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MrMan wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 11:13 pm
I wonder if CE has an enemy staying in that hotel room.
CE is CE's worst enemy, it appears.


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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 4:44 pm
There has been research on why certain people are prone to believing conspiracy theories. Much of it has to do with their trying to make simple sense of an overly complex worlds, but some of it has to do with paranoia, autism spectrum disorders, and or mental illness.

When people can’t even see that theories are called theories because of a lack of evidence, it is pointless to engage with them.

When people consider their personal feelings and beliefs as “Evidence,” it is absolutely pointless to engage with them.

Their thinking is but a tangled web of opinions undifferentiated from fact and they will become increasingly frustrated by your need to see documentary proof, testimonies under oath, corroborated witness accounts, and all in healthy measure.

Theories are just theories for a reason. People who hinge their existences to the Illuminati and to the secret world elite cabals, simply want you to dwell in the mindset of hysteria in which they dwell.

Never let them pull you into their "whirled view;" please pardon the pun.
I have to agree with everything you said. I have found there is no reason to discuss conspiracy theories with believers, because they do not seek the truth. They just want to argue and present their theories. They don't understand scientific method and just seek evidence to support their theory. Are there conspiracies, yes, many. I just don't care about conspiracy theories.

Oh, these same people believe that the Coronavirus is fake and to control the population and take away the people's rights and for the New World Order to take over. All the usual baddies are involved.
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July 1st, 2020, 8:25 pm
Oh, these same people believe that the Coronavirus is fake and to control the population and take away the people's rights and for the New World Order to take over. All the usual baddies are involved.
Oh and let's not forget:

"911 was an inside job. The Israelis were in on it with President Bush, the FBI, and CIA."

My new favorite one is David Icke making people think that secret elites are really reptilian race of people in disguise. I had a girl try to explain this to me two weeks ago.

We live in a stressful period and these tall tales are comes peoples' coping mechanism. But I have to draw the line when they try to whip up legions of others into similar frenzies.
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HenryGeorge wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 12:30 am
MrMan wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 11:13 pm
I wonder if CE has an enemy staying in that hotel room.
Agent Smith? :lol:
Haha!
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 8:55 pm
WorldTraveler wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 8:25 pm
Oh, these same people believe that the Coronavirus is fake and to control the population and take away the people's rights and for the New World Order to take over. All the usual baddies are involved.
Oh and let's not forget:

"911 was an inside job. The Israelis were in on it with President Bush, the FBI, and CIA."

My new favorite one is David Icke making people think that secret elites are really reptilian race of people in disguise. I had a girl try to explain this to me two weeks ago.
I hope you at least got to lay her, if you had to listen to that dribble about lizard people. Yuck!
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WorldTraveler wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 10:36 pm
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 8:55 pm
WorldTraveler wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 8:25 pm
Oh, these same people believe that the Coronavirus is fake and to control the population and take away the people's rights and for the New World Order to take over. All the usual baddies are involved.
Oh and let's not forget:

"911 was an inside job. The Israelis were in on it with President Bush, the FBI, and CIA."

My new favorite one is David Icke making people think that secret elites are really reptilian race of people in disguise. I had a girl try to explain this to me two weeks ago.
I hope you at least go to lay her, if you had to listen to that dribble about lizard people. Yuck!
She's old news from my past and lives in the UK. We just keep in touch....

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WorldTraveler wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 2:50 pm
Excellent analysis of this Q phenomenon and the conspiracy theory problem as a whole! I it is interesting that he cites a connection between CTs and mental illness, though I acknowledge that some healthy people lapse into CTs as a coping mechanism in times of uncertainty.

I would be curious to get @GSJackson's take on this video. He is a loyal Q follower which is counter-intuitive because he is one of the most intelligent and accomplished members on this forum.
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Conspiracies are very real. Ask any prosecuting attorney. There are everyday conspiracies. It doesn't even take much. A drug cartel, for example, is a conspiracy. There is nothing elusive about it. It happens all the time.

Now just imagine the conspirators have power.

Conspiracy:

1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose:
e.g. He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
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Neo wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 3:15 pm
Conspiracies are very real. Ask any prosecuting attorney. There are everyday conspiracies. It doesn't even take much. A drug cartel, for example, is a conspiracy. There is nothing elusive about it. It happens all the time.

Now just imagine the conspirators have power.

Conspiracy:

1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose:
e.g. He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
Yes, we know. The crime of conspiracy is altogether different and requires actual EVIDENCE in order to convict. I covered this earlier in the thread so you are not breaking any new ground. Sorry.

By contrast, conspiracy THEORIES, by definition, lack objective evidence and rely on conjecture, feeling, rumor, denial of key facts, discrediting of certain authorities, and paranoia and that is why they are mere theories. Might some conspiracy theories turn out to be true? Certainly, but most would likely be mostly untrue.

This might be a bit difficult for you as someone who believes in Christianity hook, line, and sinker without any concrete evidence. It goes to show that you are susceptible to believing almost anything simply because someone told you so. Well, many of us live in an evidence-based world so fantasyland does not resonate with us as it does with you.
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April 26th, 2020, 9:43 pm
It is illogical to believe that two or more people might arrange to do bring about some future event in secret? That couldn’t possibly happen?
People can conspire to do much of anything, from revolutionary activity, to fraud, to commit usury, to murder, to withhold food, etc. Some people can believe it, while others cannot.

Some people think that because one conspiracy was exposed that therefore conspiracies are impossible. However, it could also just mean that only one is found out while most are successfully kept secret.

Also, the stigma attached to conspiracy theories, along with the ridicule, and the muddying of the waters with a multitude of fake conspiracy theories that are garbage, make true conspiracies harder to believe.

There are entire agencies committed to keeping secrets. That's what "Top Secret" designation is all about. Those are secrets that are kept, and the people who have access to those secrets are very highly scrutinized to insure that they are the right type of people who can keep their mouths shut.

For over one thousand years the Chinese were able to keep the secret of how to make silk clothing a secret from all non-Chinese persons.
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I'd heard a summary of Q-Anon and I've encountered people who hold to similar ideas about the deep state. I did not know about the Utopian ending to it all. Where was Q supposed to have gotten that information?

As I recall, Marx and Engle had a kind of Utopian ending for the working class struggle in their theory, and millions followed their theory after revolution and the point of the gun made it fashionable in certain countries. Were they all mentally ill? There are mass delusions and entire cultures that hold to ideas we would consider quite strange. That is not quite the same thing as mental illness.
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For those of you who think conspiracies are BS or unrealistic or improbable, think again! These paragraphs from the first few chapters of "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" by Gary Allen will convince you otherwise, if you are rational and logical that is. They explain in simple logical terms why conspiracies are not only very plausible, but also highly PROBABLE as well, using common sense logic that everyone can understand and that rational people will agree with. You deniers have no excuse this time. Please read the paragraphs below and you will see that you were obviously wrong and that conspiracies make PERFECT SENSE after all.

This book is known as a major eye opener in the truth movement and explains the chaos going on in this world in easy to understand terms to enlighten the reader. After you read this, all the chaos in the world will finally make sense to you and you will definitely be enlightened for sure. This book is also easy to understand so there's no excuse. It's definitely a MUST READ! Here is the link to the online version below. @Moretorque will definitely love it.

http://www.whale.to/b/allen_b1.html

Now here are the paragraphs that explain why conspiracies are very logical, plausible, and probable, and thus should NOT be denied or dismissed. Please read! Especially @Yohan, @Contrarian Expatriate, and @WorldTraveler, you guys will definitely change your mind once you read and contemplate the below. As you can see, nobody could argue with it, for it makes perfect sense.

"Everyone knows that Adolph Hitler existed. No one disputes that. The terror and destruction that this madman inflicted upon the world are universally recognized. Hitler came from a poor family which had absolutely no social position. He was a high school drop-out and nobody ever accused him of being cultured. Yet this man tried to conquer the world. During his early career he sat in a cold garret and poured onto paper his ambitions to rule the world. We know that.

Similarly, we know that a man named Vladimir Ilich Lenin also existed. Like Hitler, Lenin did not spring from a family of social lions. The son of a petty bureaucrat, Lenin, who spent most of his adult life in poverty, has been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of your fellow human beings and the enslavement of nearly a billion more. Like Hitler, Lenin sat up nights in a dank garret scheming how he could conquer the world. We know that too.

Is it not theoretically possible that a billionaire could be sitting, not in a garret, but in a penthouse, in Manhattan, London or Paris and dream the same dream as Lenin and Hitler? You will have to admit it is theoretically possible. Julius Caesar, a wealthy aristocrat, did. And such a man might form an alliance or association with other like-minded men, might he not? Caesar did. These men would be superbly educated, command immense social prestige and be able to pool astonishing amounts of money to carry out their purposes. These are advantages that Hitler and Lenin did not have.

It is difficult for the average individual to fathom such perverted lust for power. The typical person, of whatever nationality, wants only to enjoy success in his job, to be able to afford a reasonably high standard of living complete with leisure and travel. He wants to provide for his family in sickness and in health and to give his children a sound education. His ambition stops there. He has no desire to exercise power over others, to conquer other lands or peoples, to be a king. He wants to mind his own business and enjoy life. Since he has no lust for power, it is difficult for him to imagine that there are others who have … others who march to a far different drum. But we must realize that there have been Hitlers and Lenins and Stalins and Caesars and Alexander the Greats throughout history. Why should we assume there are no such men today with perverted lusts for power? And if these men happen to be billionaires is it not possible that they would use men like Hitler and Lenin as pawns to seize power for themselves?

Indeed, difficult as this is to believe, such is the case. Like Columbus, we are faced with the task of convincing you that the world is not flat, as you have been led to believe all your life, but, instead, is round. We are going to present evidence that what you call "Communism" is not run from Moscow or Peking, but is an arm of a bigger conspiracy run from New York, London and Paris. The men at the apex of this movement are not Communists in the traditional sense of that term. They feel no loyalty to Moscow of Peking. They are loyal only to themselves and their undertaking. And these men certainly do not believe in the clap-trap pseudo-philosophy of Communism. They have no intention of dividing their wealth. Socialism is a philosophy which conspirators exploit, but in which only the naive believe. Just how finance capitalism is used as the anvil and Communism as the hammer to conquer the world will be explained in this book."


See what I mean guys? Those paragraphs make perfect sense right? A no brainer! No one would argue or disagree with those points. Now read the following paragraphs too, which also make perfect sense.

"We know that down through the annals of history small groups of men have existed who have conspired to bring the reins of power into their hands. History books are full of their schemes. Even Life magazine believes in conspiracies like the Cosa Nostra where men conspire to make money through crime. You may recall that Life did a series of articles on the testimony of Joseph Valachi before the McClellan Committee several years ago. There are some aspects of those revelations which are worth noting.

Most of us did not know the organization was called Cosa Nostra. Until Valachi "sang" we all thought it was named the Mafia. That is how little we knew about this group, despite the fact that it was a century old and had been operating in many countries with a self-perpetuating clique of leaders. We didn't even know it by its proper name. It is not possible a political conspiracy might exist, waiting for a Joseph Valachi to testify? Is Dr. Carroll Quigley the Joseph Valachi of political conspiracies?

We see that everybody, even Life magazine, believes in some sort of conspiracy. The question is: Which is the more lethal form of conspiracy criminal or political? And what is the difference between a member of the Cosa Nostra and a Communist, or more properly, an insider conspirator? Men like Lucky Luciano who have scratched and clawed to the top of the heap in organized crime must, of necessity, be diabolically brilliant, cunning and absolutely ruthless. But, almost without exception, the men in the hierarchy of organized crime have had no formal education. They were born into poverty and learned their trade in the back alleys of Naples, New York or Chicago.

Now suppose someone with this same amoral grasping personality were born into a patrician family of great wealth and was educated at the best prep schools, then Harvard, Yale or Princeton, followed by graduate work possibly at Oxford. In these institutions he would become totally familiar with history, economics, psychology, sociology and political science. After having graduated from such illustrious establishments of higher learning, are we likely to find him out on the streets peddling fifty cent tickets to a numbers game? Would you find him pushing marijuana to high schoolers or running a string of houses of prostitution? Would he be getting involved in gang-land killings? Not at all. For with that sort of education, this person would realize that if one wants power, real power, the lessons of history say, "Get into the government business." Become a politician and work for political power or, better yet, get some politicians to front for you. That is where the real power — and the real money — is.

Conspiracy to seize the power of government is as old as government itself. We can study the — conspiracies surrounding Alcibiades in Greece or Julius Caesar in ancient, Rome, but we are not supposed to think that men today scheme to achieve political power.

Every conspirator has two things in common with every other conspirator. He must be an accomplished liar and a far-seeing planner. Whether you are studying Hitler, Alcibiades, Julius Caesar or some of our contemporary conspirators, you will find that their patient planning is almost overwhelming. We repeat FDR's statement: "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.""


See what I mean? Makes perfect sense. No one could argue with that. So you see, you guys who deny conspiracies were WRONG all along! It's so simple and obvious when you understand the reality and big picture.

Finally, this part below from the book about how international bankers control kings and governments also makes perfect sense and will enlighten you about how things work in this world. It's what @Moretorque has been trying to tell you guys for years and supports what he says.

"In order to understand the conspiracy it is necessary to have some rudimentary knowledge of banking and, particularly, of international bankers. While it would be an over-simplification to ascribe the entire conspiracy to international bankers, they nevertheless have played a key role. Think of the conspiracy as a hand with one finger labelled "international banking," others "foundations," "the anti-religion movement" "Fabian Socialism," and "Communism." But it was the international bankers of whom Professor Quigley was speaking when we quoted him earlier as stating that their aim was nothing less than control of the world through finance.

Where do governments get the enormous amounts of money they need? Most, of course, comes from taxation; but governments often spend more than they are willing to tax from their citizens and so are forced to borrow. Our national debt is now $455 billion on every cent of it borrowed at interest from somewhere.

The public is led to believe that our government borrows from "the people" through savings bonds. Actually, only the smallest percentage of the national debt is held by individuals in this form. Most government bonds, except those owned by the government itself through its trust funds, are held by vast banking firms known as international banks.

For centuries there has been big money to be made by international bankers in the financing of governments and kings. Such operators are faced, however, with certain thorny problems. We know that smaller banking operations protect themselves by taking collateral, but what kind of collateral can you get from a government or a king? What if the banker comes to collect and the king says, "Off with his head"? The process through which one collects a debt from a government or a monarch is not a subject taught in the business schools of our universities, and most of us-never having been in the business of financing kings-have not given the problem much thought But there is a king-financing business and to those who can ensure collection it is lucrative indeed.

Economics Professor Stuart Crane notes that there are two means used to collateralize loans to governments and kings. Whenever a business firm borrows big money its creditor obtains a voice in management to protect his investment. Like a business, no government can borrow big money unless willing to surrender to the creditor some measure of sovereignty as collateral. Certainly international bankers who have loaned hundred' of billions of dollars to governments around the work command considerable influence in the policies of such governments.

But the ultimate advantage the creditor has over the king or president is that if the ruler gets out of line the banker can finance his enemy or rival. Therefore, if you want to stay in the lucrative king-financing business, it is wise to have an enemy or rival waiting in the wings to unseat every king or president to whom you lend. If the king doesn't have an enemy, you must create one.

Preeminent in playing this game was the famous House of Rothschild. Its founder, Meyer Amschel Rothschild (1743-1812) of Frankfurt, Germany, kept one of his five sons at home to run the Frankfurt bank and sent the others to London, Paris, Vienna and Naples. The Rothschilds became incredibly wealthy during the nineteenth century by financing governments to fight each other. According to Professor Stuart Crane:

"If you will look back at every war in Europe during the Nineteenth Century, you will see that they always ended with the establishment of a 'balance of power.' With every re-shuffling there was a balance of power in a new grouping around the House of Rothschild in England, France, or Austria. They grouped nations so that if any king got out of line a war would break out and the war would be decided by which way the financing went. Researching the debt positions of the warring nations will usually indicate who was to be punished."

In describing the characteristics of the Rothschilds and other major international bankers, Dr. Quigley tells us that they remained different from ordinary bankers in several ways: they were cosmopolitan and international; they were close to governments and were particularly concerned with government debts, including foreign government debts; these bankers came to be called "international bankers." (Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, p.52)

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Since the keystone of the international banking empires has been government bonds it has been in the interest of these international bankers to encourage government debt. The higher the debt the more the interest Nothing drives government deeply into debt like a war; and it has not been an uncommon practice among international bankers to finance both sides of the bloodiest military conflicts. For example, during our Civil War the North was financed by the Rothschilds through their American agent, August Belmont, and the American South through the Erlangers, Rothschild relatives.

But while wars and revolutions have been useful to international bankers in gaining or increasing control over governments, the key to such control has always been control of money. You can control a government if you have it in your debt; a creditor is in a position to demand the privileges of monopoly from the sovereign. Money-seeking governments have granted monopolies in state banking, natural resources, oil concessions and transportation. However, the monopoly which the international financiers most covet is control over a nation's money.

Eventually these international bankers actually owned as private corporations the central banks of the various European nations. The Bank of England, Bank of France and Bank of Germany were not owned by their respective governments, as almost everyone imagines, but were privately owned monopolies granted by the heads of state, usually in return for loans. Under this system, observed Reginald McKenna, President of the Midlands Bank of England: "Those that create and issue the money and credit direct the policies of government and hold in their hands the destiny of the people." Once the government is in debt to the bankers it is at their mercy. A frightening example was cited by the London Financial Times of September 26, 1921, which revealed that even at that time:

"Half a dozen men at the top of the Big Five Banks could upset the whole fabric of government finance by refraining from renewing Treasury Bills."

All those who have sought dictatorial control over modern nations have understood the necessity of a central bank. When the League of Just Men hired a hack revolutionary named Karl Marx to write a blueprint for conquest called The Communist Manifesto, the fifth plank read: "Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly." Lenin later said that the establishment of a central bank was ninety percent of communizing a country. Such conspirators knew that you can not take control of a nation without military force unless that nation has a central bank through which you can control its economy. The anarchist Bakunin sarcastically remarked about the followers of Karl Marx: "They have one foot in the bank and one foot in the socialist movement."

The international financiers set up their own front man in charge of each of Europe's central banks. Professor Quigley reports:

"It must not be felt that these heads of the world's chief central banks were themselves substantive powers in world finance. They were not. Rather, they were the technicians and agents of the dominant investment bankers of their own countries, who had raised them up and were perfectly capable of throwing them down. The substantive financial powers of the world were in the hands of these investment bankers (also called 'international' or 'merchants' bankers) who renamed largely behind the scenes in their own unincorporated (private banks.] These formed a system of international cooperation and national dominance which was more private, more powerful, and more secret than that of their agents in the central banks…" (Quigley, op. cit., pp.326-7.)

Dr. Quigley also reveals that the international bankers who owned and controlled the Banks of England and France maintained their power even after those Banks were theoretically socialized.

Naturally those who controlled the central banks of Europe were eager from the start to fasten a similar establishment on the United States. From the earliest days, the Founding Fathers had been conscious of attempts to control America through money manipulation, and they carried on a running battle with the international bankers. Thomas Jefferson wrote to John Adams: "I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies"."


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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Neo wrote:
September 6th, 2020, 3:15 pm
Conspiracies are very real. Ask any prosecuting attorney. There are everyday conspiracies. It doesn't even take much. A drug cartel, for example, is a conspiracy. There is nothing elusive about it. It happens all the time.

Now just imagine the conspirators have power.

Conspiracy:

1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose:
e.g. He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
Yes, we know. The crime of conspiracy is altogether different and requires actual EVIDENCE in order to convict. I covered this earlier in the thread so you are not breaking any new ground. Sorry.

By contrast, conspiracy THEORIES, by definition, lack objective evidence and rely on conjecture, feeling, rumor, denial of key facts, discrediting of certain authorities, and paranoia and that is why they are mere theories. Might some conspiracy theories turn out to be true? Certainly, but most would likely be mostly untrue.

This might be a bit difficult for you as someone who believes in Christianity hook, line, and sinker without any concrete evidence. It goes to show that you are susceptible to believing almost anything simply because someone told you so. Well, many of us live in an evidence-based world so fantasyland does not resonate with us as it does with you.
Well duh. Of course if YOU and your friends were involved in a conspiracy against the US government, then they could and would arrest you for it, and of course they could present evidence for it in a court of law. No one disputes that. But if the government were involved in a conspiracy against YOU, could you arrest them for it or present evidence in court? Of course not. See the double standard? And since international bankers control the government and lend them money, they can get away with anything too. But YOU can't. See how the real world works? Might makes right. Everyone knows that. Why do you deny it?

Tell me. Are you actually dumb enough to believe that Oswald acted alone? Or that some people in a cave in Afghanistan were able to order NORAD to stand down on 9-11? If so, I have a bridge to sell you. No one actually believes those things. Do you?

One man, Jim Garrison, District Attorney of Louisiana, did take the US government to court for the JFK murder in 1967. He would have won his case but some of his key witnesses, such as David Ferrie, were killed off before they could testify, for obvious reasons (can you guess or does it have to be spelled out to you? lol are you low IQ? lol). If that hadn't happened, his case would have held up in court. It was a big missed opportunity to convict the perpetrators. But of course, too many people in power were involved for the truth to be known.

The second government investigation, the House Select Committee of Assassinations, concluded in 1978 that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK, but they could do nothing about it, because the people involved were in high places and untouchable. But that doesn't mean that the conspiracy isn't true of course.

Do you even care about what's true? Why do you deny all the evidence in the world and claim it doesn't exist when it does? Are you blind or ignorant or dishonest? Has to be one of those. There's no way around it. If you are given lots of proof and you claim there is no proof, then you are hopeless and either dishonest or in denial of reality or so closed minded that you delete data and info that you don't like, which means you aren't a truth seeker.

Btw, conspiracy believers do not use the term "conspiracy THEORY". That's the term the controlled media use to discredit conspiracies. Didn't you know that? This has been pointed out by truthers since the 1990's. Where have you been? Why are you so uneducated and low IQ? LOL.

Jim Marrs said he was lecturing and writing about conspiracy FACTS, not theories. He called himself a "conspiracy factualist". I told you that many times, why do you ignore it? None of the top truthers use the term "conspiracy theory". ONLY the media and establishment defenders use that term. UNDERSTAND DUMMY?!

Btw, see the paragraphs above from my last post. It ends the debate for sure if you read and consider the simple points in them, which prove that conspiracies are very real, natural and make PERFECT SENSE after all. Read them and you will see that you were wrong all along. Case closed. You lose.

One good question the book above raised was that: We all acknowledge that political conspiracies existed in ancient Rome for example, so why then do we deny that political conspiracies exist today?

Great question. The answer of course, is that men like you Contrarian Expatriate, are PROGRAMMED to deny that political conspiracies exist today. PROGRAMMED, whether you know it or not, CE. YES this means you are a walking robot with a brainwashed head, sorry CE, but the truth is the truth. No one would deny that conspiracies exist unless they were PROGRAMMED and BRAINWASHED like you are now CE. It's not natural to deny conspiracies. Babies don't do it. Only programmed bots like you CE deny them. Think about it. Why would you deny that any political conspiracies exist today but admit that they existed in the ancient world? Cause that's what the elite and estalishment WANT you to believe, and you BOUGHT it, hook, line and sinker. So much for your "freethinking ability" CE, it obviously doesn't exist. Sorry.

There's no question you have a strong bias toward conspiracies and that you are NOT objective or neutral. You refuse to even follow the links I sent you, if you had, you would not say what you would say, and you would admit that you were wrong all along and apologize. But you don't want to be wrong, so you ignore all my links and refuse to see the clincher documentaries I sent you many times. You are hopeless and lost man. Debating with you is a waste of time. Even if you claimed 2+2=5, no one could make you admit you are wrong, because your ego and pride are SUPER STUBBORN and will NEVER EVER admit you were wrong about anything, EVER! We all know that.

Btw, David Icke's reptilian theory is not something new. It's been around since the 1990's. See how uneducated and uninformed you are? You don't even have basic facts straight. I'm dancing circles around you and you don't even realize it. lol

Btw, you cannot say definitively whether QAnon is a fraud or psyop or legit or not. It is an anonymous source so no one can say, not even an all knowing deity like yourself Contrarian Expatriate. lol. So don't pretend you know everything about an anonymous source. Even if it is a fraud and hoax, still it contains a lot of truth, and metaphorical truth too. Even great fiction is not 100 percent false and always contains great metaphorical truths, that applies even to Star Wars or the Works of Shakespeare or the Bible. Wise people know this. The greatest minds know this too.

You also forgot to take into account that QAnon appears to have access to government servers, which suggests it is someone from the inside. An ordinary hoaxer who is f***ing with people's minds for fun does NOT have access to government servers of course. Only employees of the US government do. I mentioned that in the QAnon thread.

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Did you see it? Why didn't you take that into account? Man you'd make a HORRIBLE researcher and detective. No one would ever hire you if you were a private eye, that's for sure. You don't have a fraction of the critical thinking skills that Sherlock Holmes or Columbo have. lol

Man you keep losing on every point. Aren't you embarassed dude? lol. Have you no shame? lol

Even your nemesis @hypermak does NOT deny that conspiracies exist. That right there is PROOF that he's smarter than you. That's for sure.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories Are Illogical

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I think you have become extremely paranoid @Winston, not to mention ornery. I wonder what this abrupt change in you all about. Whatever the case may be, it is unfortunate.
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