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Shemp wrote: ↑

August 28th, 2021, 5:09 am

Of course, anywhere there are shorter women. There are plenty of women in Ukraine who are too short for me to comfortably dance with them, for example. One the other night was like a full head shorter, so 151cm versus my 181cm. Plenty of women like that in the USA too.

Shemp wrote: ↑

August 28th, 2021, 1:42 am

I went back and reviewed some posts here from 2016. I was still looking for normal non-paid women in Ukraine then. In 2017, I ran through a bunch of escorts until I found a keeper, then saw her remainder of that summer, 2018 summer, 2019 summer, then July 2020 until July 2021 (Year of the Great Covid Plague) then I got bored and decided to be alone for a couple months, including now. She's 30 years younger, a beauty, we like and respect each other as equals, but we are both natural loners and probably equally incapable of deep love. I'll probably resume seeing her next month.

My impression is that Ukraine has changed in past 5 years and western foreigners have less prestige now than then, but Kyiv is still very good hunting for men in their 30's or 40's, with university education and good income, who can live in Ukraine and want to marry a university educated woman in her late 20's or early 30's and start a family. There is a huge surplus here of such educated "leftover" women who cannot find suitable husbands, meaning husbands who are also educated and who have an income higher than that of the woman and who want to marry and have a family with children.

Leftover does not mean ugly, by any means. Some of these women are legitimate top 10% or higher of physical beauty, intelligence, health, etc. Problem is that women always want to marry "up". I put "up" in quotes because women literally want taller men, but also figuratively want up: equal or higher intelligence, education, income, social status. If a woman is very intelligent and has a successful career of her own, she cannot feel comfortable giving up that career to become a mother other than for an truly exceptional man: someone with a better career, equal social status, etc. Such top tier men in Ukraine often deliberately choose a lower tier woman to marry, so they can control her better, then use top tier woman as mistresses. Furthermore, men tend to marry women under age 25, and if a woman passes that threshold for some reason, maybe because the guy she was hoping to marry didn't carry through, then she becomes leftover despite being high quality.

Facial looks is one place where women will marry down without too much objection, because facial looks of children are a genetic lottery mix of mother and father genes. Consider the normal children of that monstrous looking Mick Jagger, for example. This is also why top tier men in Ukraine don't mind marrying women with average faces. Facial beauty does not necessarily transfer to children. Other physical traits and the woman's reliability as lifelong partner are more important.

Anyway, I'm not looking to marry, but even at age 60, I have beautiful women in their early 30's making it very clear that they would be delighted to marry me. But that interest is for marriage, not casual sex. For casual sex, I have to go for women in their 40's or up (some of then still beautiful), or else pay women in their young 20's (sugar daddy).

yick wrote: ↑

August 29th, 2021, 4:45 am

I have heard that there are loads of Arabs, Turks and Indians that have totally swamped and ruined the place, is this true?

Shemp wrote: ↑

August 29th, 2021, 5:22 am

yick wrote: ↑

August 29th, 2021, 4:45 am

I have heard that there are loads of Arabs, Turks and Indians that have totally swamped and ruined the place, is this true?

First part is true: incredible number of Arabs especially in Kyiv now because Ukraine is visa free to them currently with no covid restrictions (other than negative test to board aircraft). But they can't ruin normal Ukrainian women because no normal Ukrainian women is interested in marrying and moving to an Arab country or India. A very small number of women might consider moving to Istanbul or other Western Turkish cities, but only for a very special man. So that means these guys only compete for normal women if they are able to move to Ukraine, which most can not or will not do.

As for prostitutes, Arabs, Turks and Indians add competition there, but a good indicator of how Ukrainian women think about these clients is that independents are increasingly writing "no Muslims" or "no foreigners" in their profiles. As for brothels and strip clubs, only the most desperate girls and men go there, so who cares about that. My impression is most of these Muslims and Hindus end up spending a small fortune for bad sex with a not pretty 35 or older fatty. But at least she was blonde, which they cant get back home.

I'm not involved with seeking new girls for mongering right now, since I can always contact that regular, but monger friends assure me that they still get access to top quality young girls, though price is substantially higher than last year. But then prices for everything in Kyiv are up in past few years.

publicduende wrote: ↑

August 29th, 2021, 5:33 am

One thing I noticed during my trip to Turkey (have been there on 3 separate occasions), Turkish men, especially those in their 40s or 50s, seem to love bodacious blonde women. So I have seen plenty of clubs with blonde Eastern European-looking women (Ukranian? Russian? Bulgarian?) who would definitely be considered "fat" or "overweight" in their own home countries and be far from popular.

I have never been to Arab countries like Dubai or Saudi Arabia but it might be the same there, too.

So, maybe, there's a entertainment/sex industry niche for these kinds of women, too?