

Lets leave everything to the wind' and see how the forum shapes up. 8-)


I agree. Let's not try to solve a problem that doesn't exist, at least yet, and hopefully never. And if 2 people start arguing and it gets really heated, maybe you could have a section that you could tell them to go to and continue there, so as to not disrupt the thread. I've never seen that on a forum before (usually people just get banned), so it would be a nice quirk to have around here.
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Renata » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:41 am


Johnny1975 wrote:
Renata wrote:I don't like censorship Winston, but throwing out personal insults is just crass ... I've done it twice on your forum to shut people up but it's the not the right way to do things.

I welcome debate.

Lets leave everything to the wind' and see how the forum shapes up. 8-)


I agree. Let's not try to solve a problem that doesn't exist, at least yet, and hopefully never. And if 2 people start arguing and it gets really heated, maybe you could have a section that you could tell them to go to and continue there, so as to not disrupt the thread. I've never seen that on a forum before (usually people just get banned), so it would be a nice quirk to have around here.


Or if people start arguing over nonsense we could troll them & enter a code to remove all their vowels when they post LOL :lol: ... so they'll look like two retards typing gibrige :mrgreen: omg the things that enter my mind :twisted:
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Johnny1975 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:24 pm


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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Winston » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:30 am


Johnny,
Regardless of the free speech principles, you simply got to understand something. With women in general, you have to be more sensitive than with men. I mean, you don't talk to your male buddies the same way you talk to your female buddies right? Everyone knows that. That's just the way it is.

Therefore, it makes sense not to allow women bashing on here. I mean it's one thing to complain about women having an unfair advantage. But it's another to rant on an intense militant tirade as if anti-womenism were a religion.

The key point is that we cannot allow this place to descend into women bashing, which would alienate women from here. This is supposed to be their forum, and we have to be sensitive to that. Try to understand that.

Therefore, we cannot run this forum the same way we do with the other forum. After all, how would you like a ton of male bashing on the other forum?
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Johnny1975 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:39 am


Winston, you wrote a book and started a website which is all about bashing western women. There's a difference between justified, generalised bashing of western women, and just bashing women indiscriminately for the fun of it.

I would assume that any woman who joins this forum would understand what the concept behind it is, as well as the grievances that we have, and therefore not only have no problem with the justified, generalised bashing of western women, but actually agree with it. Unless this forum is just going to become another general women's forum, completely detached from your original concept.

I know you're trying to attract women here and you don't want to create a bad impression. But your whole concept is based on what can very reasonably be called bashing.

What kind of women do you want here anyway? Women who have no clue about why you think men would be happier abroad, or women who get it, and who agree with us that western women are mostly dysfunctional and deserve to be criticised? What if you had an influx of foreign women who start bashing western women? What then? Would their bashing not be justified?
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Entrepreneur » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:49 am


Johnny1975 wrote:I would assume that any woman who joins this forum would understand what the concept behind it is, as well as the grievances that we have, and therefore not only have no problem with the justified, generalised bashing of western women, but actually agree with it. Unless this forum is just going to become another general women's forum, completely detached from your original concept.


No. They won't understand. 95% of traffic from google will come here and bounce. Because they will not know what the hell is going on. And they'll think we're all complete assholes too. Women have had completely different life experiences than you. Therefore they are *nothing* like you at all. So stop expecting them to be. And if they watch the MSM (main stream media) it's even worse for us: they won't have a CLUE that this reality even EXISTS!

The also applies to foreign women. This is not exactly common knowledge you know. Even highly feminine women from traditional patriarchal societies. They have no way of getting access to or exposed to our ideas & concepts. Until one day they (luckily) discover HappierAbroad:

"Hmm. What's this place?? click .. click."

"We were all taught in geography & history class that the United States has the most free and model society in the world? But I though the U.S.A... :-\"

"Wait it's the center of GLobal Corruption & Evil?!? :o OMG!!"
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby NinjaPuppy » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:06 am


Entrepreneur wrote:"Wait it's the center of GLobal Corruption & Evil?!? :o OMG!!"[/i] <-- The uninitiated's reaction when discovering HA.

Sad but true. The more I read here, the more I am learning from these lovely ladies (and gentlemen) too many things that we Americans are clueless about. It's refreshing and wonderful to see young people who are so well versed and well traveled. That makes this forum fun. Having young people who are so very, very wise, well that makes me feel as if there is actually hope for the future of this planet.

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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Winston » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:40 am


Johnny1975 wrote:Winston, you wrote a book and started a website which is all about bashing western women. There's a difference between justified, generalised bashing of western women, and just bashing women indiscriminately for the fun of it.

I would assume that any woman who joins this forum would understand what the concept behind it is, as well as the grievances that we have, and therefore not only have no problem with the justified, generalised bashing of western women, but actually agree with it. Unless this forum is just going to become another general women's forum, completely detached from your original concept.

I know you're trying to attract women here and you don't want to create a bad impression. But your whole concept is based on what can very reasonably be called bashing.

What kind of women do you want here anyway? Women who have no clue about why you think men would be happier abroad, or women who get it, and who agree with us that western women are mostly dysfunctional and deserve to be criticised? What if you had an influx of foreign women who start bashing western women? What then? Would their bashing not be justified?


Yeah, but you miss the point. The purpose of this forum is to center and focus around WOMEN'S ISSUES AND PERSPECTIVES. It's not to validate everything I write in my ebook and website. You have to be realistic here. Women here are not going to care if foreign women are more approachable and down to earth. It's not an issue they are concerned about. If you want to talk about that, the guys on the main forum are the ones to talk to about it. They care about that issue.

When I say "no women bashing" here, I am referring to those vehement tirades such as that long thread in the other forum called "Boycott American Women". They don't belong here, for reasons I already mentioned. Constructive criticism or observation is another thing. For example, I can observe that in my experience, "foreign women are more down to earth, easier to connect with, and more approachable, etc." That is not bashing. That's my honest observation and experience. But it's another thing to create a thread with hateful tirades and diatribes against all women, or even all American women. You see the difference?

Just try to keep things civil here, and stop expecting that women care about the same issues that you do. The only common ground you may find with freethinking wise women is that modern western culture is screwed up, degenerate, and dysfunctional in many ways. Many women will also admit that America is a very isolated culture with no social connection, high mental illness, high loneliness rates, etc. They will also admit that when they go overseas to Mexico, Asia or Europe, they experienced far more social connection and that strangers are far more open and not paranoid. Tons of women I've met have agreed with that and can relate.

The type of women I want to attract here are:

1. Women who are happier abroad.
2. Women who are interested in foreign men and foreign cultures.
3. Foreign women who live abroad or immigrated to America and share some of our views.
4. Women who agree with us about the problems in America.
5. Freethinking women who seek truth and are open-minded.
6. Women against feminism and prefer being feminine.
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Re: Should we have a "no women bashing" rule here?

Postby Winston » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:57 am


Johnny,
Just to clarify something important: What this means is that essentially, this forum is like a "Ladies House" or "Ladies Home Base". This means that as a male, you are a GUEST here, and ought to act like one. This means that you can discuss and debate topics in a friendly manner, but you should not be pushing your views onto others like a missionary, or trying to proselytize. So please keep that in mind.

And as a guest in another's house, if you don't like something, you can always leave of course.

Also, try to keep in mind that you should try to discuss topics that the ladies are interested in too, not just ones that you are interested in. That way, you can keep yourself interesting.

Hope you understand. Thanks.
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