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I saw advertisements online in the EU and now Mexico for Brand New cars!!!

$7,000 USD ($140,000 Pesos) in Mexico for a new car.

In the EU, 10,000 Euros can buy a new car. Even if it was 20,000 Euros, it would still be less expensive than a new car in the United States.

https://www.ccarprice.com/eu/car-prices ... -10000.php

Why is it that everything in the United States is extremely expensive?

In other nations they include the taxes into the price. In the United States you have to add on extra for the taxes that go to the government.

Why is America expensive when the majority of the nation is homeless, in poverty, working poor, or live paycheck to paycheck?

Vehicles are not expensive in Japan. No idea how much in USA.

You can buy a rather small, but brandnew car for about USD 8500,-, but many, very good used cars/motorcycles are always available for USD 4500,- or much less for cars/and USD 2500 or less around for motorcycles (small/medium size up to 400 cc).

The point is however what you have to pay for keeping it running, like road tax, insurance, parking space (obligatory in all Japan, otherwise no number plate), service, fuel, 2-year inspection etc.

My Suzuki Swift car is running since 4 years without any repair, directly bought from an authorized Suzuki dealer, which are always more expensive than general used-car shops, with 1 year guarantee and I paid USD 4.200,- it was used for about 15000 miles, no damages at all, best condition.
Just for oil-change and obligatory inspection, invoice about 50 USD (6 months) and USD 120,- (12 months) directly done by authorized Suzuki dealer near my home.

Simple car wash by automatic carwash machine near my home is only USD 1,-.

My motorcycle, Suzuki Skywave250 is running since 7 years, only a few small repairs/1x battery change and tire-change and break pads etc., I bought it used, with 12000 miles, for about USD 2.500,-.

It has windprotection screen and wind protection for hands, grip-heater, USB for charging camera and mobile phone, big trunk and box, excellent lights for riding during night time, creditcard reader for highway toll etc.

Yohan wrote: ↑

August 27th, 2021, 12:06 am

Vehicles are not expensive in Japan. No idea how much in USA.

$25,000 is the typical cost on the low end. Maybe $20,000 is still possible. Then there's state sales tax which will increase the price. Then, some places also have city and county sales taxes to increase the cost higher. Car dealerships in America always increase their price above the MSRP.

Cars are cheaper in Mexico due to labour costs. American cars cost more because they are built by people who earn first world wages.

Most people don’t understand what goes into making a vehicle, especially before components arrive from on the assembly line from suppliers.

Back in 2002 I was working as a toolmaker, producing plastic injection moulds for Holden (GM).

Take a simple part like the plastic liners that sit above the front wheels in a cars fender. It probably costs $5 each in material costs, but before one part is produced the Holden engineers are paid to design and model the part via CAD.

The model is then sent to another company that specialises in tool / die design. Their engineers spend hundreds of hours designing a very complex mould. The model of the mould is then sent to a foundry where an 10 ton male half of the mould and a 8 tone female half are cast out of expensive P20 grade of steel.

The model and castings are then sent on to the company I worked for, where well over 1000 hours of machining, polishing, bedding and assembling is done to the castings. That includes producing and fitting the supporting hot runner, cooling and part ejection systems.

When the mould is finally complete and ready for production it gets sent to a moulding company and is placed in a $10 million dollar plastic injection machine. Test parts are produced and often the mould needs modifications so it’s sent back to the toolmaking company for further machining @ $120-150 an hour.

The cost to GM for the front wheel liner design and tooling, before one car rolls of the production line, is well over half a million dollars. Now think about how many cars they have to sell just to cover the costs for that one tool and there are hundreds of plastic parts in a car (many are smaller less expensive moulds), before you even think about body panel dies and cast engine component patterns.

Seriously, it's amusing how dumb this guy is. It's like he has no brain at all! Because of labor costs, cars are less expensive in Mexico and Europe. In 2022, the Eurozone average monthly wage per worker is expected to be around 2000 EUR! In general, the average monthly pay ranges from 8,410 MXN (lowest) to 1,48,000 MXN/$2376.6 (highest national average) or $13.63 per hour in Mexico. The average salary in California is $5,196 per month, whereas in Florida it is $4,325 per month.

Dumb as a rock.

Italianman wrote: ↑

August 27th, 2021, 5:31 pm

Seriously, it's amusing how dumb this guy is. It's like he has no brain at all! Because of labor costs, cars are less expensive in Mexico and Europe. In 2022, the Eurozone average monthly wage per worker is expected to be around 2000 EUR! In general, the average monthly pay ranges from 8,410 MXN (lowest) to 1,48,000 MXN/$2376.6 (highest national average) or $13.63 per hour in Mexico. The average salary in California is $5,196 per month, whereas in Florida it is $4,325 per month.

Dumb as a rock.

You're the one that is dumber than a rock.

California had a homeless epidemic. Of course California has the highest average salary. It has the highest cost of living and $60,000 is nothing in a city like Los Angeles or San Francisco. Average is not accurate. The median salary is usually more accurate.

And you didn't proofread your numbers. You forgot a digit.

You're also wrong about the average monthly wage. It is much higher than that, Europeans have more job security when hired, and many more benefits.

You really need to shut the f**k up.

California has a population of 39 million people and 162k homeless people from all over the country. Where's the epidemic? You can't do basic math retard? Nowhere else can you live on the street year-round and get food and enjoy nice weather. So they come by the truck load.

The average salary in San Francisco, CA is $101k. Minimum wage in San Francisco is $17/hr. You have janitors making $270K a year with overtime pay.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/b ... t/2010727/

The average salary in Los Angeles, CA is $78k but that includes people who are completely f***ing retarded, like you, who can't do basic math or get laid. People who are competent CAN easily make over $150,000yr or $12k a month. So who gives a f**k about lazy retards. Get smarter or f**k off. America is for winners! if you're mediocre Europe is probably better for you.

The average monthly wages in Europe are easy to look up, retard. If you look at individual states you get various RESULTS

https://housinganywhere.com/Italy/average-salary-italy

Dumb as a rock

Italianman wrote: ↑

August 27th, 2021, 10:05 pm

You really need to shut the f**k up.

California has a population of 39 million people and 162k homeless people from all over the country. Where's the epidemic? You can't do basic math retard? Nowhere else can you live on the street year-round and get food and enjoy nice weather. So they come by the truck load.

How about Honolulu? The weather is even better there, and they have their share of homeless people. I hear some years back, Cleveland Ohio realized it was cheaper to give homeless people tickets to Hawaii than to give them benefits. I kept thinking Hawaii should have developed a program to send homesick homeless people back to Cleveland in May when they weather started to feel nice on the mainland.

Italianman wrote: ↑

August 27th, 2021, 10:05 pm

You really need to shut the f**k up.

California has a population of 39 million people and 162k homeless people from all over the country. Where's the epidemic? You can't do basic math retard? Nowhere else can you live on the street year-round and get food and enjoy nice weather. So they come by the truck load.

The average salary in San Francisco, CA is $101k. Minimum wage in San Francisco is $17/hr. You have janitors making $270K a year with overtime pay.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/b ... t/2010727/

The average salary in Los Angeles, CA is $78k but that includes people who are completely f***ing retarded, like you, who can't do basic math or get laid. People who are competent CAN easily make over $150,000yr or $12k a month. So who gives a f**k about lazy retards. Get smarter or f**k off. America is for winners! if you're mediocre Europe is probably better for you.

The average monthly wages in Europe are easy to look up, retard. If you look at individual states you get various RESULTS

https://housinganywhere.com/Italy/average-salary-italy

Dumb as a rock

@Winston

PAG is being completely disrespectful and insulting again. I think he needs a warning again.

@PAG (the fake @Italianman)

America isn't for winners. 80% of America is poorer than other nations. 10% might be equal. Only 10% of America earns more and can have more.

PAG, you should rename yourself AmericanMan or CaliforniaGuy because you always try to make it seem like America is #1. Maybe ObamasPetMonkey because it's clear you don't think or have much of a brain.

Italy as an example, exempts a person's primary home from property tax if it is under 500,000 Euros. People in Italy and the EU get National Healthcare which Italy is among the best in the world with healthcare along with France and Japan. People almost have generational wealth in Europe. In America most people need to sell their homes because if they own one they can't afford the property taxes. Sales tax makes products more expensive. Being ordinary is realistic because anything more is luck and most of the world knows that. America teaches people a myth which is anyone can become a megamillionaire or a billionaire so the stupid love the system that oppresses them. Higher education is free or completely affordable. College textbooks don't cost hundreds or even more than one thousand dollars a semester in Europe or most of the world.

America ranks #38 or #40 in healthcare the last time I checked the UN rankings. Socioeconomic mobility is the lowest in the West, unless you consider downward socioeconomic mobility, then America is #1 in socioeconomic mobility. LoL

America is a Dying Empire!

It's almost like you're a Democrat version of Trump's MAGA.

Maybe I should call you CAG. Claims America is Great. Maybe you I should call you Black Man With a Plan after the angry Man with a Plan.

You're dumb and he's angry. You two should team up because you would kill each other after a few hours trapped somewhere together.

Huddo wrote: ↑

August 27th, 2021, 4:53 pm

Cars are cheaper in Mexico due to labour costs. American cars cost more because they are built by people who earn first world wages.

That doesn't explain why cars would be cheaper in the higher income nations of the European Union and Japan. Those are first world nations. Even if the cars were equal in price to America, which they aren't, the VAT is already built in, effectively making it cheaper since America adds sales tax to the purchase price.

How can that make sense? Is it just because America is exceptionally greedy?

How can America have the most poverty out of any Western nation but have the highest prices on many essential things and even some non-essential things compared all comparable nations?