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International Dating Coach

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This guy is an international dating coach who offers coaching on foreign relationships, specializing in the women of Ukraine. I know when I first got started with corresponding and traveling to Colombia it would have been nice to hear from someone who has gone before me.

https://foreigndatinghelp.com/
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TD-40 wrote:
March 16th, 2018, 6:26 pm
This guy is an international dating coach who offers coaching on foreign relationships, specializing in the women of Ukraine. I know when I first got started with corresponding and traveling to Colombia it would have been nice to hear from someone who has gone before me.

https://foreigndatinghelp.com/
There are more and more people getting into the dating/matchmaking business in Ukraine these days. Some of them are compete scams, some are incompetent and a few may be useful. Hard to sort out which is which.
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Well this guy is a friend of mine. I am helping him create this website. He likes Ukraine while I like Colombia. I have watched him travel to Ukraine and many of the relationships that he has had over the years, and with my experience in Colombia I think most people would agree that long distance relationships are complicated. If you mix in women from foreign countries who come from different cultures, there's a very good chance that your attempt to create a meaningful relationship will fail. I don't have enough experience yet to really coach anyone but I am figuring out that this is much more complicated than what is advertised.

What we see advertised is the dream, or what I like to call "the sizzle." But what needs to be understood is "the steak," or the real meat on what guys need to know to really make this happen. I think guys who are serious about relationships with foreign women should consider spending time with those who have been doing it for a few years. You will learn a lot and I've learned a lot from him myself.
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TD-40 wrote:
March 17th, 2018, 8:19 pm
.....I think most people would agree that long distance relationships are complicated. If you mix in women from foreign countries who come from different cultures, there's a very good chance that your attempt to create a meaningful relationship will fail.
I do not think a relationship with a foreign woman is more complicated compared to a relationship with a local girl next door in Western countries.
I would say it is more likely the opposite.
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I don't like to poop on others' fledgling business ideas, but sometimes ya just gotta do it. Here are my thoughts:

1. I see nothing on his website that shows he has had a single successful relationship. If he were married, I think that would be selling point #1.

2. Judging by his photos, he's a good looking guy. We can assume he is comfortable in social situations. On what basis should we expect he knows how to help those who are not ?

3. Why doesn't he come to this website and post, instead of a friend ?

I'm not saying this guy is the worst guy in the world taking advantage of people, but I just think people who are in a position where they are willing to pay for coaching will find this to be another disappointment and waste of their money.
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LFL wrote:
March 18th, 2018, 4:36 am
I don't like to poop on others' fledgling business ideas, but sometimes ya just gotta do it. Here are my thoughts:

1. I see nothing on his website that shows he has had a single successful relationship. If he were married, I think that would be selling point #1.

2. Judging by his photos, he's a good looking guy. We can assume he is comfortable in social situations. On what basis should we expect he knows how to help those who are not ?

3. Why doesn't he come to this website and post, instead of a friend ?

I'm not saying this guy is the worst guy in the world taking advantage of people, but I just think people who are in a position where they are willing to pay for coaching will find this to be another disappointment and waste of their money.
To be fair, what's the definition of a successful relationship? As for him being married, he could falsely claim to be if he so wished and still be single.

I think it's wise to be wary though but for $50 - $75 per hour (1-3 hours depending on questions) it's certainly a better and a less risky option than zooming over to the Ukraine and jumping the gun by spending thousands on a romance tour and the like.

I haven't dated in the Ukraine but I have done so in the Philippines. The number one piece of advice I would give is to know the pitfalls before you embark on dating abroad. I especially like his point about being emotionally prepared, and not to focus on a solitary woman, although the "Why you shouldn't fall in love before you meet" should be altered as "Why you shouldn't fall in love before you get to know her really well".

I've just noticed that he's based in Oregon, has no business address and expects payment upfront which might raise a few eyebrows amongst some. Having said that, it doesn't automatically make him a scammer.

If he is genuine, I say good luck to him because it's not a bad idea if it's implemented properly.
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LFL wrote:
March 18th, 2018, 4:36 am
I don't like to poop on others' fledgling business ideas, but sometimes ya just gotta do it. Here are my thoughts:

1. I see nothing on his website that shows he has had a single successful relationship. If he were married, I think that would be selling point #1.

2. Judging by his photos, he's a good looking guy. We can assume he is comfortable in social situations. On what basis should we expect he knows how to help those who are not ?

3. Why doesn't he come to this website and post, instead of a friend ?

I'm not saying this guy is the worst guy in the world taking advantage of people, but I just think people who are in a position where they are willing to pay for coaching will find this to be another disappointment and waste of their money.
Fair points.
1. He has had long term relationships but they haven't turned into marriage yet.
2. Another good question. I'll pass this along to him.
3. He works three jobs so he can afford to correspond and travel to Ukraine. I don't know if he'll have time but I'll mention it to him.

I would consider coaching to be a very small price to pay in order to learn some important things right off the bat. You can learn these things on your own after probably a couple of years and tens of thousands of dollars spent. I look at the economics of it all.
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LFL wrote:
March 18th, 2018, 4:36 am
Fair points.
1. He has had long term relationships but they haven't turned into marriage yet.
2. Another good question. I'll pass this along to him.
3. He works three jobs so he can afford to correspond and travel to Ukraine. I don't know if he'll have time but I'll mention it to him.
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If he has to work three jobs he will not be able to maintain a lady like this. He may be able to have a few dates but nothing long term.
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Just read the blog at Elena's Models for free. Hundreds of articles about how to date and find a wife in FSU, including Ukraine. You can also get her guidebook, with some additional useful information, free as part of the $300 3 month platinum membership. There is also plenty of free information here on HA, the RVF Ukraine threads (oriented towards pump and dump PUAs), International Sex Guide (oriented towards mongering), other websites.

Most men traveling to Ukraine seeking wives are in desperate need of psychological help, however the first step towards healing mental illness is to admit there is a problem, and most of these guys, including all the guys on those romance tours, are in a deep state of denial as to their craziness. Furthermore, dating coaches are unlikely to be of assistance in providing the needed psychological help, but on the contrary, are more likely to exacerbate the craziness. Best idea is just read the web sources I listed above and then travel to Ukraine alone and hope time and feet on the ground experience will bring about the needed introspection and mental self-healing.
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retiredfrank wrote:
March 18th, 2018, 9:32 am
Most men traveling to Ukraine seeking wives are in desperate need of psychological help, however the first step towards healing mental illness is to admit there is a problem, and most of these guys, including all the guys on those romance tours, are in a deep state of denial as to their craziness. Furthermore, dating coaches are unlikely to be of assistance in providing the needed psychological help, but on the contrary, are more likely to exacerbate the craziness. Best idea is just read the web sources I listed above and then travel to Ukraine alone and hope time and feet on the ground experience will bring about the needed introspection and mental self-healing.
Men who visit women in Ukraine need psychological help? Where do you get that from?
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TD-40 wrote:
March 18th, 2018, 10:12 am
retiredfrank wrote:
March 18th, 2018, 9:32 am
Most men traveling to Ukraine seeking wives are in desperate need of psychological help,
Men who visit women in Ukraine need psychological help? Where do you get that from?
I said MOST, not all, and you also left off the part about seeking wives. That sort of misconstruing dishonesty is the mark of a scammer, which suggests this dating coach you are associated with is also a scammer.

I visit Ukraine myself, but I'm a monger not a wife seeker, and I certainly never even considered taking a tour like Snede or Steve Neese. Those are the types of guys who need psychological help to figure out why they can't do things on their own but instead need personal assistance every inch of the way like a frightened three year old. Hiring a dating coach is still more counter productive hand holding. Men who can't even investigate the situation and travel to Ukraine on their own are clearly not ready to marry a woman from there. But whatever, I'm not going to argue with a scammer type who misconstrues my posts, so go ahead and have the last word, TD-40, if you want.
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these PUA and dating gurus are all FULL OF SHIT.

You want sex? Easy. Go to a brothel in Bangkok or Tijuana or wherever, take a viagra one hour before, then choose your girl, take her in the room, put on a condom, and f**k her brains out. Costs only like 30 or 40 dollars in Asia and Mexico.

DONT buy prostitutes in America. They are overpriced, have shitty attitudes, and may be an undercover cop.
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Re: International Dating Coach

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retiredfrank wrote:
March 22nd, 2018, 12:12 pm
TD-40 wrote:
March 18th, 2018, 10:12 am
retiredfrank wrote:
March 18th, 2018, 9:32 am
Most men traveling to Ukraine seeking wives are in desperate need of psychological help,
Men who visit women in Ukraine need psychological help? Where do you get that from?
I said MOST, not all, and you also left off the part about seeking wives. That sort of misconstruing dishonesty is the mark of a scammer, which suggests this dating coach you are associated with is also a scammer.

I visit Ukraine myself, but I'm a monger not a wife seeker, and I certainly never even considered taking a tour like Snede or Steve Neese. Those are the types of guys who need psychological help to figure out why they can't do things on their own but instead need personal assistance every inch of the way like a frightened three year old. Hiring a dating coach is still more counter productive hand holding. Men who can't even investigate the situation and travel to Ukraine on their own are clearly not ready to marry a woman from there. But whatever, I'm not going to argue with a scammer type who misconstrues my posts, so go ahead and have the last word, TD-40, if you want.
People join those tour groups because they are organized ways of meeting a lot of women in one evening. You can strike out on your own if you want but I will bet that by being part of a group you will meet more women. Or do some combination of both. There's nothing about psychological help in this at all. You don't have to do the tour groups either since there are websites for letters and chat as well. There is a lot to learn about foreign dating and it would be wise for some guys who are inexperienced with it to get counsel from someone before embarking on this dream. And no I wasn't intentionally trying to "misconstrue" your post.
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