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Religions from best to worst

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1. traditional Anabaptism
2. Islam
3. Orthodox Christianity
4. Orthodox Judaism
5. Catholicism
6. Protestantism, liberal Anabaptism, liberal Judaism


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fschmidt wrote:
March 7th, 2023, 7:00 pm
1. traditional Anabaptism
2. Islam
3. Orthodox Christianity
4. Orthodox Judaism
5. Catholicism
6. Protestantism, liberal Anabaptism, liberal Judaism
I opt for Spirituality as opposed to any organised religion. So I favour none of these more than the other. I'd probably have Islam at the bottom of the list.

Spirituality is more about the individual and self improvement rather than obeying redundant edicts tyrannically imposed by some absent father figure. Spirituality is also closely tied to philosophy, which provides a basis for morality and other philosophical concepts such as ontology and other metaphysical themes. Christianity compared with Atheism and Spirituality was discussed at length in a thread I made here: viewtopic.php?style=11&f=15&t=45751

I see no reason to believe something written in a book by the Jews, regardless of the slightly differing doctrines. Surely some critical thinking is required? Have you ever questioned your own belief system? Spirituality is also something experiential. Through psilocybin and other entheogens people can experience other layers of reality. Perhaps you'd like to read my Entheogens thread:
viewtopic.php?style=11&f=15&t=45587

@Tsar and @Lucas88 have also had this kind of experience. @WilliamSmith has had some NDE which I'm not sure he wants to disclose publicly, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't correspond with what's outlined in these holy books.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 8:29 am
I opt for Spirituality as opposed to any organised religion. So I favour none of these more than the other. I'd probably have Islam at the bottom of the list.

Spirituality is more about the individual and self improvement rather than obeying redundant edicts tyrannically imposed by some absent father figure.
This approach is historically proven to be worthless and just reinforces the current cult of self-indulgent masturbation like the bad guys want. You would be better off not bothering with the issue. Not that you won't still be following the current cult religion of modernity, but not pretending to be "spiritual" will save you some time.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 8:29 am
I opt for Spirituality as opposed to any organised religion. So I favour none of these more than the other. I'd probably have Islam at the bottom of the list.
I want to vote for atheism as #1 but it is not listed.

Catholicism would be at the bottom of the list for me.
https://colinmathers.com/2020/09/30/glo ... 0-to-2020/

2020, China has the highest proportion of atheists (79%), followed by Czechia (70%), Sweden (68%), Estonia (64%) and the Netherlands (60%). Other countries in which more than 50% of the population do not believe in God include Norway, the United Kingdom, South Korea, France and Denmark. Other countries of interest include Australia (45%), Switzerland (36%) and the USA (25%).
The #2 I would vote for is Buddhism, but it is also not listed.
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Yohan wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 9:16 am
Pixel--Dude wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 8:29 am
I opt for Spirituality as opposed to any organised religion. So I favour none of these more than the other. I'd probably have Islam at the bottom of the list.
I want to vote for atheism as #1 but it is not listed.

Catholicism would be at the bottom of the list for me.
https://colinmathers.com/2020/09/30/glo ... 0-to-2020/

2020, China has the highest proportion of atheists (79%), followed by Czechia (70%), Sweden (68%), Estonia (64%) and the Netherlands (60%). Other countries in which more than 50% of the population do not believe in God include Norway, the United Kingdom, South Korea, France and Denmark. Other countries of interest include Australia (45%), Switzerland (36%) and the USA (25%).
The #2 I would vote for is Buddhism, but it is also not listed.
I used to think Buddhism was a decent alternative to Christianity. I used to think it was about inner peace and positivity, until I realised it's just all about promoting the idea that everything is shit and we should just accept how shit everything is. Again, it promotes the ideal that all material desires should be suppressed and ignored.

Atheism has never resonated with me at all. I see the Atheism as just a nihilistic belief system which suits the modern cutthroat capitalism paradigm as it encourages hedonistic behaviours. Plus, it's kind of like a religion of anti-religion anyway, based on nothing but faith on the word of materialist Atheist scientists.

The reality is that Atheists and Christians both have as much evidence as each other to believe their beliefs are correct, which is none at all. We cannot know there is no god, nor can we know if there is a god that that god is the god of the Christian faith. All of it is faith based.
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Cornfed wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 8:51 am
Pixel--Dude wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 8:29 am
I opt for Spirituality as opposed to any organised religion. So I favour none of these more than the other. I'd probably have Islam at the bottom of the list.

Spirituality is more about the individual and self improvement rather than obeying redundant edicts tyrannically imposed by some absent father figure.
This approach is historically proven to be worthless and just reinforces the current cult of self-indulgent masturbation like the bad guys want. You would be better off not bothering with the issue. Not that you won't still be following the current cult religion of modernity, but not pretending to be "spiritual" will save you some time.
Spirituality isn't an organised movement as such. Unless we're talking about the New Age, which is a movement that doesn't resonate. Spirituality is about self improvement of the body, mind and soul. None of which is necessarily "self indulgent". Self improvement is conducive to personal growth. Everything in the natural world strives to grow and to survive.

Surely compliance and subservience suits the elites more? Which could be why Christianity is promoted in Western schools, a religion which is centred around submission to the authority of a higher power. In their case they are the self elected higher power. If the Elites are satanists and against God then why is Spirituality something which is more obscure and Christianity openly promoted in their education systems?
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 9:46 am
Surely compliance and subservience suits the elites more?
It only suits them when they are who you are subservient to them. Any other source of authority that allows people to get together and actually live as authentic human beings achieving stuff is anathema to them. That is why they don't give a shit about "spirituality" but with try to uproot any authentic family, community, ethnic loyalty or religion.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 8:29 am
I opt for Spirituality as opposed to any organised religion. So I favour none of these more than the other. I'd probably have Islam at the bottom of the list.

Spirituality is more about the individual and self improvement rather than obeying redundant edicts tyrannically imposed by some absent father figure. Spirituality is also closely tied to philosophy, which provides a basis for morality and other philosophical concepts such as ontology and other metaphysical themes. Christianity compared with Atheism and Spirituality was discussed at length in a thread I made here: viewtopic.php?style=11&f=15&t=45751

I see no reason to believe something written in a book by the Jews, regardless of the slightly differing doctrines. Surely some critical thinking is required? Have you ever questioned your own belief system? Spirituality is also something experiential. Through psilocybin and other entheogens people can experience other layers of reality. Perhaps you'd like to read my Entheogens thread:
viewtopic.php?style=11&f=15&t=45587
I would put Spirituality (including Sufism) at the bottom. Spirituality is the individual worshipping his own delusions. Philosophy is rationalizing delusions. Good religion opposes delusions by providing a coherent belief system to a group.

The only book(s) written by Jews is the Talmud. The Old Testament was written Israelites and the New Testament was written by Christians. Race is irrelevant, people should be grouped by religion and culture.

Of course I questioned my own belief system. I was raised atheist and my questioning led me to reject atheism and follow the Old Testament.
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I like Taoism. It teaches following nature and going through life with Wu wei. It's not an authoritarian system. Any Abrahamic religion would be at the bottom of my list.
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MrPeabody wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 10:20 am
I like Taoism. It teaches following nature and going through life with Wu wei. It's not an authoritarian system. Any Abrahamic religion would be at the bottom of my list.
I agree with you. I think Taoism and Hinduism have more value than any Abrahamic religion.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 8:29 am
I opt for Spirituality as opposed to any organised religion. So I favour none of these more than the other. I'd probably have Islam at the bottom of the list.

Spirituality is more about the individual and self improvement rather than obeying redundant edicts tyrannically imposed by some absent father figure. Spirituality is also closely tied to philosophy, which provides a basis for morality and other philosophical concepts such as ontology and other metaphysical themes. Christianity compared with Atheism and Spirituality was discussed at length in a thread I made here: viewtopic.php?style=11&f=15&t=45751

I see no reason to believe something written in a book by the Jews, regardless of the slightly differing doctrines. Surely some critical thinking is required? Have you ever questioned your own belief system? Spirituality is also something experiential. Through psilocybin and other entheogens people can experience other layers of reality. Perhaps you'd like to read my Entheogens thread:
viewtopic.php?style=11&f=15&t=45587

@Tsar and @Lucas88 have also had this kind of experience. @WilliamSmith has had some NDE which I'm not sure he wants to disclose publicly, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't correspond with what's outlined in these holy books.
I agree with this perspective. Organized religions are nothing more than collective delusions and their doctrines have no tangible basis in reality. Theology is just a series of discussions about other people's opinions. So-called "revealed religions" such as Christianity with their endless dogmas and unrealistic claims don't appeal to rational people.

I would prefer a form of open-ended deism or panentheism that would recognize intelligent design and be open to spiritual experiences and empirical evidence for the paranormal (e.g., NDEs, past-life memories, psi phenomena, qi, etc.) but without fixed dogmas or the collective insanity of organized religion. I believe that such a philosophy would appeal more to modern rational people and serve as a much better alternative to the reigning cult of nihilistic atheistic materialism.

If we limit the options to major world religions, then I'd much prefer something like Hinduism. At least Hinduism has a strong philosophical component and allows for pluralistic discourse and is able to offer logical explanations for ultimate reality, the emergence of the cosmos, consciousness, etc. Hinduism also conserves ancient spiritual practices such as Yoga, meditation and knowledge of the chakras and Kundalini, even if these aren't emphasized in mainstream currents of Hinduism.

I'm not a fan of Buddhism either. Even though it is praised as a peaceful and somewhat rational religion by a subset of Westerners, Buddhism is really a bizarre anti-life religion which even denies the reality of the self through its doctrine of anatta (i.e., non-self) and its objective to suppress the ego and all worldly attachments. That ascetic way of thinking is completely unnatural. Desires and attachments aren't inherently a detriment. Rather they can be channeled for positive purposes.

You and I are familiar with occultism. The spiritual goal of true occultism lies in strengthening the aura through meditation, opening the chakras through mantric vibrations, training the body's energy channels (nadis/meridians), cultivating prana/qi, and ultimately raising the Kundalini. This is all in preparation for the alchemical Opus Magnum and the transformation of the soul into a divine state. In other words, it is for our ascension to the next stage of our natural evolution. Of course, this kind of occultism is only for highly evolved and elite souls. It isn't for the masses.

I would say that the Abrahamic religions are the absolute worst, then followed by the likes of Buddhism. Hinduism and other religions that allow room for actual spiritual practice are somewhat better.
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fschmidt wrote:
March 7th, 2023, 7:00 pm
1. traditional Anabaptism
2. Islam
3. Orthodox Christianity
4. Orthodox Judaism
5. Catholicism
6. Protestantism, liberal Anabaptism, liberal Judaism
It's obvious that among the six religions you rank here, Islam is the most practical and relatively easy-to-join choice for most men outside of America. It's birth rates are also far superior to those of Orthodox Christianity, Islam is easier to join and more widely available than traditional Anabaptism. Orthodox Judaism is next-to-impossible for gentiles to join.

Islam has global appeal. It has potential far beyond any of the other options. A potent antidote to global degeneracy.
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MarcosZeitola wrote:
March 8th, 2023, 1:42 pm
It's obvious that among the six religions you rank here, Islam is the most practical and relatively easy-to-join choice for most men outside of America. It's birth rates are also far superior to those of Orthodox Christianity, Islam is easier to join and more widely available than traditional Anabaptism. Orthodox Judaism is next-to-impossible for gentiles to join.

Islam has global appeal. It has potential far beyond any of the other options. A potent antidote to global degeneracy.
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Guys, Traditional Catholicism is one of the top religions out there. Tolkien was a Catholic and he was very educated even more so than CS Lewis, who was an Anglican. I am surprised many of you admired Latin American and Mediteranean cultures when they are "low key catholics." Its an universalist religion which tries to convert many people. In fact, due to the values of the Catholic Church The Spanish Empire was "low key" socialistic. Communism can be terrible but some socialism can be good for human development. France, Spain and Italy are "low key" Catholic.

I'm not saying its the best religion, there's many other religions which value beauty and human development some like the Orthodox Church, Hinduism and some branches of Islam. But objectively if one studies this topic in depth, one will see that from a "human cultivation" stand point Catholicism near the top.

The Protestant "Low Churches" Churches are religions that are not good. Many people think they are "functional" and don't appreciate beauty and humanity. In fact, many of them see the world as "damned." Hence, they don't put an effort on their churches, places of worship. I believe this inspired many cultural movements in the US who only see "Evil" in the world as opposed to seeing any beauty in it.
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Animism should also be mentioned. Indigenous people believe that everything has a spirit or awareness, including animals, plants, and even the earth. Shamanism is the most ancient form of religion, that was at one time practiced by all humans. By comparison, beliefs like Judaism are recent inventions that have only influenced the earth for a few thousand years. The Judaic belief that man has dominion over the earth contrasts with the animist view that we live in harmony with a living earth. The domination belief and resulting greed are destroying the plant.
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