I am going to convert to Islam

[Outcast9428]

You’re wrong about the youth in Eastern Europe by the way. The young people are actually driving Eastern Europe’s move towards more religion. There are stories of people who mocked Jesus Christ being beaten in public in Eastern European countries. I went to Hungary and there is religious imagery everywhere in Hungary. It’s absolutely pervasive throughout the country.

Can you share some articles?

Where did you see some religious imagery outside of churches and religious contexts?

https://hyperallergic.com/499216/lgbtq-virgin-mary/

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertain ... e-serbians

https://www.thepinknews.com/2019/09/25/ ... de-serbia/

I can’t find an article about it but I saw somebody post a video on 4chan from Croatia of a guy dressed as Jesus who was handing out condoms to people and he got beaten up by a mob.

In Hungary you see a lot of statues carrying crosses, the graveyards all have crosses on them, and there are these performances done in public where people roll out large crosses onto the stage. There’s also a lot of statues of different saints on the buildings.

[Outcast9428]

@Kalinago that stuff you said about Poland is complete hogwash. Not only is Catholicism extremely dominant in Poland but it is more so then before…

According to a 2011 survey by Ipsos MORI, 85% of the Poles remain Christians; 8% are irreligious, atheist, or agnostic; 2% adhere to unspecified other religions; and 5% did not answer the question.

According to 2018 statistics assembled by Statistics Poland, 93.5% of the population is affiliated with a religion; 3.1% do not belong to any religion. The most practiced religion was Roman Catholicism, whose followers comprised the 91.9% of the population, followed by the Eastern Orthodox with 0.9%

[gsjackson]

@Kalinago that stuff you said about Poland is complete hogwash. Not only is Catholicism extremely dominant in Poland but it is more so then before…

According to a 2011 survey by Ipsos MORI, 85% of the Poles remain Christians; 8% are irreligious, atheist, or agnostic; 2% adhere to unspecified other religions; and 5% did not answer the question.

According to 2018 statistics assembled by Statistics Poland, 93.5% of the population is affiliated with a religion; 3.1% do not belong to any religion. The most practiced religion was Roman Catholicism, whose followers comprised the 91.9% of the population, followed by the Eastern Orthodox with 0.9%

I spent Easter, 2014 in Warsaw. All the stores and most of the restaurants closed at 4 p.m. Friday and reopened at 10 a.m. on Tuesday. The family I was renting a place from spent about 15 hours altogether in church over that period. I certainly had the impression that the Christian faith of the Poles was a big deal to them. I was told that the Czechs lost their religion under communism, but Poles didn't.

[Outcast9428]

@Kalinago that stuff you said about Poland is complete hogwash. Not only is Catholicism extremely dominant in Poland but it is more so then before…

According to a 2011 survey by Ipsos MORI, 85% of the Poles remain Christians; 8% are irreligious, atheist, or agnostic; 2% adhere to unspecified other religions; and 5% did not answer the question.

According to 2018 statistics assembled by Statistics Poland, 93.5% of the population is affiliated with a religion; 3.1% do not belong to any religion. The most practiced religion was Roman Catholicism, whose followers comprised the 91.9% of the population, followed by the Eastern Orthodox with 0.9%

I spent Easter, 2014 in Warsaw. All the stores and most of the restaurants closed at 4 p.m. Friday and reopened at 10 a.m. on Tuesday. The family I was renting a place from spent about 15 hours altogether in church over that period. I certainly had the impression that the Christian faith of the Poles was a big deal to them. I was told that the Czechs lost their religion under communism, but Poles didn't.

Yeah, Czechia is noticeably the least religious country out of all the former Soviet nations. It’s weird how Czechia stands out as being the only country in the former Soviet bloc where religion legitimately got erased. I suppose it would have happened in Hungary had it not been for Orban.

[Yohan]

Too many articles and videos on youtube suggest that Islam is kicking Christianity's ass. Basically these articles all imply that Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth. But I can't decide if any of that is really true or false. Not sure why anyone wants to convert to Islam anyway, what a gay ass religion. And yes china does support communism. Why do you think the U.S. is so desperately trying to adopt that shit now?

The fastest growing 'religion' is atheism, especially in Western countries.

Islam is claiming to be the fastest growing religion on earth, but it is denying members to resign. One time a Muslim you will always be counted as a Muslim until your death. If you want to leave Islam you might be threatened with assassination in several countries, like Pakistan, Afghanistan...
Another factor is the birth rate, Muslims have more children than Christians, for example in Nigeria. Other factors are missing birth control, no abortion in those countries.

The Catholic Church is different, you can resign officially, and your name is removed from the Church registry. You might get some nasty remarks for doing this, but that's all. You have to bring your baptism certificate and it will be stamped with a short text that you are not a member of the Catholic Church anymore. Finished.

Why somebody wants to convert to Islam, I have no idea - some Western men are doing this for paying off Muslim parents in exchange of marriage of their daughter it seems - I would never do this and cannot recommend it for other men either. Some poor Hindu women are doing this to marry wealthy Muslim men in Asia, in India for example. In Malaysia you have no choice - you are Muslim automatically if you are born as a person of Malay ethnicity and you can never resign.

All what a person who does not want to be a Muslim anymore can do in many countries is to disregard everything what Islam is telling him or her to do, like prayers, eating habits, willing to socialize with people of other faith etc. - But still is counted as a Muslim....But how many people are they who are forced to be Muslims but want to give up their religion?

In general, it's difficult to count and compare religions and how many followers they have worldwide.

In Japan there is no official count, religion is strictly private. However Buddhist organizations can prove that more than 80 % of all Japanese own within a Buddhist temple a family grave. Shinto followers (both religions to not exclude each other and can be practiced by the same person) celebrate birth of children and marriage in Shinto Shrines....

There are also many cults in Asia, like El Shaddai in Philippines, or the Moonies Unification Church in South Korea with millions of followers.

[Yohan]

MrMan never claimed to be a White nationalist. I think it’s pretty silly to say he isn’t a traditionalist just because he married an Asian girl.

I never used in my comment the phrase 'white nationalist' - however I said, MrMan is a religious bigot living in USA but it is unclear to me in which group of Christianity he fits in.

USA is a Christian majority country which clearly has severe race related issues and had in the past even prohibition of mixed race marriage up to 1967.
South Africa is another Christianity orientated country with similar problems and had prohibition of mixed race marriage up to 1992.

Christianity is not supportive to international/mixed race marriage and USA - the largest Christianity orientated country in this world - is the only country in this world which created the 'International Marriage Broker Regulation Act 2005 to make introduction to foreign women for marriage with US-citizens more complicated than with the local American girl.

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It is interesting, because this is a thread about Islam, that race/foreigner related to marriage in Islam was never any issue. You are Muslim you are in, and you are non-Muslim you are out (except some women who are Jews or Christians). Islamic countries never had race-related laws regarding marriage as far as I know - even slaves had the right after a few years to convert to Islam and to be released.

[WanderingProtagonist]

Too many articles and videos on youtube suggest that Islam is kicking Christianity's ass. Basically these articles all imply that Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth. But I can't decide if any of that is really true or false. Not sure why anyone wants to convert to Islam anyway, what a gay ass religion. And yes china does support communism. Why do you think the U.S. is so desperately trying to adopt that shit now?

The fastest growing 'religion' is atheism, especially in Western countries.

Islam is claiming to be the fastest growing religion on earth, but it is denying members to resign. One time a Muslim you will always be counted as a Muslim until your death. If you want to leave Islam you might be threatened with assassination in several countries, like Pakistan, Afghanistan...
Another factor is the birth rate, Muslims have more children than Christians, for example in Nigeria. Other factors are missing birth control, no abortion in those countries.

The Catholic Church is different, you can resign officially, and your name is removed from the Church registry. You might get some nasty remarks for doing this, but that's all. You have to bring your baptism certificate and it will be stamped with a short text that you are not a member of the Catholic Church anymore. Finished.

Why somebody wants to convert to Islam, I have no idea - some Western men are doing this for paying off Muslim parents in exchange of marriage of their daughter it seems - I would never do this and cannot recommend it for other men either. Some poor Hindu women are doing this to marry wealthy Muslim men in Asia, in India for example. In Malaysia you have no choice - you are Muslim automatically if you are born as a person of Malay ethnicity and you can never resign.

All what a person who does not want to be a Muslim anymore can do in many countries is to disregard everything what Islam is telling him or her to do, like prayers, eating habits, willing to socialize with people of other faith etc. - But still is counted as a Muslim....But how many people are they who are forced to be Muslims but want to give up their religion?

In general, it's difficult to count and compare religions and how many followers they have worldwide.

In Japan there is no official count, religion is strictly private. However Buddhist organizations can prove that more than 80 % of all Japanese own within a Buddhist temple a family grave. Shinto followers (both religions to not exclude each other and can be practiced by the same person) celebrate birth of children and marriage in Shinto Shrines....

There are also many cults in Asia, like El Shaddai in Philippines, or the Moonies Unification Church in South Korea with millions of followers.

That's what surprises me though, how do cult leaders even convince people to follow them? You can't just go out on the street and start talking, then people will follow you. I've always wondered how cult leaders successfully convinced millions or thousands to follow them. Sort of like what Satanism does, but to some extent I kind of feel that all religions are cult like in a way. Some more extreme than others. I also didn't know about the Malaysian thing though.

[Yohan]

There are also many cults in Asia, like El Shaddai in Philippines, or the Moonies Unification Church in South Korea with millions of followers.

That's what surprises me though, how do cult leaders even convince people to follow them? You can't just go out on the street and start talking, then people will follow you. I've always wondered how cult leaders successfully convinced millions or thousands to follow them

The most successful guy I know is Brother Mike in the Philippines, a real estate developer, also politician who created El Shaddai.
He is now 83, tried to become the president of the Philippines but lost against Ferdinand Marcos Jr.

This cult has now about 8 million followers and during his prime time he did not even go to the president's office - but the president came to him.

He is offering his followers a bottle of water and an egg-sandwich, he is promising to make the poor rich and healing the sick and this is now a million dollar business.

His teachings are deeply into Catholicism and even the Pope in Rome remains silent about him - no complaints... amazing...

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Another crazy cult is the Unification Church Korea, the Moonies, where the leaders are collecting millions of dollars for themselves and in return they organize mass marriages for couples, who never met before, check out this video...



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I often think, I also should start to create a new church - to convert myself from atheist to cult-leader and ask people to give me money.....but I realize I am too stupid to do this. Honestly, I have no idea how to start such a 'religious' business.

[Outcast9428]

MrMan never claimed to be a White nationalist. I think it’s pretty silly to say he isn’t a traditionalist just because he married an Asian girl.

I never used in my comment the phrase 'white nationalist' - however I said, MrMan is a religious bigot living in USA but it is unclear to me in which group of Christianity he fits in.

USA is a Christian majority country which clearly has severe race related issues and had in the past even prohibition of mixed race marriage up to 1967.
South Africa is another Christianity orientated country with similar problems and had prohibition of mixed race marriage up to 1992.

Christianity is not supportive to international/mixed race marriage and USA - the largest Christianity orientated country in this world - is the only country in this world which created the 'International Marriage Broker Regulation Act 2005 to make introduction to foreign women for marriage with US-citizens more complicated than with the local American girl.

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It is interesting, because this is a thread about Islam, that race/foreigner related to marriage in Islam was never any issue. You are Muslim you are in, and you are non-Muslim you are out (except some women who are Jews or Christians). Islamic countries never had race-related laws regarding marriage as far as I know - even slaves had the right after a few years to convert to Islam and to be released.

This is an exaggeration, disapproval of interracial marriage is very fringe at this point in America. Only 6% of Americans are opposed to it. Being against interracial marriage is honestly one of the most controversial opinions you can have in America at this point because even a lot of people on the hard right are race mixers. The only people who are against it are the White nationalists. Some White nationalists are Christian traditionalists but plenty of Christian traditionalists are not White nationalists.

[gsjackson]

MrMan never claimed to be a White nationalist. I think it’s pretty silly to say he isn’t a traditionalist just because he married an Asian girl.

I never used in my comment the phrase 'white nationalist' - however I said, MrMan is a religious bigot living in USA but it is unclear to me in which group of Christianity he fits in.

USA is a Christian majority country which clearly has severe race related issues and had in the past even prohibition of mixed race marriage up to 1967.
South Africa is another Christianity orientated country with similar problems and had prohibition of mixed race marriage up to 1992.

Christianity is not supportive to international/mixed race marriage and USA - the largest Christianity orientated country in this world - is the only country in this world which created the 'International Marriage Broker Regulation Act 2005 to make introduction to foreign women for marriage with US-citizens more complicated than with the local American girl.

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It is interesting, because this is a thread about Islam, that race/foreigner related to marriage in Islam was never any issue. You are Muslim you are in, and you are non-Muslim you are out (except some women who are Jews or Christians). Islamic countries never had race-related laws regarding marriage as far as I know - even slaves had the right after a few years to convert to Islam and to be released.

This is an exaggeration, disapproval of interracial marriage is very fringe at this point in America. Only 6% of Americans are opposed to it. Being against interracial marriage is honestly one of the most controversial opinions you can have in America at this point because even a lot of people on the hard right are race mixers. The only people who are against it are the White nationalists. Some White nationalists are Christian traditionalists but plenty of Christian traditionalists are not White nationalists.

Agreed. The (((culture))) relentlessly instructs us on this point. I've been watching a lot of American TV the last several months (so you don't have to), and I swear I have not seen a fictional couple -- hetero or homo, in a show or commercial -- that wasn't biracial.

[MrMan]

MrMan has earned my respect on here. On a forum full of fake traditionalists who’s real ideology is actually something incredibly bizarre or downright deranged… MrMan stands out as one of the only members I’ve seen here who’s traditionalism is, without a question, completely genuine and authentic. He is a voice of sanity on a forum full of mental asylum patients and it’s nice to have some people like that around.

He is a voice of sanity? Not really, but I think he was lucky in his life somehow so far. It is however wrong to presume that everybody is in the same position as he is. - I surely was not and I left Catholic Church when I was 17 and never missed it.

I do not want to insult MrMan and do not want to insult you for your opinion, but MrMan is really a very religious bigot deeply into some kind of Christianity, but I am not sure into which kind of Christianity he really is - Catholic, Protestant, Jehovah, or LDS or whatever group using the Bible for their guideline.

I could also call you a bigot for your clinging to your atheism or irreligiousness.

Christians - not so long time ago especially in USA and South Africa - were strongly supportive to apartheid, separating people by race and those governments outlawed marriage - and any sexual activity - between people of different race.

Christians across the board in favor of apartheid in South Africa? There were also a lot of black Christians in South Africa. Christians can have a variety of political opinions.

Someone posted an article recently from a black woman there calling for whites to take over there.

I heard a video from someone from the Reformed church describing the political options at the time. Even Wikipedia has whitewashed Mandela's story to get rid of the connection to terrorism and the bombing to make him a hero. The choice was between a political movement that supported Apartheid, but also the rule of law, white people getting to keep their stuff, and some basic morality, versus a left-wing Marxist philosophy, that along with black rule, would bring in pornography, abortion and all kinds of immoral stuff fairly common in the rest of the west.

[MrMan]

MrMan never claimed to be a White nationalist. I think it’s pretty silly to say he isn’t a traditionalist just because he married an Asian girl.

I never used in my comment the phrase 'white nationalist' - however I said, MrMan is a religious bigot living in USA but it is unclear to me in which group of Christianity he fits in.

USA is a Christian majority country which clearly has severe race related issues and had in the past even prohibition of mixed race marriage up to 1967.
South Africa is another Christianity orientated country with similar problems and had prohibition of mixed race marriage up to 1992.

Christianity is not supportive to international/mixed race marriage and USA - the largest Christianity orientated country in this world - is the only country in this world which created the 'International Marriage Broker Regulation Act 2005 to make introduction to foreign women for marriage with US-citizens more complicated than with the local American girl.

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It is interesting, because this is a thread about Islam, that race/foreigner related to marriage in Islam was never any issue. You are Muslim you are in, and you are non-Muslim you are out (except some women who are Jews or Christians). Islamic countries never had race-related laws regarding marriage as far as I know - even slaves had the right after a few years to convert to Islam and to be released.

This is an exaggeration, disapproval of interracial marriage is very fringe at this point in America. Only 6% of Americans are opposed to it. Being against interracial marriage is honestly one of the most controversial opinions you can have in America at this point because even a lot of people on the hard right are race mixers. The only people who are against it are the White nationalists. Some White nationalists are Christian traditionalists but plenty of Christian traditionalists are not White nationalists.

Yes @Yohan in the US being opposed to race mixing may raise concerns that you might be a member of the KKK. There are also Neo-Nazi skinheads, but not many of them. The KKK isn't really a big influence. I think I met one kid in elementary school who said something positive about it. Otherwise, I've seen it on TV and in movies. And I was raised in the South, partly in the rural South.

On a personal level, there are probably a lot of people against racial mixing because they are attracted to members of their own race, or people that wouldn't marry black women because of 'ghetto' stereotypes, accents, cultural issues, etc. But they wouldn't say it out loud because they might be perceived as racist.

[Outcast9428]

MrMan never claimed to be a White nationalist. I think it’s pretty silly to say he isn’t a traditionalist just because he married an Asian girl.

I never used in my comment the phrase 'white nationalist' - however I said, MrMan is a religious bigot living in USA but it is unclear to me in which group of Christianity he fits in.

USA is a Christian majority country which clearly has severe race related issues and had in the past even prohibition of mixed race marriage up to 1967.
South Africa is another Christianity orientated country with similar problems and had prohibition of mixed race marriage up to 1992.

Christianity is not supportive to international/mixed race marriage and USA - the largest Christianity orientated country in this world - is the only country in this world which created the 'International Marriage Broker Regulation Act 2005 to make introduction to foreign women for marriage with US-citizens more complicated than with the local American girl.

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It is interesting, because this is a thread about Islam, that race/foreigner related to marriage in Islam was never any issue. You are Muslim you are in, and you are non-Muslim you are out (except some women who are Jews or Christians). Islamic countries never had race-related laws regarding marriage as far as I know - even slaves had the right after a few years to convert to Islam and to be released.

This is an exaggeration, disapproval of interracial marriage is very fringe at this point in America. Only 6% of Americans are opposed to it. Being against interracial marriage is honestly one of the most controversial opinions you can have in America at this point because even a lot of people on the hard right are race mixers. The only people who are against it are the White nationalists. Some White nationalists are Christian traditionalists but plenty of Christian traditionalists are not White nationalists.

Yes @Yohan in the US being opposed to race mixing may raise concerns that you might be a member of the KKK. There are also Neo-Nazi skinheads, but not many of them. The KKK isn't really a big influence. I think I met one kid in elementary school who said something positive about it. Otherwise, I've seen it on TV and in movies. And I was raised in the South, partly in the rural South.

On a personal level, there are probably a lot of people against racial mixing because they are attracted to members of their own race, or people that wouldn't marry black women because of 'ghetto' stereotypes, accents, cultural issues, etc. But they wouldn't say it out loud because they might be perceived as racist.

I've also noticed recently that there isn't nearly as much of an alliance between right-wingers with highly traditional views on sex, marriage, family and gender and right wingers who are really hardcore about the racial issues as there used to be. On 4chan's /pol/ forum (a forum for highly controversial right-wing ideologies) I notice that a lot of White nationalists these days are actually pretty liberal about religious and sexual issues. I even made a poll on 4chan once to see what faction of the right people were on and separated things by "liberal White nationalist" vs "Traditionalist White nationalist." 22% of the people identified as traditionalist white nationalists while 13% identified as liberal white nationalists. Although 25% of people identified as "extreme traditionalists" which I defined as supporting theocracy and some of the extreme traditionalists are also White nationalists. About 15% of people identified as Christian traditionalists who were not White nationalists though. Most of the liberal White nationalists are neopagans with some being atheists.

I can understand why the split is happening to some extent. I do get really frustrated with some people on the right who seem overly obsessed with racial issues. If the only topic someone cares about is immigration and kicking non-white people out of the country I don't feel like they're a real conservative. And I'm also not fond of people constantly talking about immigration and how bad diversity is. People on this forum are a little more relaxed on the racial topics then people on 4chan are which I appreciate. I get so sick of some right-wingers talking about race all the time. I especially get pissed off when a supposedly conservative person talks about how great countries like Iceland, Denmark or Finland is just because these countries are super White when in reality they are extreme feminist hellholes.

I went to a very White college. It was like 85% White, and that proved to me that the common denominator that makes cultures terrible is liberalism, degeneracy, and feminism. I got along with the non-White foreigners at my college better then any of the White students. So it kind of pisses me off when I see some people on the right being so obsessed with racial issues.

[MrMan]

@Yohan the USA is made up of states that have their own laws governing. There was a state law overturned by the Supreme Court that had prohibited racial mixing, but that was not a national law.