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Outcast9428 wrote:
November 30th, 2022, 1:14 pm
Oh yeah, Mercer is just a blackhole. I’m not talking about him. I mean that HA could be a great solution for non-blackpilled incels genuinely trying to change their circumstances. Tsar is a good example of that.
Probably the HA solution is not viable for most people any more.


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November 29th, 2022, 11:26 pm
I am not sure if I would say harsh... But I am not actually referring to Blackpillers. Not all incels are Blackpilled. Blackpill is an ideology... Incel is a state of being. An incel is somebody who is involuntarily celibate. Meaning they cannot find a woman who will have sex with them, whether its a hookup or a relationship, no matter what they do. The Blackpill on the other hand is an ideology that attempts to explain inceldom by saying its all about looks, that if you aren't attractive enough, then you will never find a woman who will have sex with you. And if you cannot find a woman who will have sex with you, its because you are ugly, and you cannot do anything to change this.

There is obviously overlap between the two, but they aren't exactly the same. @WanderingProtagonist is an incel for example, but I would not call him a Blackpiller. And once again, I don't believe Mercer specifically deserves any sympathy because he's just an asshole. I tried to be sympathetic towards him, and he spat in my face... So he can go f**k himself.

I believe we should refute the blackpill, while remembering to treat incels with compassion. Many of them are broken, depressed people. The reason I responded to you this way is because you said "I don't blame the FBI for putting them on terrorist watch lists."
I couldn't find the quote going back through the thread. Google doesn't work for site searches anymore, like it did back when it was a decent search engine, and neither did another search engine. So I am not sure how I worded it.

I'm talking about the FBI keeping an eye on the incel movement, blackpill, whatever you want to call it, which they would probably would do mainly online. I am not talking about the FBI tracking every man who can't get a date.
And stuff like that. Why should incels be monitored by the FBI instead of the Crips, the 18th Street Gang, Gangster Disciples, the Bloods, or the Mexican drug cartels who have killed far more people, terrorized entire neighborhoods, and have committed many more mass shootings? Monitoring incels is a waste of FBI resources because most of these men are a much greater danger to themselves then they are to anybody else.
Who says the have to choose? Clearly those who are more dangerous should get more attention. I would imagine incel activities are individual men getting really depressed and reacting negatively after reading blackpill propaganda for a long time, rather than coordinated gang attacks. But I would imagine they would put some resources toward tracking these trends, but not as much as they would for Mexican drug cartels.
Millions of men in America are incels, but because a few of them turned into mass shooters we should paint them all with the same brush? I don't think that's fair. And I would really rather you not add to the dogpile and exacerbate the suffering these men already go through.
I'm not talking about the movement and propaganda, not individuals who are celibate but do not want to be.
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Outcast9428 wrote:
November 30th, 2022, 1:14 pm
Oh yeah, Mercer is just a blackhole. I’m not talking about him. I mean that HA could be a great solution for non-blackpilled incels genuinely trying to change their circumstances. Tsar is a good example of that.
@Mew6ix and @Mercury display many of the same beliefs, also complain a lot about the cultures they are currently in but appearing to make little to no effort to leave said cultures, to the point where some speculated they are the same person. Not sure about that. There have been others who, similarly, did a lot of complaining but zero traveling. It's hard for me to feel compassion for people who are shown the solution and willfully remain blind to it. Such people deserve their fate and none of our sympathy. It is only those like Tsar who put their money where their mouths are that deserve our support.
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November 30th, 2022, 1:19 pm

I'm not talking about the movement and propaganda, not individuals who are celibate but do not want to be.
As a "movement" it's entirely ridiculous too. Like if I was born hideous and I could not get women, ever, I would probably just join ISIS or the Taliban. Grow a beard, get an AK47 and just, fight for Allah. I'd either die and get sent to paradise, or claim a war bride as my prize. I don't understand why Western incels don't just all move to Afghanistan. Or, if we're talking bearded patriarchs, what about the Amish? Just work the land, live a humble life, and enter some sort of arranged marriage; I'm sure those incest-ridden remote communities are dying for some fresh blood.

The problem of these incels is that they prefer to cry over the internet rather than take action. The world is full of shitty people and shitty cultures, but traditional cultures and communities can still be found. Finding a woman there isn't too difficult. They don't want this, however... what they want is to live a "Chad life" and be the life of the party, bang all the hot cheerleaders and be the envy of other men for getting with the most vapid of whores and being praised for it by their peers... since the majority of incels have a shitty modern mindset, they're not victims of modernity as much as they're just a nasty little byproduct of it. Which is why most of them simply deserve their fate. Agreed, @Outcast9428 ?
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MarcosZeitola wrote:
December 2nd, 2022, 1:41 am
MrMan wrote:
November 30th, 2022, 1:19 pm

I'm not talking about the movement and propaganda, not individuals who are celibate but do not want to be.
As a "movement" it's entirely ridiculous too. Like if I was born hideous and I could not get women, ever, I would probably just join ISIS or the Taliban. Grow a beard, get an AK47 and just, fight for Allah. I'd either die and get sent to paradise, or claim a war bride as my prize. I don't understand why Western incels don't just all move to Afghanistan.
They probably don't believe the lie that they'll get 72 virgins if they does.

There is the joke about the Islamicist suicide bomber who blows himself up to kill others and finds himself in this other place. Geore Washington thumps him really hard with a cane. Thomas Jefferson kicks him in the ribs. Then he realizes, it was 72 Virginians, not 72 virgins.

Of course, when ISIS at its height was giving soldiers women as slaves, which they could tie up and use for sex-- underaged girls, married women. I read a horror story about that. I would hope most guys in the incel movement wouldn't want that, but the ones who kill people and bring the movement to the attention of the public have some problems with their morals.

But the growing a beard part might work. If the guy's face is ugly from the nose down, he could cover a lot of that up with a beard and maybe attract women who are into beards. I suspect the biggest problem with these 'blackpill' guys on the woman front is their pessimistic outlook on life.

And if they want to be serial fornicator Chads, like you say, then that's another problem. Married men actually live longer and are much more likely to report that they are happy in surveys. Many married people have reasonably healthy marriages where there is a somewhat steady supply of sex. To use a crude metaphor hunter gatherer may enjoy the thrill of the chase, but he doesn't get the steady supply of meat that having domesticated livestock provides. One night stands are risky for getting STDs, unlike a virgin wife who is faithful. Even the non-virgin wife isn't going to pick up new diseases if she isn't sleeping around. If a man is really concerned with looks, isn't that young himself, he can seek a younger women. A 35-year-old could marry a woman in her 20's. He can meet her mother and her aunts to see if they've kept their looks and their figure before proposing also.
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MarcosZeitola wrote:
December 2nd, 2022, 1:41 am
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November 30th, 2022, 1:19 pm

I'm not talking about the movement and propaganda, not individuals who are celibate but do not want to be.
As a "movement" it's entirely ridiculous too. Like if I was born hideous and I could not get women, ever, I would probably just join ISIS or the Taliban. Grow a beard, get an AK47 and just, fight for Allah. I'd either die and get sent to paradise, or claim a war bride as my prize. I don't understand why Western incels don't just all move to Afghanistan. Or, if we're talking bearded patriarchs, what about the Amish? Just work the land, live a humble life, and enter some sort of arranged marriage; I'm sure those incest-ridden remote communities are dying for some fresh blood.

The problem of these incels is that they prefer to cry over the internet rather than take action. The world is full of shitty people and shitty cultures, but traditional cultures and communities can still be found. Finding a woman there isn't too difficult. They don't want this, however... what they want is to live a "Chad life" and be the life of the party, bang all the hot cheerleaders and be the envy of other men for getting with the most vapid of whores and being praised for it by their peers... since the majority of incels have a shitty modern mindset, they're not victims of modernity as much as they're just a nasty little byproduct of it. Which is why most of them simply deserve their fate. Agreed, @Outcast9428 ?
Hideously ugly would probably be impossible to changed. Moderately ugly, then I am sure becoming chiseled and maybe facial hair to conceal some of the face would work.

I imagine that moderately or hideously ugly must involve structural or skin deformities. There's no hiding that or burns.

Someone on the forum shared something awhile back about an Islamic story.



I think that while it's difficult, people often need to think outside the box.

Some people can cast a wide net and catch a wide variety of prey. Or be like a soldier going into any combat.

Some people need to cast more narrower nets and specific prey. Or be like an assassin who is targeting a specific person or group.

People can't do things that's not in their natural ability.

Some people can play the short game and win. Others need to play the long game and have patience if they want to achieve victory.

I also agree that most Incels are part of modern ideology with a modern mindset. They're blackpill because they have cognitive dissonance. They knew they can't win but don't have the realization of how to change their ways to win. That's why I am not really an Incel.

If a hot girl offered me a one night stand, I honestly wouldn't care if she was a virgin or not a virgin, because I don't care about sex as much as I care about love. I want something real and long-term. I don't see any point in just having sex with a girl then that's it, and I never see her again. I have always been similar to @Outcast9428 because I value love, a long-term relationship, and romance. My requirements for a girl that meets my physical (including age) requirements are that she's a virgin and wants something long-term with me.

Most Incels probably place too much value on sex and females, but don't realize that they can't put a female above themselves, and they can't idolize sex over all other parts of the relationship with a girl.

Elliot Rodger, for example, never mentioned once what he would do for a girl in his manifesto. It was entirely designed to get posthumous sympathy and explain from his perspective why he was a victim, why it was over for him, how he needed to win the lottery, and why he was getting retribution.

I use to feel sympathy for him, and I do have a little, but since @MarcosZeitola brought up Elliot Rodger in this thread, I realized that Elliot Rodger wanted to be more of a Chad and on top, than actual change his life and get love. He wasn't going to be a Chad because I think that Chads are made in childhood or with the proper upbringing, and it's cemented in school and teen years. Past a certain point, there's not much ability to go from ordinary or Incel to Chad. It is definitely possible to go from ordinary or Incel to having a relationship with a top-tier girl, as long as the guy goes abroad and develops the correct strategy for his own unique circumstances.
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In my experience, most incels do say the same thing that @Tsar does… Saying they value love and a long term relationship. A lot of them have been to escorts or refuse to go to escorts but either way continue thinking of themselves as an incel regardless of whether they have been to one or not because they feel like it doesn’t really count or it is not worth it if the girl is not in love with him. Personally I do believe going to strippers and escorts could help a lot of incels but I don’t consider it “a solution” so to speak. I consider it the stepping stone to the solution.

But yeah, most incels in my experience would not consider a one night stand to really change much. Some people have a really narrow definition of incel but I tend to take a broader perspective. I think somebody who isn’t necessarily a virgin can still be an incel.

Elliot Rodgers has come to be seen as “the face of incels” so to speak but in my experience most incels don’t act like he does.
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December 3rd, 2022, 9:45 am
In my experience, most incels do say the same thing that @Tsar does… Saying they value love and a long term relationship. A lot of them have been to escorts or refuse to go to escorts but either way continue thinking of themselves as an incel regardless of whether they have been to one or not because they feel like it doesn’t really count or it is not worth it if the girl is not in love with him. Personally I do believe going to strippers and escorts could help a lot of incels but I don’t consider it “a solution” so to speak. I consider it the stepping stone to the solution.

But yeah, most incels in my experience would not consider a one night stand to really change much. Some people have a really narrow definition of incel but I tend to take a broader perspective. I think somebody who isn’t necessarily a virgin can still be an incel.

Elliot Rodgers has come to be seen as “the face of incels” so to speak but in my experience most incels don’t act like he does.
All of this is fair but man, wouldn't you agree it's kind of silly for incel people who are aware of @Winston's message to come here, of all places, and just engage in the same whiny pessimistic nonsense behavior they engage in on other places on the internet? As opposed to doing the sane thing which would be to follow Winston's advise and head on out, fly away, go abroad, and live their best lives, be their best selves... It's honestly kind of obscene. This is literally a site that's more or less a How-To guide on going abroad and finding true love. And these fuckers just scoff at that and stick to their impotent whining. It's just sad and depressing to see this toxic attitude.
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MarcosZeitola wrote:
December 4th, 2022, 5:09 am
Outcast9428 wrote:
December 3rd, 2022, 9:45 am
In my experience, most incels do say the same thing that @Tsar does… Saying they value love and a long term relationship. A lot of them have been to escorts or refuse to go to escorts but either way continue thinking of themselves as an incel regardless of whether they have been to one or not because they feel like it doesn’t really count or it is not worth it if the girl is not in love with him. Personally I do believe going to strippers and escorts could help a lot of incels but I don’t consider it “a solution” so to speak. I consider it the stepping stone to the solution.

But yeah, most incels in my experience would not consider a one night stand to really change much. Some people have a really narrow definition of incel but I tend to take a broader perspective. I think somebody who isn’t necessarily a virgin can still be an incel.

Elliot Rodgers has come to be seen as “the face of incels” so to speak but in my experience most incels don’t act like he does.
All of this is fair but man, wouldn't you agree it's kind of silly for incel people who are aware of @Winston's message to come here, of all places, and just engage in the same whiny pessimistic nonsense behavior they engage in on other places on the internet? As opposed to doing the sane thing which would be to follow Winston's advise and head on out, fly away, go abroad, and live their best lives, be their best selves... It's honestly kind of obscene. This is literally a site that's more or less a How-To guide on going abroad and finding true love. And these fuckers just scoff at that and stick to their impotent whining. It's just sad and depressing to see this toxic attitude.
Yeah I agree that they shouldn’t be doing that.
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Wait, so what's the point of Outcast9428 posting here then? He never actually posts about being happier abroad either, he just spams this forum with bluepilled tradcuck garbage and claims he's happy where he is in the U.S. More hypocrisy.
He didn't have to go abroad to find a nice girl because he's a good enough bloke to good a quality chick right where he was born. If he wasn't, he would have gone abroad too. You clearly aren't a quality bloke so why not try your luck elsewhere? There's some cute Brazilian, Mexican, Filipina or Indonesian chick out there for you, somewhere. Some local Chad will probably steal her if you don't get your ass on that plane though. :lol:
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MarcosZeitola wrote:
December 4th, 2022, 1:48 pm
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December 4th, 2022, 12:57 pm
Wait, so what's the point of Outcast9428 posting here then? He never actually posts about being happier abroad either, he just spams this forum with bluepilled tradcuck garbage and claims he's happy where he is in the U.S. More hypocrisy.
He didn't have to go abroad to find a nice girl because he's a good enough bloke to good a quality chick right where he was born.
Why do you keep associating attracting Satanic Western skanks with being good?
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Cornfed wrote:
December 4th, 2022, 2:02 pm
MarcosZeitola wrote:
December 4th, 2022, 1:48 pm
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December 4th, 2022, 12:57 pm
Wait, so what's the point of Outcast9428 posting here then? He never actually posts about being happier abroad either, he just spams this forum with bluepilled tradcuck garbage and claims he's happy where he is in the U.S. More hypocrisy.
He didn't have to go abroad to find a nice girl because he's a good enough bloke to good a quality chick right where he was born.
Why do you keep associating attracting Satanic Western skanks with being good?
My girlfriend is not a skank. She’s a sweet Asian church girl who is not feminist or liberal at all. Her accent is American but despite being adopted by White Americans her behavior is very Asian. Dating her feels very similar to dating an actual Japanese or Chinese girl. The other day I asked her if she would be okay with being a stay at home mom while I was the provider and she said “sure, less work for me!” She already has told me that she wants me to marry her, I’m just waiting until a sufficient amount of time has passed and it doesn’t shock everybody but I want to marry her too.

She said the thing that she likes the most about me and what attracted her the most to me was how sweet I am.

@Mercer

If you could get over your jealousy you would realize that what I’m posting here is some of the most valuable information on this board.

I didn’t leave the country but the dramatic difference in my success with girls depending on whether I was at college or in my hometown proves the HA concept to be true. Culture makes a huge difference in your dating success. Also I actually travel a lot and have posted about the various places I’ve been.

Calling it “tradcuck garbage” is the whiniest bullshit I’ve ever heard. If you had any authentic motivation to actually make something of your life then you would be inspired by what I’ve posted here rather then getting absurdly jealous and angry. When I first posted here I was single, but MrMan’s story inspired me. And I knew his life was exactly what I wanted and would work for whether I found it in America or found it abroad.
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December 5th, 2022, 7:58 am
My girlfriend is not a skank. She’s a sweet Asian church girl who is not feminist or liberal at all. Her accent is American but despite being adopted by White Americans her behavior is very Asian. Dating her feels very similar to dating an actual Japanese or Chinese girl. The other day I asked her if she would be okay with being a stay at home mom while I was the provider and she said “sure, less work for me!” She already has told me that she wants me to marry her, I’m just waiting until a sufficient amount of time has passed and it doesn’t shock everybody but I want to marry her too.
Why do you mind what others might say? Lol. If I met the woman of my dreams (and as a matter of fact I did, just a few months ago) I'd put that ring on her finger as soon as possible. Gotta lock down the good ones, brother. A lot can happen in a single day, let alone a week, a month, a year... I say if you really, truly, desperately love the living daylights out of this girl, you start looking for a ring right away and you pop the question sometime next year at the absolute latest. :D

Those "lets wait a while so we don't shock the friends and old folks" tactics people are hooked up on nowadays are silly. It's similar to that "half your age plus seven rule" to decide whether or not a girl is "too young" for you... to not immediately go down on one knee and just propose to the woman of your dreams as quickly as you want? That's kinda of a cucked mindset. Like the Nike shoes say: Every Damn Day, Just Do It! Make that: Any Damn Day! :lol:

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MarcosZeitola wrote:
December 5th, 2022, 10:19 am
Outcast9428 wrote:
December 5th, 2022, 7:58 am
My girlfriend is not a skank. She’s a sweet Asian church girl who is not feminist or liberal at all. Her accent is American but despite being adopted by White Americans her behavior is very Asian. Dating her feels very similar to dating an actual Japanese or Chinese girl. The other day I asked her if she would be okay with being a stay at home mom while I was the provider and she said “sure, less work for me!” She already has told me that she wants me to marry her, I’m just waiting until a sufficient amount of time has passed and it doesn’t shock everybody but I want to marry her too.
Why do you mind what others might say? Lol. If I met the woman of my dreams (and as a matter of fact I did, just a few months ago) I'd put that ring on her finger as soon as possible. Gotta lock down the good ones, brother. A lot can happen in a single day, let alone a week, a month, a year... I say if you really, truly, desperately love the living daylights out of this girl, you start looking for a ring right away and you pop the question sometime next year at the absolute latest. :D

Those "lets wait a while so we don't shock the friends and old folks" tactics people are hooked up on nowadays are silly. It's similar to that "half your age plus seven rule" to decide whether or not a girl is "too young" for you... to not immediately go down on one knee and just propose to the woman of your dreams as quickly as you want? That's kinda of a cucked mindset. Like the Nike shoes say: Every Damn Day, Just Do It! Make that: Any Damn Day! :lol:

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Cause I want her parents to support our marriage. Plus I have a good idea for how I’m gonna propose to her anyway. I want to take her to Japan in the summer and propose to her there on the 9 month anniversary of us dating.

Waiting a little bit is not going to harm our relationship. It’s not like I plan on waiting years to do it. I’m just gonna give it a few months.
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December 5th, 2022, 2:19 pm

Cause I want her parents to support our marriage. Plus I have a good idea for how I’m gonna propose to her anyway. I want to take her to Japan in the summer and propose to her there on the 9 month anniversary of us dating.

Waiting a little bit is not going to harm our relationship. It’s not like I plan on waiting years to do it. I’m just gonna give it a few months.
That's actually fair. And a few months isn't the same as waiting a year, or two years, which would have been excessive. I do hope things continue to work out well. She honestly sounds like a dream. It's like she was saved from turning into a materialistic harpy like so many girls in China by being adopted by a conservative American family as an infant. So ironically, being raised in the West made her somehow MORE traditional than she would have been had she grown up in Beijing lol. What are the odds? :lol:
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December 5th, 2022, 5:38 pm
It's naive to think you can "lock down" a woman, especially in the west where they can divorce rape you the second they get bored or Chad comes along.
There's still such a thing as a prenuptial agreement. And who knows, maybe Outcast is a Chad in her eyes. He's dated before, and the girl seems devoted to him. It's not like you ever met the guy or saw him yet all you do is cast aspersions on him and label him "omega" for daring to give you some good advise, which you always ignore.
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