What’s the truth about heaven and hell?

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Re: What’s the truth about heaven and hell?

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If not being saved sends you to hell no matter how good you are, then why doesn't everyone just do this:

Spend 5 minutes saying the Sinner's Prayer, where you invite Jesus to come into your heart and become your Lord and Savior, aka "accepting Christ". It only takes 5 minutes.

Then according to Christian Evangelists, like Billy Graham, Lee Strobel and Josh McDowell, you will be given a guaranteed ticket to heaven and eternal life in paradise, that you cannot lose, that no one can take away. It's a free gift and immortality in paradise, with nothing to lose, except to utter a 5 minute prayer. That's the Evangelical Gospel. Very simple. So why doesn't everyone do that just in case Christianity and Neo are right? All it takes is 5 minutes and if they are right, you get immortality in paradise with God and no suffering. Very simple isn't it? lol

Btw, like getting tattoos, who's to say that immortality is not something you will regret? Lots of science fiction movies show people who attained immortality regretting it and wishing for death instead. Wouldn't that happen at some point if you were immortal? Just like getting tattoos, at some point you may come to regret them right? So is it a wise thing or not?
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Re: What’s the truth about heaven and hell?

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Winston wrote:
October 12th, 2020, 10:39 pm
If not being saved sends you to hell no matter how good you are, then why doesn't everyone just do this:

Spend 5 minutes saying the Sinner's Prayer, where you invite Jesus to come into your heart and become your Lord and Savior, aka "accepting Christ". It only takes 5 minutes.

Then according to Christian Evangelists, like Billy Graham, Lee Strobel and Josh McDowell, you will be given a guaranteed ticket to heaven and eternal life in paradise, that you cannot lose, that no one can take away. It's a free gift and immortality in paradise, with nothing to lose, except to utter a 5 minute prayer. That's the Evangelical Gospel. Very simple. So why doesn't everyone do that just in case Christianity and Neo are right? All it takes is 5 minutes and if they are right, you get immortality in paradise with God and no suffering. Very simple isn't it? lol

Btw, like getting tattoos, who's to say that immortality is not something you will regret? Lots of science fiction movies show people who attained immortality regretting it and wishing for death instead. Wouldn't that happen at some point if you were immortal? Just like getting tattoos, at some point you may come to regret them right? So is it a wise thing or not?
There is no prayer that can save a person. It's faith in Jesus as the Son of God that saves a person. However, what many people also forget is that it is mutual acceptance. God must be willing to accept that person for that person to be able to accept Him. If God doesn't want that person then they will not be able to accept Him.

As I've stated in posts above, for the wicked people that God considers to be abominable to the point where He no longer wants them and hates them, those people are given over to a reprobate mind, which means their mind will be blinded to salvation, and they will be unable to believe.

So there are many people who are way too wicked to be saved and have gone way, way too far to be eligible for it.

Sure it is a free gift by faith in Christ, but it is not available to the reprobate. Read 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 and Romans 1:28-32. Also Romans 2:6-10.

Many people also don't want to accept Christ, and it is stated that is because their deeds are evil. Read John 3:19-21.
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Re: What’s the truth about heaven and hell?

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Winston wrote:
October 12th, 2020, 10:39 pm
Btw, like getting tattoos, who's to say that immortality is not something you will regret? Lots of science fiction movies show people who attained immortality regretting it and wishing for death instead. Wouldn't that happen at some point if you were immortal? Just like getting tattoos, at some point you may come to regret them right? So is it a wise thing or not?
There are only two choices: Eternal Life or Eternal Destruction (also called condemnation, punishment, torment, death).

God has only revealed a small portion of all this to us, but we do know that as far as eternal life, there will be no suffering, no toil, no hunger, no thirst, and life will be filled with joy and abundance of good things. As for those who go into eternal punishment, there will be eternal darkness, thirst, hunger, pain, loneliness, suffering, worms and maggots, and possibly eaten by foxes and other animals, and much more.

This life is basically a trial period, and that is according to their works.
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Re: What’s the truth about heaven and hell?

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There's neither Heaven nor Hell. The first is made up to trick people into thinking there is a reward for doing good, the second to make them think there's a penalty for not doing good. Both are, at their core, childish beliefs. We want it to be true, we want it to exist. Same with reincarnation and all of it. Is there "more" between Heaven and Earth? Maybe. Maybe some spiritual or supernatural stuff is 'real'. But if the Biblical interpretation of Heaven & Hell was truthful, and 'original', a message from God himself... why did various other cultures around the world hold the same or very similar beliefs? Simple answer: because Christianity is the Basic Becky of belief systems.
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Re: What’s the truth about heaven and hell?

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Simple answer is, from Adam to Noah all people shared one culture. Then after The Flood and after the Tower of Babel, the people became scattered into different nations and languages, but still they had the same origin.

Also, God is the author and giver of wisdom. He gives wisdom to whomever He wants, and various people in different places have had it.
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Re: What’s the truth about heaven and hell?

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Neo wrote:
October 13th, 2020, 11:38 am
Simple answer is, from Adam to Noah all people shared one culture. Then after The Flood and after the Tower of Babel, the people became scattered into different nations and languages, but still they had the same origin.

Also, God is the author and giver of wisdom. He gives wisdom to whomever He wants, and various people in different places have had it.
Sure enough people had that wisdom in different places, but the thing is... this was well before the days of Noah and the great flood. Furthermore, the great flood never covered the entire earth; it covered an area roughly the size of modern Iraq at most. Which is already huge but hardly the entire earth. People developed these stories and theories completely independent from one another. And sure enough, they all belonged to vastly different cultures, some of which never interacted.
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Re: What’s the truth about heaven and hell?

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Each man must decide for himself, whether he wants to trust in modern science, history and archaeology; or whether he wants to trust in the Word of God.
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