The Conspiracy Chart. Where are YOU on it?

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flowerthief00 wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 5:05 am
Ripped this from another board. Don't know who originally made it.

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Tho I'd quibble about the position of a few items, and some of them beg for description ("deep state" can mean more than one thing, what the hell is the "soy boys" conspiracy) it's not a bad effort.

I lol'ed at the top section "once you believe one you usually believe most". I've noticed that too.
According to this chart I would be detached from reality. I believe in reptilian overlords. I believe the covid 19 pandemic was a conspiracy, I believe Diana was murdered. I believe some pretty out there conspiracy theories, but I'd say I'm probably more sane than most self proclaimed "normal" people.

Some people are simply not open minded enough to accept the possibility of something outside of the mainstream narrative. I don't call these people normal. I call them idiots.
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^ Someone who believes in reptilian overlords is calling normal people idiots. :roll:
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July 3rd, 2022, 1:58 pm
^ Someone who believes in reptilian overlords is calling normal people idiots. :roll:
Evil metaphysical beings that feed from us. They are parasites and interdimensional beings. Every mythology throughout history spoke of these kinds of beings. They just have different names.

I've also had several psychedelic experiences about this sort of thing and about the nature of reality. So I've seen it with my own eyes. Metaphysically speaking. Lol.

And don't you think these zionist elite just have something evil about them? Something inhuman and demonic? These influence these representatives you place all your faith in and go on to commit atrocities around the world to create enough negative energy to feed their demonic zoo keepers.

Why do you think this is idiotic? Do you have any proof, no matter how slight, that there is no such thing as such beings which keep us enslaved in their systems? I doubt you do. An idiot isn't someone who is open minded to possibilities which exist outside of materialist science. An idiot, by very definition is a stupid person or someone who has low intelligence. What characterises intelligence? Curiosity? The ability to be open minded to all possibilities.

Your viewpoint is based on what you're told about reality through the high priests of materialist science, so it is you who is not open minded, nor are you curious about other possibilities. Your viewpoint is formulated from a narrow minded paradigm from which you lack the aptitude to escape. Your view is one of ignorance. And ignorance is the cornerstone of stupidity.
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^ Yeah, your head isn't right. Not because you just went off about "evil metaphysical beings" and "interdimensional beings" and "zionist elites" being "inhuman and demonic", but because you committed the logical error of placing the burden of proof for all this (aka argument from ignorance, aka impossible to prove a negative) on me. We get it. Everyone else is blind and needs bifocals. We can't see what YOU can see.
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flowerthief00 wrote:
July 3rd, 2022, 4:12 pm
^ Yeah, your head isn't right. Not because you just went off about "evil metaphysical beings" and "interdimensional beings" and "zionist elites" being "inhuman and demonic", but because you committed the logical error of placing the burden of proof for all this (aka argument from ignorance, aka impossible to prove a negative) on me. We get it. Everyone else is blind and needs bifocals. We can't see what YOU can see.
I don't expect you to provide any proof. No such proof can be given either way. And that was my point. You talk as if the idea of things outside of the materialist science worldview are definitely wrong. Not only wrong, but worthy of ridicule.

It's similar to why I believe that between an atheist and a Christian debating the existence of a God the atheist always tends to be more irrational in their belief. They tend to be people who outright deny any idea of paranormal phenomenon, religion or alternative ideas and are set in their ways.

I called most self proclaimed normal people idiots because that is exactly what I perceive them to be. They have no curiosity. No thirst for knowledge or learning new ideas or concepts. They don't challenge their own worldview or even look into the things they dismiss as idiotic conspiracy theories.

How far would your denial go? Would you change your mind if you had an encounter with a ghost or poltergeist or anything like that? Or would you persistently cling to your current worldview?
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
July 3rd, 2022, 4:28 pm
I don't expect you to provide any proof. No such proof can be given either way. And that was my point. You talk as if the idea of things outside of the materialist science worldview are definitely wrong. Not only wrong, but worthy of ridicule.
Hey, you were the one who used the word "idiot" first.

No, you were trying to shift burden of proof there. Whether you are trying to shift it to the "denial" side or trying to shift it to the middle, that's still shifting it. I'm not gonna believe a claim someone makes if they can't provide compelling evidence for it.

Similarly, if I were to boast to you that I could transform into a werewolf at will, you wouldn't believe my claim simply because you can't prove me wrong. (I hope you wouldn't) Burden of proving that I'm a shapeshifting werewolf would be on me, not on you.

We don't accept as true every claim we hear simply because we can't give proof either way. We default to absence of belief. Otherwise we would be obligated to believe in an infinite number of false and absurd claims.

And that's my position on reptilian overlords. You call it "denial" but it is simply absence of belief.
It's similar to why I believe that between an atheist and a Christian debating the existence of a God the atheist always tends to be more irrational in their belief. They tend to be people who outright deny any idea of paranormal phenomenon, religion or alternative ideas and are set in their ways.
Seriously? Every time I see an atheist and Christian debate I start feeling embarrassed for the Christian because of how badly he's getting wrecked.
How far would your denial go? Would you change your mind if you had an encounter with a ghost or poltergeist or anything like that? Or would you persistently cling to your current worldview?
What the? I don't know why you're asking this. I'm pretty sure I didn't deny the existence of ghosts anywhere in this thread. If you're asking whether I'd believe that I saw a ghost if I were to see a ghost, then I guess?? Really, it would depend on how we are defining "ghost", and how the alleged ghost does or does not meet the definition of the term, as well as on my mental state, and probably other factors. I don't find this hypothetical useful.
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flowerthief00 wrote:
July 4th, 2022, 12:38 pm
Pixel--Dude wrote:
July 3rd, 2022, 4:28 pm
I don't expect you to provide any proof. No such proof can be given either way. And that was my point. You talk as if the idea of things outside of the materialist science worldview are definitely wrong. Not only wrong, but worthy of ridicule.
Hey, you were the one who used the word "idiot" first.

No, you were trying to shift burden of proof there. Whether you are trying to shift it to the "denial" side or trying to shift it to the middle, that's still shifting it. I'm not gonna believe a claim someone makes if they can't provide compelling evidence for it.

Similarly, if I were to boast to you that I could transform into a werewolf at will, you wouldn't believe my claim simply because you can't prove me wrong. (I hope you wouldn't) Burden of proving that I'm a shapeshifting werewolf would be on me, not on you.

We don't accept as true every claim we hear simply because we can't give proof either way. We default to absence of belief. Otherwise we would be obligated to believe in an infinite number of false and absurd claims.

And that's my position on reptilian overlords. You call it "denial" but it is simply absence of belief.
It's similar to why I believe that between an atheist and a Christian debating the existence of a God the atheist always tends to be more irrational in their belief. They tend to be people who outright deny any idea of paranormal phenomenon, religion or alternative ideas and are set in their ways.
Seriously? Every time I see an atheist and Christian debate I start feeling embarrassed for the Christian because of how badly he's getting wrecked.
How far would your denial go? Would you change your mind if you had an encounter with a ghost or poltergeist or anything like that? Or would you persistently cling to your current worldview?
What the? I don't know why you're asking this. I'm pretty sure I didn't deny the existence of ghosts anywhere in this thread. If you're asking whether I'd believe that I saw a ghost if I were to see a ghost, then I guess?? Really, it would depend on how we are defining "ghost", and how the alleged ghost does or does not meet the definition of the term, as well as on my mental state, and probably other factors. I don't find this hypothetical useful.
I've actually been inspired to start a new thread about the reptilian agenda and a reason why I think they could exist. We can continue this discussion in there (if you choose to) I will tag you when it is posted. But no matter what I offer I doubt you will look at anyone who accepts these kind of conspiracy theories as anything short of clinically certifiable. I get it. I just think you should be more open minded to possibilities which exist outside of materialist science. The subject is a speculative one. Just out of interest @Flowerthief00 have you ever done any research of your own into the theory of reptilians?

I don't think I've ever witnessed a Christian get wrecked by an atheist in a debate about creationism. In my personal opinion I believe Christians have the stronger argument. I am not Christian myself, I used to be, but it didn't stick. I think Deism has a stronger argument than Christianity or any Abrahamic religion, but I think Christianity still has a stronger argument than atheists. Atheists (the ones I've seen debate the matter) tend to resort to arguments surrounding the Big Bang and evolution as their main talking points. Whereas Christians sometimes use the cop out that we can't understand God's will etc when confronted with uncomfortable truths about their ideology. Overall though the argument for intelligent design is one which resonates with me personally.

The reason I called "normal" people idiots is because the vast majority of them are. Above I explained that an important trait of intelligence is curiosity, along with mental creativity and introspection. Most people who adopt the atheist worldview often lack these traits and instead are happy to blindly accept a model of reality promoted by the materialist high priests of atheism. These types of people often ridicule alterative viewpoints and dismiss anyone who suggests they COULD be real, like the idea of a creator god or reptilian overlords, as batshit crazy lunatics who deserve to be mocked. I bet most people who mock these alternate viewpoints never even do any of their own research first, and therefore have no knowledge on the subject or a cause to see it as worthy of ridicule. Often, their views are based on ignorance. That is why they are idiots. How can they argue against something which they have no knowledge about?

Perhaps my question about the ghosts was expressed a little incoherently. The point I was trying to make is that ghosts can't be proven or disproven. If you encountered a ghost you would be forced to change your perspective on the possibilities of what is real, verses what is not real. You might even take the possibility of reptilian overlords more seriously :lol:

I would hazard a guess that you are the type of person who mocks the flat earth theory as well, seeing it as nothing but an archaic and outdated model and it's proponents are nothing but mindless idiots. If we are talking about the burden of proof then flat earthers have provided proof for how their model could work using experiments which demonstrate the Faraday Effect etc. Upon proper research into the topic you can see that the model isn't as stupid as people claim.

But like any conspiracy theory, I think most of them stem from a complete distrust of the system. As I pointed out in another conversation we had about democracy, the global elite have demonstrated time and time again that they are dishonest and hypocritical, I would even go as far as to say they are evil.

I have some conspiracy theories I will post below and if you're game I would like you to place each of them on a scale of 1 to 5. 1 being the most rational and 5 being batshit crazy and completely on another planet. Others are also welcome to take part if they like.

Here are the conspiracy theories:

1. Flat Earth.

2. The Moon Landing.

3. Princess Diana Murdered.

4. Twin Towers Were An Inside Job.

5. Reptilian Overlords Rule The World.

6. The Lottery Is A Trap To Catch Out Time Travellers.

7. Covid 19 Is A Scam.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
July 5th, 2022, 3:58 am
Just out of interest @Flowerthief00 have you ever done any research of your own into the theory of reptilians?
No.

Have you ever done any research of your own into the theory that I can transform into a werewolf?

It's quite okay to not research every wild thing you hear. No one has time for that, and if a new theory really has that much evidence going for it, eventually it will get widespread recognition as such.
Overall though the argument for intelligent design is one which resonates with me personally.
Intelligent design isn't a scientific theory. You'd rather believe that when there's a scientific theory available to explain the origins of life?
Most people who adopt the atheist worldview often lack these traits and instead are happy to blindly accept a model of reality promoted by the materialist high priests of atheism. These types of people often ridicule alterative viewpoints and dismiss anyone who suggests they COULD be real, like the idea of a creator god or reptilian overlords, as batshit crazy lunatics who deserve to be mocked. I bet most people who mock these alternate viewpoints never even do any of their own research first, and therefore have no knowledge on the subject or a cause to see it as worthy of ridicule. Often, their views are based on ignorance. That is why they are idiots. How can they argue against something which they have no knowledge about?
If anything the opposite strikes me as more the case. Quite a lot of atheists (myself included) once did believe in a god, but through research and critical thinking and honest challenging of their own beliefs arrived at the counter conclusion.

Nor is it true that atheists lack knowledge of religions. Atheists know more about religions than the religious do.
I would hazard a guess that you are the type of person who mocks the flat earth theory as well, seeing it as nothing but an archaic and outdated model and it's proponents are nothing but mindless idiots. If we are talking about the burden of proof then flat earthers have provided proof for how their model could work using experiments which demonstrate the Faraday Effect etc. Upon proper research into the topic you can see that the model isn't as stupid as people claim.
Are you even being serious? If there's any CT you can take to the bank as being unequivocally false, it's that one. We have reams and reams of data that tell us the Earth is round. (going back thousands of years!) There's hardly any natural phenomena in all of science that we are more sure of than that the Earth is round. Belief in flat earth theories is all but tantamount to a rejection of science itself. It's like the pinnacle of science denial.
But like any conspiracy theory, I think most of them stem from a complete distrust of the system.
On that we can agree. Hardcore conspiracy theorists seem to have such an extreme irrational distrust of "the system" that they can hand wave away entire disciplines of study. It's usually pointless to debate with such people since the real issue isn't actually the one we're debating. The real issue is, as you said, the question of trust.
I have some conspiracy theories I will post below and if you're game I would like you to place each of them on a scale of 1 to 5. 1 being the most rational and 5 being batshit crazy and completely on another planet. Others are also welcome to take part if they like.

Here are the conspiracy theories:

1. Flat Earth.

2. The Moon Landing.

3. Princess Diana Murdered.

4. Twin Towers Were An Inside Job.

5. Reptilian Overlords Rule The World.

6. The Lottery Is A Trap To Catch Out Time Travellers.

7. Covid 19 Is A Scam.
1. 5
2. 4
3. 2 or 3
4. 3 or 4
5. 5
6. Never heard this one but it sounds like a 4
7. 2
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