Conspiracy Theories Are Illogical

[Gali]

I agree with most of what you said. Take into account that your values are your subjective values. Because you think something is evil does not mean it is evil. For example I can imagine in the future most people want to have microchips in their brain. The existence of an elite has not to be a bad thing. Communism has its values. It is not bad in every context. You are on a good way but do not expect clear answers to these topics. Just be a student and be patient in getting familiar with these concepts without falling into hyperbole. That is how you can build a good foundation where you will be taken seriously.

[Gali]

btw check this in case you did not hear about it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Operation Gladio: How the West Wanted to Defend against the USSR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIat4tYtG94

[Winston]

I agree with most of what you said. Take into account that your values are your subjective values. Because you think something is evil does not mean it is evil. For example I can imagine in the future most people want to have microchips in their brain. The existence of an elite has not to be a bad thing. Communism has its values. It is not bad in every context. You are on a good way but do not expect clear answers to these topics. Just be a student and be patient in getting familiar with these concepts without falling into hyperbole. That is how you can build a good foundation where you will be taken seriously.

Do you mean microchips in your brain are not necessarily bad? lol. You should tell that to Cornfed or Moretorque. They will freak out. lol

What is good about communism? It's cohesion and family values? How come socialism in the USSR or China didn't create feminism or gay rights, but in the US it did? It seems inconsistent.

Yes I agree that elites are not necessarily evil. They do not care about good or evil, they just do what's necessary to maintain the system. Same with what any good CEO does. They don't care about good or evil or morality labels. Only in preserving their system or business and how to make it thrive in the long term picture.

[Tsar]

I agree with most of what you said. Take into account that your values are your subjective values. Because you think something is evil does not mean it is evil. For example I can imagine in the future most people want to have microchips in their brain. The existence of an elite has not to be a bad thing. Communism has its values. It is not bad in every context. You are on a good way but do not expect clear answers to these topics. Just be a student and be patient in getting familiar with these concepts without falling into hyperbole. That is how you can build a good foundation where you will be taken seriously.

Do you mean microchips in your brain are not necessarily bad? lol. You should tell that to Cornfed or Moretorque. They will freak out. lol

What is good about communism? It's cohesion and family values? How come socialism in the USSR or China didn't create feminism or gay rights, but in the US it did? It seems inconsistent.

Yes I agree that elites are not necessarily evil. They do not care about good or evil, they just do what's necessary to maintain the system. Same with what any good CEO does. They don't care about good or evil or morality labels. Only in preserving their system or business and how to make it thrive in the long term picture.

I think that socialism did create feminism in the USSR which is why the birthrates fell early on and even the Soviet Union eventually began to struggle to increase the birthrates again. What probably is responsible for the women not being bad like Western girls is they have a lot more competition because many females look nice, they lived through a lot or their society did making them more mature, and Russia is more like a post-feminist society.

The West adopted Radical Feminism which is also dogmatic like atheism.

Sort of different.

Religions that dogmatic atheists like to use as examples, which typically means Buddhism, doesn't have a god but it doesn't automatically reject the idea or disrespect people who believe in a god.

In the West, feminism has become a pseudo-atheist religion of you really think about it.

[Gali]

I agree with most of what you said. Take into account that your values are your subjective values. Because you think something is evil does not mean it is evil. For example I can imagine in the future most people want to have microchips in their brain. The existence of an elite has not to be a bad thing. Communism has its values. It is not bad in every context. You are on a good way but do not expect clear answers to these topics. Just be a student and be patient in getting familiar with these concepts without falling into hyperbole. That is how you can build a good foundation where you will be taken seriously.

Do you mean microchips in your brain are not necessarily bad? lol. You should tell that to Cornfed or Moretorque. They will freak out. lol

What is good about communism? It's cohesion and family values? How come socialism in the USSR or China didn't create feminism or gay rights, but in the US it did? It seems inconsistent.

Yes I agree that elites are not necessarily evil. They do not care about good or evil, they just do what's necessary to maintain the system. Same with what any good CEO does. They don't care about good or evil or morality labels. Only in preserving their system or business and how to make it thrive in the long term picture.

As you do have problems with believing history things are difficult to explain. Just ask reddit. Conspiracy theories are drugs for narcissists.

[Gali]

What is illusory pattern perception?
Illusory pattern perception is when your brain perceives a pattern when one doesn’t actually exist. Humans are primed to see patterns, so this actually happens more often than you probably realize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYQCIphJhAk

[WorldTraveler]

Dear all,
After doing some thinking the last few weeks, I've come to the conclusion that maybe @WorldTraveler was right in a sense. Not because conspiracies don't exist. But because the mindset of conspiracy truthers and Christian truthers is based on a lot of faulty premises and fictional good vs. evil characterizations which are largely a perception and not objective fact. Let me explain.

I'm sure no one here denies that conspiracies exist. After all, we all agree that the US government, and other governments in the third world, are corrupt. And corruption by definition is a form of conspiracy, especially if it's under the table and unofficial. So corruption and conspiracy are intertwined. Because political corruption is a form of conspiracy and it takes a conspiracy to create corruption in politics and government. So I don't think anyone denies that. And of course, some events are well documented conspiracies, such as the JFK and RFK assassinations, and probably the Princess Diana assassination too. I think even WorldTraveler will admit to that. There's nothing extraordinary or implausible about powerful people taking someone out that they view as a threat, and then covering it up. That happens all the time in CIA and mafia and shadow government.

However, the real question I think is this: Is there a secret cabal that runs the world or America? I mean like a secret cult that runs everything from the shadows behind the scenes? Like they show in The X-Files and other movies, such as Wander (2020). If so, to what extent do they control everything exactly? That's the real issue. If there is no such cabal, then could it be partially true or metaphorically true then? Is it 100 percent false? Or just overly exaggerated? If so, to what extent?

I think those are the crucial questions here. Not whether conspiracies are everywhere or nothing is a conspiracy because conspiracies don't exist. People on both sides who make such extreme claims are like the Christians fundamentalists vs. the dogmatic Atheists, both of which are highly flawed and make a lot of false assumptions. So I think it's a false dichotomy to make the issue into whether everything is a conspiracy or nothing is a conspiracy. People who claim that it's all or nothing are extremists who are naive and don't take into account the big picture and one obvious truth, which I will get into later in the next post.

What made you decide that there may not be a secret cabal or lizard people running the world? I don't believe there is any one group that runs the world. It is silly. Countries do too many self defeating things that a one government would allow happen. How do you explain why the Chinese government is ruining their own economy, because they don't want companies to become too strong. The world is way to chaotic to have one cabal running it. Conspiracy theorist see patterns everywhere. Conspiracy theories provide incorrect simple answers to to complex problems.

Yes there are conspiracies everywhere, if you consider people stating they are doing something for one reason, but are really doing it for another reason. The government never tells you the truth whenever they do anything. They tell the people what they think they want to hear. A war is never as simple as a government explains. They keep it patriotic to appeal to the public. These are conspiracies. I told you years ago to read the "Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein.

Conspriacty Theories serve the same purpose as a religion. If you are a believer you are smart. If you are not you are dumb. There is a great chapter in Mark Manson's new book "Everything Is F**ked." It's called, "How to Start Your Own Religion". Here it is in article form. Religion or Conspiracy Theory believer, it's all the same. Read this and you'll see.

https://markmanson.net/how-to-start-a-c ... e-world

Yes, conspiracies or things are not as stated, happen all the time. Just not the large ones like a cabal or lizard people running the world.

[Winston]

I agree @WorldTraveler that no group of humans could be running large scale conspiracies and covert operations and executing them to perfection. Even if they had agents infiltrating all aspects of society, there is too much that could go wrong.

However, if we are in a simulation like some professors and physicists now believe, then the A.I. computer that runs the matrix could be organizing them, and not a group of people. Just saying. If so then our whole reality is an illusion and game and psyop. I've seen a lot of synchronicities that tell me that our reality is some type of illusion or matrix, like Eastern Religions have always said. Some synchronicities are too amazing to be chance, especially if they happen too frequently, since a pattern by definition cannot be due to chance. I also believe after studying religion and the occult that there is a hidden cosmic order in the universe, otherwise we would not exist and not be surrounded by intelligent design everywhere including in our own bodies. Even Einstein said this about God and the universe, that there is a hidden order and divine hand otherwise the universe could not exist. That divine hand could be a matrix computer.

I came to this realization because too many truthers are paranoid and project their own demons onto these conspiracy theories. It's obviously a form of fear porn and horror movie. Horror movies are fun once in a while, but if you fixate on them all the time, it's unhealthy. Same with conspiracies. I know many conspiracies are true and real, but these truthers act like their freedom is dependent on whether the government lets them be free or not, and that's over the top. The average American does not have any government agents or police officers bothering them at all. As long as they don't break the law too much, they are left alone. It's the same in any country, even in China. In China no government agent ever bothered me, so I don't see how government control is the main factor in whether I am free or not. It makes no sense and therefore seems like fear porn, not reality.

[Winston]

Some conspiracies are well documented and proven to be factual. For example, it is historically well documented and a proven fact that the elite and banking cartel sponsor and fund socialism and communism under the guise of "democracy" and "social justice". This great documentary below by G. Edward Griffin (one of the most credible figures in the truth movement) explains why. Everything in this documentary is historically documented and factual, not theories. Also see the groundbreaking book from 1972 by Gary Allen called "None Dare Call It Conspiracy", which you can find PDF copies of online if you Google it.



Btw here's a PDF copy of "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" by Gary Allen. It explains it all in layman's terms and is easy to understand.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid= ... TQ2NTI0NjA

[Winston]

Also keep in mind WorldTraveler, that being a Coincidence Theorist and claiming that everything must be a coincidence and that all criminals must be acting alone is foolhardy and denialist too. This podcast below does a good job in explaining how ludicrous that is. So you should be skeptical of both sides, not just the conspiracy side. The anti-conspiracy side can be just as fallacious and crazy. At least the truthers try to think for themselves and do not appeal to authority or have a blind trust in authority or worship authority. So the truthers are slightly more logical and freethinking. Consider the points below.

COINCIDENCE THEORISTS (MINDSHOCK Conspiracy Podcast)

Examining Coincidence Theorists - those who do not believe in conspiracies, only coincidences, in typical Mindshock fashion - objective logic and reason at the forefront!

[Winston]

@WorldTraveler

Mindshock analyzes and exposes the logical fallacies of Dr. Todd Grande in regard to "conspiracy theories". This is one of the most objective non-authority worshipping podcasts out there. One of my favorites. The host thinks a lot like I do.

DR. TODD GRANDE - A LOGICAL ANALYSIS (MINDSHOCK PODCAST)

Examining mental health "expert" and PhD Dr. Todd Grande on his views on Conspiracy Theories and the mindset of Conspiracy Theorists.



Part 2:

[Winston]

Matt has an interesting but way out of the bookends explanation for conspiracies. He says that nearly no one is "in on it" when it comes to major conspiracies, and that's why conspiracies theories are "illogical" as this thread suggests. However they do exist, and the reason is because the nature of reality is not what we think it is at all. We live in some kind of fake dream world reality run by an IT, or a beast we cannot define. That is how conspiracies can exist without anyone being in on it or organizing it at the human level. It's hard to explain, but you gotta change the way you view reality altogether to grasp this. So the conspiracy deniers or normies are right that a ton of people cannot possibly be in on a conspiracy or organizing it. However, they still exist in a sense because our whole reality isn't what we think it is. I think he's onto something, but this is very scary.

If you wanna hear more, listen to how Matt explains it below. This is not for newbies though, it's very advanced past the K-12 truther levels. @gsjackson what do you think?

[Winston]

Btw @WorldTraveler. Keep in mind that while u may be right that a group of normal humans cannot rule the whole world or control the whole world, that doesn't rule out 4th dimensional entities or deities or an AI from ruling the world. Especially if we are living in a computer simulation like many experts now say. I know u dont like to go there but it can't be ruled out. Just saying.

Consider this: Your body has around 40 trillion cells. Who controls all those cells? Not your mind. Not one person. So who manages their duties and functions and reproduction 24/7? Obviously some automated system or program must. Or some information field from the 4th dimension beyond physical reality. Think about it.

Likewise our world and reality could be run by some hidden automated system too. Theres certainly evidence of that. Like from amazing synchronicities for instance that are trillions to one, especially if combined with other amazing synchronicities in a cluster. No random chance can explain that. Look up Carl Jung. Big picture thinking.

[WilliamSmith]

It is illogical to believe that two or more people might arrange to do bring about some future event in secret? That couldn’t possibly happen?