flowerthief00 wrote: ↑July 4th, 2022, 12:38 pm
Pixel--Dude wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2022, 4:28 pm
I don't expect you to provide any proof. No such proof can be given either way. And that was my point. You talk as if the idea of things outside of the materialist science worldview are definitely wrong. Not only wrong, but worthy of ridicule.
Hey, you were the one who used the word "idiot" first.
No, you were trying to shift burden of proof there. Whether you are trying to shift it to the "denial" side or trying to shift it to the middle, that's still shifting it. I'm not gonna believe a claim someone makes if
they can't provide compelling evidence for it.
Similarly, if I were to boast to you that I could transform into a werewolf at will, you wouldn't believe my claim simply because you can't prove me wrong. (I hope you wouldn't) Burden of proving that I'm a shapeshifting werewolf would be on me, not on you.
We don't accept as true every claim we hear simply because we can't give proof either way. We default to absence of belief. Otherwise we would be obligated to believe in an infinite number of false and absurd claims.
And that's my position on reptilian overlords. You call it "denial" but it is simply absence of belief.
It's similar to why I believe that between an atheist and a Christian debating the existence of a God the atheist always tends to be more irrational in their belief. They tend to be people who outright deny any idea of paranormal phenomenon, religion or alternative ideas and are set in their ways.
Seriously? Every time I see an atheist and Christian debate I start feeling embarrassed for the Christian because of how badly he's getting wrecked.
How far would your denial go? Would you change your mind if you had an encounter with a ghost or poltergeist or anything like that? Or would you persistently cling to your current worldview?
What the? I don't know why you're asking this. I'm pretty sure I didn't deny the existence of ghosts anywhere in this thread. If you're asking whether I'd believe that I saw a ghost if I were to see a ghost, then I guess?? Really, it would depend on how we are defining "ghost", and how the alleged ghost does or does not meet the definition of the term, as well as on my mental state, and probably other factors. I don't find this hypothetical useful.
I've actually been inspired to start a new thread about the reptilian agenda and a reason why I think they could exist. We can continue this discussion in there (if you choose to) I will tag you when it is posted. But no matter what I offer I doubt you will look at anyone who accepts these kind of conspiracy theories as anything short of clinically certifiable. I get it. I just think you should be more open minded to possibilities which exist outside of materialist science. The subject is a speculative one. Just out of interest
@Flowerthief00 have you ever done any research of your own into the theory of reptilians?
I don't think I've ever witnessed a Christian get wrecked by an atheist in a debate about creationism. In my personal opinion I believe Christians have the stronger argument. I am not Christian myself, I used to be, but it didn't stick. I think Deism has a stronger argument than Christianity or any Abrahamic religion, but I think Christianity still has a stronger argument than atheists. Atheists (the ones I've seen debate the matter) tend to resort to arguments surrounding the Big Bang and evolution as their main talking points. Whereas Christians sometimes use the cop out that we can't understand God's will etc when confronted with uncomfortable truths about their ideology. Overall though the argument for intelligent design is one which resonates with me personally.
The reason I called "normal" people idiots is because the vast majority of them are. Above I explained that an important trait of intelligence is curiosity, along with mental creativity and introspection. Most people who adopt the atheist worldview often lack these traits and instead are happy to blindly accept a model of reality promoted by the materialist high priests of atheism. These types of people often ridicule alterative viewpoints and dismiss anyone who suggests they COULD be real, like the idea of a creator god or reptilian overlords, as batshit crazy lunatics who deserve to be mocked. I bet most people who mock these alternate viewpoints never even do any of their own research first, and therefore have no knowledge on the subject or a cause to see it as worthy of ridicule. Often, their views are based on ignorance. That is why they are idiots. How can they argue against something which they have no knowledge about?
Perhaps my question about the ghosts was expressed a little incoherently. The point I was trying to make is that ghosts can't be proven or disproven. If you encountered a ghost you would be forced to change your perspective on the possibilities of what is real, verses what is not real. You might even take the possibility of reptilian overlords more seriously
I would hazard a guess that you are the type of person who mocks the flat earth theory as well, seeing it as nothing but an archaic and outdated model and it's proponents are nothing but mindless idiots. If we are talking about the burden of proof then flat earthers have provided proof for how their model could work using experiments which demonstrate the Faraday Effect etc. Upon proper research into the topic you can see that the model isn't as stupid as people claim.
But like any conspiracy theory, I think most of them stem from a complete distrust of the system. As I pointed out in another conversation we had about democracy, the global elite have demonstrated time and time again that they are dishonest and hypocritical, I would even go as far as to say they are evil.
I have some conspiracy theories I will post below and if you're game I would like you to place each of them on a scale of 1 to 5. 1 being the most rational and 5 being batshit crazy and completely on another planet. Others are also welcome to take part if they like.
Here are the conspiracy theories:
1. Flat Earth.
2. The Moon Landing.
3. Princess Diana Murdered.
4. Twin Towers Were An Inside Job.
5. Reptilian Overlords Rule The World.
6. The Lottery Is A Trap To Catch Out Time Travellers.
7. Covid 19 Is A Scam.
You are free to make any decision you desire, but you are not free from the consequences of those decisions.