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After numerous years and countless back/forth threads on whether or not, the Americanized of women will go global, ala Singapore Inc ... is the only concrete piece of advice is that a guy should bang a wh@re before he goes nuts?

Because aside from that, everything else appears to be some ideology or religion.

No.

MarcosZeitola wrote:This is the type of overly negative scaremongering that causes apathy, lethargy and often downright depression in a lot of young men. The whole "everything is going to shit anyway, nothing I do matters, might as well bang whores and give up on any meaningful relationships, let alove love, altogether". The "why even bother?" mentality that seeps into your skin and ruins your outlook on life.

Meaningful advice would be to tell men to keep their options open. To not rule out any potential outcome. To not think all women are out to get them, all things bad will inevitably happen and to be willing to take risks. To not make out all American or Western women to be horrible harpies, and at the same be aware that not all women are the same everywhere... that not all cultures are always the same. Let people have their unicorns, their fairy tales, their hopes and dreams. Don't go shit all over it just because you can. Optimism is so fragile, so much easily broken then pessimism. Let people have their optimism. Cheer for those who still have it and are willing to work for their ideals.

I would advice men to not take too much of a dogmatic view, whether it be related to MGTOW, Happier Abroad or any other possible path. To be critical, especially of self-decribed professional critics such as Winston Wu and Sandman. To not take advice from men on why American women suck, when the ones giving the advice never even had an American woman. Above all, I would advice them to take off their tinfoil hats and stay away from all those who continue to compulsively wear them.

When he's not being a conservatard, Marcos strikes the anvil while it's still burning hot. 10/10.

S_Parc wrote:After numerous years and countless back/forth threads on whether or not, the Americanized of women will go global, ala Singapore Inc ... is the only concrete piece of advice is that a guy should bang a wh@re before he goes nuts?

It is probably to only reasonably universally doable and applicable advice. There would be other advice for particular individuals.

MarcosZeitola wrote:This is the type of overly negative scaremongering that causes apathy, lethargy and often downright depression in a lot of young men. The whole "everything is going to shit anyway, nothing I do matters, might as well bang whores and give up on any meaningful relationships, let alove love, altogether". The "why even bother?" mentality that seeps into your skin and ruins your outlook on life.

Meaningful advice would be to tell men to keep their options open. To not rule out any potential outcome. To not think all women are out to get them, all things bad will inevitably happen and to be willing to take risks. To not make out all American or Western women to be horrible harpies, and at the same be aware that not all women are the same everywhere... that not all cultures are always the same. Let people have their unicorns, their fairy tales, their hopes and dreams. Don't go shit all over it just because you can. Optimism is so fragile, so much easily broken then pessimism. Let people have their optimism. Cheer for those who still have it and are willing to work for their ideals.

I would advice men to not take too much of a dogmatic view, whether it be related to MGTOW, Happier Abroad or any other possible path. To be critical, especially of self-decribed professional critics such as Winston Wu and Sandman. To not take advice from men on why American women suck, when the ones giving the advice never even had an American woman. Above all, I would advice them to take off their tinfoil hats and stay away from all those who continue to compulsively wear them.

In my other thread, I'd mentioned a 50 year old Bostonian male, a successful computer consultant, who's MGTOW and banging wh@res up in Canada. Take a guess at who his good friends are locally? Yes, it's Mel and myself.

In reality, as time goes by, more and more men will find that to be their default condition. Sure, you'd execute on the Colonel Kurtz (Marlon Brando of 'Apocalypse Now') M.O. and built a little kingdom in the Philippines but as time goes by, that 'Mutiny on the Bounty' world will go away.

Look, we're at the end of a 4 day Thanksgiving long weekend. Mel and I have been to numerous gatherings with couples all over (NH/Mass/RI). Guess what? We were the only ones, truly happy and natural. A lot of that had to do with a multi-year friendship, long before a relationship.

Everyone else, was going through some phase or another. Seriously, if the divorce rate creeps from 50 to 70% within the next two decades, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Our 50 year old friend knows that we're the *only* real deal out there. He affirmed it, esp during these past few days. And yes, to some extent, he's minutely aware of Mel's original sexual orientation though he attributes it as more bi-curious but that's besides the point. The point is that even he sees that it's BS out there. If so many ppl can't get it right ... shouldn't a guy start out with wh@res and then later, decide if a relationship is worth it?

S_Parc wrote:

MarcosZeitola wrote:This is the type of overly negative scaremongering that causes apathy, lethargy and often downright depression in a lot of young men. The whole "everything is going to shit anyway, nothing I do matters, might as well bang whores and give up on any meaningful relationships, let alove love, altogether". The "why even bother?" mentality that seeps into your skin and ruins your outlook on life.

Meaningful advice would be to tell men to keep their options open. To not rule out any potential outcome. To not think all women are out to get them, all things bad will inevitably happen and to be willing to take risks. To not make out all American or Western women to be horrible harpies, and at the same be aware that not all women are the same everywhere... that not all cultures are always the same. Let people have their unicorns, their fairy tales, their hopes and dreams. Don't go shit all over it just because you can. Optimism is so fragile, so much easily broken then pessimism. Let people have their optimism. Cheer for those who still have it and are willing to work for their ideals.

I would advice men to not take too much of a dogmatic view, whether it be related to MGTOW, Happier Abroad or any other possible path. To be critical, especially of self-decribed professional critics such as Winston Wu and Sandman. To not take advice from men on why American women suck, when the ones giving the advice never even had an American woman. Above all, I would advice them to take off their tinfoil hats and stay away from all those who continue to compulsively wear them.

In my other thread, I'd mentioned a 50 year old Bostonian male, a successful computer consultant, who's MGTOW and banging wh@res up in Canada. Take a guess at who his good friends are locally? Yes, it's Mel and myself.

In reality, as time goes by, more and more men will find that to be their default condition. Sure, you'd execute on the Colonel Kurtz (Marlon Brando of 'Apocalypse Now') M.O. and built a little kingdom in the Philippines but as time goes by, that 'Mutiny on the Bounty' world will go away.

Look, we're at the end of a 4 day Thanksgiving long weekend. Mel and I have been to numerous gatherings with couples all over (NH/Mass/RI). Guess what? We were the only ones, truly happy and natural. A lot of that had to do with a multi-year friendship, long before a relationship.

Everyone else, was going through some phase or another. Seriously, if the divorce rate creeps from 50 to 70% within the next two decades, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Our 50 year old friend knows that we're the *only* real deal out there. He affirmed it, esp during these past few days. And yes, to some extent, he's minutely aware of Mel's original sexual orientation though he attributes it as more bi-curious but that's besides the point. The point is that even he sees that it's BS out there. If so many ppl can't get it right ... shouldn't a guy start out with wh@res and then later, decide if a relationship is worth it?

You're an underrated poster. I didn't notice you until now. You have good film tastes as your avatar indicates, so why did I not notice you sooner? Anyway, I'm happy for you and Mel. Based on what you've told me, she's a real catch. I'm not even being sarcastic. The fact that you've managed to go against the HA grain and come out better than the few who are in fact HA is lovely. There is still hope yet out there for the young cats who seek something a little more local! I look forward to future discussions with you.

S_Parc wrote:After numerous years and countless back/forth threads on whether or not, the Americanized of women will go global, ala Singapore Inc ... is the only concrete piece of advice is that a guy should bang a wh@re before he goes nuts?

Because aside from that, everything else appears to be some ideology or religion.

MarcosZeitola wrote:

S_Parc wrote:If so many ppl can't get it right ... shouldn't a guy start out with wh@res and then later, decide if a relationship is worth it?

Let's say you have an 18 year old guy. Never dated anyone. Never had sex. He loses his virginity to a prostitute, keeps on working and studying and uses escorts from time to time. This is his introduction to sex, and if he never gets out there, it's the only sex he'll ever know. He will go into his grave never having felt a girls warm touch, never having known a womans love, and all the sex he had in his life will have come with a receipt. You make it sound like a victory, to me it's an admission of defeat.

I don't think prostitution is the way to go. I never have and never will make use of prostitution in my life. I have seen stories on the internet, of young men who went this path. Some are so delusional they believe the stories the whores tell them... that they would totally do it for free, they like it so much, it's "so different with you then with the other customers!" and they still end up paying their hard earned money for fleeting moment of fake affection.

What a young man needs to grow and move forward in life, is intimacy and validation. For that he has to date, talk to and sleep with real women. Women he may pay a meal for, put can also have sex with afterwards without their exchange of bodily fluids being followed by an exchange of dollars. When I lost my virginity, I was a teenager. The girl wanted my broke a** because she was attracted to me physically. What does it do to a young man's self esteem when after his first time, he's charged for the hour? When he knows that if it wasn't for the wallet he fishes out of his jeans, the girl he just busted a nut in would never have given him the time of day? That, to me, would be devastating.

Here's the thing Marcos, you'd never grown up in the family like my own. Honestly, getting away from psycho dad/sister and clinically depressed mom, were a far greater priority than any woman's touch.

And thus, you don't really understand the conceptual framework of priorities. Whenever I see a relationship and then, see all the traits (granted more moderate than the Jerry Springer cases at home) of dysfunction, I roll my eyes and move on. You see, that's what's going on under the hood.

Whether or not it's a hoe or a GF, doesn't really matter versus getting oneself started and off the ground so to speak. Of prior relationships, Mel was the only woman, who knew that my toxic home situation needed to be fully contained, not too different from a demilitarized zone or a medical quarantine. When I look at vast majority of women, they can't think like that. And thus, I wonder, if I didn't have Mel, wouldn't I be better off w/o one than in attempting to justify why my family and I live orthogonal lives, again and again?

BlackKnight wrote:

S_Parc wrote:After numerous years and countless back/forth threads on whether or not, the Americanized of women will go global, ala Singapore Inc ... is the only concrete piece of advice is that a guy should bang a wh@re before he goes nuts?

Because aside from that, everything else appears to be some ideology or religion.

Worship = > Young, Dumb, and full of cum, though not in that order

MarcosZeitola wrote:He will go into his grave never having felt a girls warm touch, never having known a womans love, and all the sex he had in his life will have come with a receipt. You make it sound like a victory, to me it's an admission of defeat.

Actually, everything you say sounds like *Young, Dumb, and full of cum*.

Here are some of my great love moments ...

When Mel and I reviewed my homework assignments. These are the ones she did, so that I could get to sleep by midnight during a busy stretch.

When we shoveled snow for our neighbors, who were not so physically fit.

Yes, shucking Oysters.

Have you noticed that none of the above had to do with *sex*, feeling a *touch*, and all that hormonal stuff?

The reason why so many ppl, after let's say 35, can't have real relationships with women is because they need to continuously pump the hormone/endorphin secretions and not learn how to be real friends. And the truth is that hormones are not enough, to keep things going after that age.

S_Parc wrote:And thus, you don't really understand the conceptual framework of priorities. Whenever I see a relationship and then, see all the traits (granted more moderate than the Jerry Springer cases at home) of dysfunction, I roll my eyes and move on. You see, that's what's going on under the hood.

I really can't underline and co-sign this enough. I could frame it in 1000 lifetimes and it STILL wouldn't be enough. It's sad that the only person on here with a western lover is probably the straightest shooter and the realest poster here. I don't see what's so hard to grasp with the concept of thinking with your brain. If you see BS, shut it down. It really is that simple. Why we need a bunch of threads basically titled "1000 and 1 western whores" with just as many ways they suck to boot is beyond me.

MarcosZeitola wrote:

S_Parc wrote:In my other thread, I'd mentioned a 50 year old Bostonian male, a successful computer consultant, who's MGTOW and banging wh@res up in Canada.

I am well-aware of your 50 year old Bostonian MGTOW friend, as you seem to mention him about every other post since that thread. I'm not questioning his choices, but I do believe him to be an outlier. We cannot realistically expect every young man to take the same road as he did, and still come out a happy man. A great many men in his situation would be miserable and have a strong sense of longing for the love life and family they could have had but gave up on. His solution is primarily that: his solution. It's not a universal solution.

S_Parc wrote:If so many ppl can't get it right ... shouldn't a guy start out with wh@res and then later, decide if a relationship is worth it?

Let's say you have an 18 year old guy. Never dated anyone. Never had sex. He loses his virginity to a prostitute, keeps on working and studying and uses escorts from time to time. This is his introduction to sex, and if he never gets out there, it's the only sex he'll ever know. He will go into his grave never having felt a girls warm touch, never having known a womans love, and all the sex he had in his life will have come with a receipt. You make it sound like a victory, to me it's an admission of defeat.

I don't think prostitution is the way to go. I never have and never will make use of prostitution in my life. I have seen stories on the internet, of young men who went this path. Some are so delusional they believe the stories the whores tell them... that they would totally do it for free, they like it so much, it's "so different with you then with the other customers!" and they still end up paying their hard earned money for fleeting moment of fake affection.

What a young man needs to grow and move forward in life, is intimacy and validation. For that he has to date, talk to and sleep with real women. Women he may pay a meal for, put can also have sex with afterwards without their exchange of bodily fluids being followed by an exchange of dollars. When I lost my virginity, I was a teenager. The girl wanted my broke a** because she was attracted to me physically. What does it do to a young man's self esteem when after his first time, he's charged for the hour? When he knows that if it wasn't for the wallet he fishes out of his jeans, the girl he just busted a nut in would never have given him the time of day? That, to me, would be devastating.

For years the AW toyed with my heart like a cat plays with a dead mouse. Now I see they were looking for validation from me, while scarring me for life, with their flakiness and emotional abuse. A few women have done this, and I always gravitated towards them. I realize now that I should have never even bothered with most of these women to begin with, because they are not for me (something that I won't bother explaining but they were not my type). I overlooked every flaw I saw in them, primarily their lack of beauty (I never judged women by looks, and I was willing to give almost any woman a chance). I was desperate and looking for any woman to love me.

Meanwhile, they flirted with my for attention, but as soon as I would try to make something greater of it (like a relationship), they'd flake or invoke the boyfriend rule. That's fine for them, but for me, that was still rejection. That's because they didnt view me as a person. They viewed me as an object by which they could gain validation of their beauty (or what beauty they have).

I stopped approaching women for years because I realized that you can not trust the approach invitation of American women if when they send a positive signal, you approach, and then they say they have a boyfriend (cause they just want to flirt to see how sexy they are), or because they are afraid (cowards who will then find a flaw in the man, enlarge it, then say that is the reason they are flaking, rather than admit they are afraid to let the man touch them). Only American women will do this. That burned me for nearly a decade of my life.

The sad thing for each of those women is that for every one that I have kept tabs on, their lives are in ruins. One woman who completely disrespected me, and believe me, I wished I was dead afterwards, well now, she has PTSD because she claims someone raped her. That would be justice, IMO. She played the hearts of dozens or hundreds of men, treating them like toys and garbage. Someone came along and treated her like garbage, which may prevent her from emotionally screwing over dozens more men in the future, because she will be too traumatized to allow another man touch her.

Another one graduated from school but could never pass the state exam to be able to work. Someone lost many thousands paying her education. The ironic part is that during school, I was older and broke, and she made fun of me for that. Now she is the age I was, without any prospects.

Another girl who tried to get me on sexual harassment after I lost interest in her (she presented with some behavior I didnt like, she said she had a BF; she was expecting me to wait until they broke up, but I am not one of those guys who will sit and wait). She was about an 8, which means she's the type that American men love. Beautiful but not intimidatingly beautiful, but just right. She would brag about how many men hit on her, and she was only 19. After I lost interest, she claimed sexual harassment. Too bad for her though, it was known that she is a whore. Her accusation started up the rumor mill, and although I was automatically found guilty by the court of public opinion in the beginning, in the end, it became known to everyone that she is an absolutely filthy whore, having had sex with many of the men who worked at that job, and with it being known that outside of work, she was hooking up with multiple men every week. It is so bad that she later got pregnant and she had no clue who the father of her son is.

American women will not get away with their crimes against men. They are hurting other people, and in turn they and their children (and possibly even their grand children) will have to face the consequences of what they have done. If you do not believe me, look at the statistics of what happens to children of single mothers. Justice will be done. There's no one that escapes that.

Treat other people the way you want to be treated. That especially means treat them like humans, rather than objects to be used, discarded, or injured because your ego demands it.

MarcosZeitola wrote:
What a young man needs to grow and move forward in life, is intimacy and validation. For that he has to date, talk to and sleep with real women. Women he may pay a meal for, put can also have sex with afterwards without their exchange of bodily fluids being followed by an exchange of dollars. When I lost my virginity, I was a teenager. The girl wanted my broke a** because she was attracted to me physically. What does it do to a young man's self esteem when after his first time, he's charged for the hour? When he knows that if it wasn't for the wallet he fishes out of his jeans, the girl he just busted a nut in would never have given him the time of day? That, to me, would be devastating.

A man needs a woman to love him. I think this needs to be accomplished in the late teen years for most men to function properly in a developmental sense. If a man reaches age 20 without having had a woman touch him, it may cause him to make poor decisions he might not have otherwise made. Having sex with a prostitute is really an act of desperation. That is what it is. At least most of the time. I can not speak for those who have girlfriends and wives who visit prostitutes with them. I am saying for the average young man, it isnt a decision which they have weighed in their mind. It is a desire which must be fulfilled.

The problem with women (and men) is that most aren't looking for love or a relationship. They are simply looking for that validation. Validation from love is good. Validation that comes from hurting another person (through trickery mainly) is not love for anyone. Lots of women want the validation, but they do not want to exchange love for love. They want it to be one sided. The man gives, the woman takes, but gives nothing in return.

Part of my learning experience in this life has been distinguishing between the women who want validation and have love to give, versus those women who want validation but will give back pain for a man's efforts to bring her closer.

And that experience tells me to give all women the one-strike rule. At the first instance of disrespect, the relationship must end. If she's argumentative, unwilling to return phone calls yet insists she's interested, claims she just wants to be friends one minute but is interested again later, if she ever says anything terrible about you in an effort to make herself look better, if she says she will be somewhere but she doesnt show up and doesnt call you beforehand to tell you, if she says anything about how her time is valuable and she's unavailable as the woman, or any thing similar to that, then she absolutely must be forgotten immediately. Broken spirits only want to break the spirits of others. They are not interested in reconciliation, unity, compromise or working together. Those women will destroy you, and take great pleasure in doing so, if you attempt to bring them closer after they've shown you they do not want to be close. This is why "the chase" is complete bull. The chase empowers women to perform all sorts of trickery, and the man will play along, because he thinks it is normal.

No, the chase means you're dealing with a game player, and the sport for her is your heart, your emotions, your time, your feelings, and your future. She will toy with a man as long as he will entertain her.

Adama wrote:

MarcosZeitola wrote:
What a young man needs to grow and move forward in life, is intimacy and validation. For that he has to date, talk to and sleep with real women. Women he may pay a meal for, put can also have sex with afterwards without their exchange of bodily fluids being followed by an exchange of dollars. When I lost my virginity, I was a teenager. The girl wanted my broke a** because she was attracted to me physically. What does it do to a young man's self esteem when after his first time, he's charged for the hour? When he knows that if it wasn't for the wallet he fishes out of his jeans, the girl he just busted a nut in would never have given him the time of day? That, to me, would be devastating.

A man needs a woman to love him. I think this needs to be accomplished in the late teen years for most men to function properly in a developmental sense. If a man reaches age 20 without having had a woman touch him, it may cause him to make poor decisions he might not have otherwise made. Having sex with a prostitute is really an act of desperation. That is what it is.

Actually Adama, since I'd two GFs in college, I would disagree.

The problem is that even a very confident guy ... meaning one with all the right accolades (sports, academics, internships) can get dished on by women for arbitrary reasons. But then, if that guy turns around and tells the b*tch that 'what's made her the Gloria Steinem of her generation', is she all Dean's List (Phi Beta Kappa/Tau Beta Pi) published in national journals, a top intern at some ABC corp, the chances are, she'll turn on the guy and call him a mean spirited person.

In our society, a guy is better off, being successful at all the usual things: schoolwork, internships, extracurriculars, etc, bang hoes and then, look down upon women. In time, those nasty women will start to respect this guy, for *not caring* for them.

Marcos will never understand this principle, because he didn't grow up in America. I knew an American guy, with limited success at dating women in Boston, who had no problems in Amsterdam.

I would maybe start F-ing with S_Parc here. For him to turn a yank lesbo into a girlfriend and make it work means he's doing something right. Y'all need to start f***ing with the real niggahs.