Conspiracy Theories Are Illogical

[WorldTraveler]

Work hard and..

Work hard at what exactly? Please be specific.

Your job. Do you have one? If not get one and try to get the best paying one you can get.

This thread is about Conspiracy Theories and not work.

[Moretorque]

Work hard and..

Work hard at what exactly? Please be specific.

Your job. Do you have one? If not get one and try to get the best paying one you can get.

This thread is about Conspiracy Theories and not work.

This is exactly what they want, do not ? the system as we debase and loot the world with a supply of #'s we get for free.

[Cornfed]

Work hard and..

Work hard at what exactly? Please be specific.

Your job. Do you have one? If not get one and try to get the best paying one you can get.

So you're just being silly then.

[Cornfed]

ContraianExpatriate was correct you wouldn't understand success.

What is to understand about CE's success. It is perfectly simple. He was given stuff for being black. This is not a conspiracy theory - the government openly gives blacks stuff for being black, females stuff for being female etc. - basically rewarding genetic inferiority.

[Moretorque]

ContraianExpatriate was correct you wouldn't understand success.

What is to understand about CE's success. It is perfectly simple. He was given stuff for being black. This is not a conspiracy theory - the government openly gives blacks stuff for being black, females stuff for being female etc. - basically rewarding genetic inferiority.

Women and blacks are not inferior, Some blacks are very gifted and women are superior to men in some major ways. The current system that has been going up is the world system of the British Jewish empire and yes people who are conforming to the current system for their success are essentially Stooges of the British empire and CE fits that bill IMO... Anybody who comes through the military and police forces are there to serve the elite out of Europe who set this system up as well as the colleges in most cases these days...

[Cornfed]

The current system that has been going up is the world system of the British Jewish empire and yes people who are conforming to the current system for their success are essentially Stooges of the British empire and CE fits that bill IMO... Anybody who comes through the military and police forces are their to serve the elite out of Europe who set this system up as well as the colleges in most cases these days...

Yeah well we can't really blame the elite's pets for not biting the hand that feeds them. If they gave CE a lethal vaccine injection right now they still would have given him a vastly better life than he otherwise could have aspired to, so clearly being their bitch was indeed a successful life strategy. It is not like there is any reason for him to care about the destruction of Western civilisation. It is not his civilisation. Easy come easy go.

[flowerthief00]

For Conspiracy theories to be real it would take thousands, if not millions of people to be involved in some of these larger conspiracies. People can’t keep a secret so the “secret” would get out.

Grounded people (most of them) will reject conspiracy theories (most of them) on this basis alone. Watergate is sometimes cited as an example that conspiracy theories are real, but it is also an example of how hard it is to keep a conspiracy going even when the number of conspirators involved is very small. Imo a threshold in the dozens is already beginning to strain credulity given enough time for someone or other to let it leak.

The moon landings conspiracy theory is a great illustration of this. Even if the number of conspirators did not go beyond the dozen astronauts who actually got in the rockets, I would think it more unlikely than not that they could have faked the whole thing and each one of them kept the secret for all this time.

Now if the number of conspirators was 100, it is getting to be very unlikely. The conspiracy theory can be safely dismissed.

Of course the actual number of people involved in the missions to land on the moon was not in the hundreds but more like in the HUNDRED THOUSANDS. You'd have to be off your rocker to still give this conspiracy theory the time of day. Yet in another active thread on this board they are doing exactly that.

[Moretorque]

For Conspiracy theories to be real it would take thousands, if not millions of people to be involved in some of these larger conspiracies. People can’t keep a secret so the “secret” would get out.

Grounded people (most of them) will reject conspiracy theories (most of them) on this basis alone. Watergate is sometimes cited as an example that conspiracy theories are real, but it is also an example of how hard it is to keep a conspiracy going even when the number of conspirators involved is very small. Imo a threshold in the dozens is already beginning to strain credulity given enough time for someone or other to let it leak.

The moon landings conspiracy theory is a great illustration of this. Even if the number of conspirators did not go beyond the dozen astronauts who actually got in the rockets, I would think it more unlikely than not that they could have faked the whole thing and each one of them kept the secret for all this time.

Now if the number of conspirators was 100, it is getting to be very unlikely. The conspiracy theory can be safely dismissed.

Of course the actual number of people involved in the missions to land on the moon was not in the hundreds but more like in the HUNDRED THOUSANDS. You'd have to be off your rocker to still give this conspiracy theory the time of day. Yet in another active thread on this board they are doing exactly that.

Dude you are out there, just go look at what is going on in the worlds financial markets at the moment. There are trillions upon trillions if not over a quadrillion credits loose wandering around behind the scenes hidden in this system with no transparency to ordinary citizens.

On the lunar landings all it would take is a few handful of people in the know to pull the moon hoax off, why do you think the system is so compartmentalized ?

[flowerthief00]

^Yeah? And what about everyone else who worked on the missions? The scientists, engineers, mechanics, planners, technicians, crew assistants, radio operators, and many many others. Compartmentalized or not, these people were all being paid to do a technical job. Are you trying to say that a handful of tricksters got everyone else to work on a hoax without that everyone else ever catching on? They would have had to fool them for years. Not to mention that NASA had assistance from other countries such as Japan and China, so they would have had to have been fooled as well. And they just kept up this costly stunt through 14 years of Apollo missions? And nobody who was working on it aside from the "handful" ever figured it out? And that immense amount of effort to fool their own paid employees numbering in the hundreds of thousands for a decade and a half, as well as other heads of states and the media and the public, made more sense than actually going to the moon?

How much serious thought have you put into this "handful of people can compartmentalize" idea of yours?

[Moretorque]

^Yeah? And what about everyone else who worked on the missions? The scientists, engineers, mechanics, planners, technicians, crew assistants, radio operators, and many many others. Compartmentalized or not, these people were all being paid to do a technical job. Are you trying to say that a handful of tricksters got everyone else to work on a hoax without that everyone else ever catching on? They would have had to fool them for years. Not to mention that NASA had assistance from other countries such as Japan and China, so they would have had to have been fooled as well. And they just kept up this costly stunt through 14 years of Apollo missions? And nobody who was working on it aside from the "handful" ever figured it out? And that immense amount of effort to fool their own paid employees numbering in the hundreds of thousands for a decade and a half, as well as other heads of states and the media and the public, made more sense than actually going to the moon?

How much serious thought have you put into this "handful of people can compartmentalize" idea of yours?

Both Japan and China were conquered by the same people who conquered the USA.

[gsjackson]

^Yeah? And what about everyone else who worked on the missions? The scientists, engineers, mechanics, planners, technicians, crew assistants, radio operators, and many many others. Compartmentalized or not, these people were all being paid to do a technical job. Are you trying to say that a handful of tricksters got everyone else to work on a hoax without that everyone else ever catching on? They would have had to fool them for years. Not to mention that NASA had assistance from other countries such as Japan and China, so they would have had to have been fooled as well. And they just kept up this costly stunt through 14 years of Apollo missions? And nobody who was working on it aside from the "handful" ever figured it out? And that immense amount of effort to fool their own paid employees numbering in the hundreds of thousands for a decade and a half, as well as other heads of states and the media and the public, made more sense than actually going to the moon?

How much serious thought have you put into this "handful of people can compartmentalize" idea of yours?

Implicit in your point is that there is a world of truthseekers out there, who value truth and will pursue it relentlessly even if it means overturning the comfortable little stories they tell themselves about their lives, stories usually wrapped up with their livelihoods. Just like the "rational actors" assumed in economic models, this doesn't correspond with reality. In a long life I'm not sure I've met anyone in person who was particularly interested in knowing deeper truths, and certainly no one who would upset his world in pursuit of it. Most people fear and often hate truth.

Just look at, say, Russiagate and the current scamdemic to see how easily people can be made to believe lies. The latter narrative, far from propping up their livelihoods, is actually undermining the ability of millions to make a living. Yet they buy into the story completely -- we're all in it together making sacrifices to fight a vicious, invisible enemy -- and don't have the slightest inclination to look clearly at the numbers and see what's really going on.

Never underestimate the ability of people to lie to themselves. It's fully understood by those who wish to take advantage of it.

[Moretorque]

Hey that was a great post......

[flowerthief00]

Both Japan and China were conquered by the same people who conquered the USA, open a real history book of old and not one of the current ones being put out by the monied cartels....

So the Russians were in on it too, huh. Japan and China were in on it too, or they were having their strings pulled by the REAL puppetmasters. The "small" group of astronauts and TV land and mission control are paid off with phony credits, people are getting 86'ed, history books aren't real history books, etc etc. The conspiracy theory begets more conspiracy theories which beget more conspiracy theories and the implausibility of the whole thing grows without bounds.

This is why it is almost always a pointless exercise to argue with conspiracists. There is no common sense argument that they don't try to explain with a new CT, or with "they could have just done this", no matter how big a stretch "this" is. Never do they stop and consider, hey, what is really actually more likely: That the conventional narrative in which the science checks out, supporting evidence is strong, key players have stood by their testimony, etc is legit? Or that a long string of unlikelihoods all lined up in just the way my imagination has carried me off to to imply a conspiracy theory on a grand scale? (the scale of the moon landings CT is one of the grander ones I've heard)

I guess that's where the fun of it is. The deeper you reach into the bag of nuts the more nuts you pull out, so you never grow bored or run out of things to conspiracy theorize about.

[flowerthief00]

Implicit in your point is that there is a world of truthseekers out there, who value truth and will pursue it relentlessly even if it means overturning the comfortable little stories they tell themselves about their lives, stories usually wrapped up with their livelihoods....

Nope. Just ordinary people who notice something is amiss. That's why real CTs tend to get blown wide open even when the number of people involved is few. It is not so easy pull off such grand schemes as you think.

And "truthseekers" sounds like a loaded word. I've heard Christian missionaries use the same word to refer to those who were willing to hear their version of god's will.

What is a "truthseeker"? Does a scientist count as a "truthseeker"? Those guys who spend their lives rigorously testing various theories in an effort to better explain the world around us. Or are they all being paid off?

Astrophysicists present and past? They've studied the physics of space travel extensively and earned their credentials to give informed opinion on the subject. If the Apollo missions couldn't have happened, surely they would be the ones to catch on and tell the rest of us. People like Stephen Hawking, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Michio Kaku, Lawrence Krauss, and others. These are the people who understand how space travel works better than anyone. What do you suppose they have to say about the moon landing conspiracy theory?

This is not an appeal to authority fallacy btw. It's a cross-examination of the word "truthseeker" in regards to the moon landings CT. I never implied that there is a world of people who pursue truth relentlessly as you allege, but to the extent that there might be, surely those who use the scientific method would be first on the list, wouldn't we agree? But I'm sure @Moretorque has found some way to work their refutations of the claims made by moon landing conspiracists into a CT of its own.

Just what is mean by "scamdemic"? You are not seriously trying to say that Covid-19 isn't real and that the death/infection numbers worldwide have all been made up? No, forget I even asked.

[gsjackson]

You don't ever deal in specifics, do you? Things like the death rate of covid-19, which even with absurdly padded stats in the U.S. -- die with the virus and you're recorded as dying from the virus -- is looking to be about .03 percent, and concentrated almost entirely in the immune-compromised population that gets picked off every year by the seasonal flu. For this pretty infectious but relatively non-lethal bug we've shut down the world's economy, and that's what I call a scamdemic.

I'm sure you're aware of the origins of the term "conspiracy theorist" -- concocted by the CIA in the '50s and wheeled out in force a few years later to derail any questions about the JFK assassination. They launched Project Mockingbird to recruit "truthseekers" in the media to get their message out and to stigmatize dissenting opinions as the ravings of "conspiracy theorists." So successful has the effort been that it's hardly even necessary any more to launch disinformation campaigns top down through media opinion leaders. Useful idiots in the general population will enforce the orthodoxy and police the conspiracy theorists, like in this thread. Gives them a little cheap thrill of superiority without requiring them to know anything specific about the subject at hand.