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Works have nothing to do with faith,nor are they evidence of the faith which saves
Posted: June 30th, 2023, 11:58 am
by 69ixine
Scripture is evident
for a refutation of verses commonly used to show the opposite-which would mean the bible contradicts itself-see this playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cfq_lJ ... FMtbE1Nx72
Re: Works have nothing to do with faith,nor are they evidence of the faith which saves
Posted: June 30th, 2023, 12:27 pm
by fschmidt
All Christians who think this way should be exterminated.
Re: Works have nothing to do with faith,nor are they evidence of the faith which saves
Posted: June 30th, 2023, 12:46 pm
by 69ixine
fschmidt wrote: ↑June 30th, 2023, 12:27 pm
All Christians who think this way should be exterminated.
if you do reject this,you are going to hell and have been severed from grace.We should live righteously because of punishment that WILL come in this world for disobediance,however.
but to be perfect is not required.nor possible.
Re: Works have nothing to do with faith,nor are they evidence of the faith which saves
Posted: June 30th, 2023, 1:11 pm
by fschmidt
69ixine wrote: ↑June 30th, 2023, 12:46 pm
fschmidt wrote: ↑June 30th, 2023, 12:27 pm
All Christians who think this way should be exterminated.
if you do reject this,you are going to hell and have been severed from grace.We should live righteously because of punishment that WILL come in this world for disobediance,however.
but to be perfect is not required.nor possible.
I don't understand. Exterminating you people is "works" and works don't matter, so exterminating you people shouldn't matter. In fact I see this as a win-win proposition. Those of us concerned about works win by being rid of you people, and you people win (based on your beliefs) by getting to heaven quicker.
Re: Works have nothing to do with faith,nor are they evidence of the faith which saves
Posted: June 30th, 2023, 1:16 pm
by 69ixine
fschmidt wrote: ↑June 30th, 2023, 1:11 pm
69ixine wrote: ↑June 30th, 2023, 12:46 pm
fschmidt wrote: ↑June 30th, 2023, 12:27 pm
All Christians who think this way should be exterminated.
if you do reject this,you are going to hell and have been severed from grace.We should live righteously because of punishment that WILL come in this world for disobediance,however.
but to be perfect is not required.nor possible.
I don't understand. Exterminating you people is "works" and works don't matter, so exterminating you people shouldn't matter. In fact I see this as a win-win proposition. Those of us concerned about works win by being rid of you people, and you people win (based on your beliefs) by getting to heaven quicker.
You are foaming at the mouth,because of what a ancient religious book says,that you don't believe in(the new testament).if you have a problem with free grace christians,then you are a anti-christ.
if we are wrong in our context as christians,then bring refutations not this stuff that gets you on a FBI list.
why are you so concerned with what people do anyway?
Re: Works have nothing to do with faith,nor are they evidence of the faith which saves
Posted: June 30th, 2023, 1:24 pm
by fschmidt
69ixine wrote: ↑June 30th, 2023, 1:16 pm
if we are wrong in our context as christians,then bring refutations not this stuff that gets you on a FBI list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7vjHKz_MaQ&t=390s
why are you so concerned with what people do anyway?
Because you have turned humanity into shit by ruining culture and making it dysgenic.
Re: Works have nothing to do with faith,nor are they evidence of the faith which saves
Posted: June 30th, 2023, 1:34 pm
by fschmidt
One other comment:
If you blame the Jews or the elite for modern degeneracy, there is a major flaw in your view. The Jews and the elite haven't changed, they behave today as they have always behaved. Whatever is responsible for modern degeneracy must have changed in order to cause modern degeneracy. And what has changed is Christianity. Modern faith-alone Christianity is what has changed and what has caused modern culture to become purely evil.
Re: Works have nothing to do with faith,nor are they evidence of the faith which saves
Posted: June 30th, 2023, 2:01 pm
by 69ixine
fschmidt wrote: ↑June 30th, 2023, 1:24 pm
69ixine wrote: ↑June 30th, 2023, 1:16 pm
if we are wrong in our context as christians,then bring refutations not this stuff that gets you on a FBI list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7vjHKz_MaQ&t=390s
why are you so concerned with what people do anyway?
Because you have turned humanity into shit by ruining culture and making it dysgenic.
lol 'hebrews'was written for jews,not gentiles.thats dispensationalism 101.
Re: Works have nothing to do with faith,nor are they evidence of the faith which saves
Posted: June 30th, 2023, 2:34 pm
by 69ixine
fschmidt wrote: ↑June 30th, 2023, 1:34 pm
One other comment:
If you blame the Jews or the elite for modern degeneracy, there is a major flaw in your view. The Jews and the elite haven't changed, they behave today as they have always behaved. Whatever is responsible for modern degeneracy must have changed in order to cause modern degeneracy. And what has changed is Christianity. Modern faith-alone Christianity is what has changed and what has caused modern culture to become purely evil.
It's pretty terrible to face suffering in this life for sin,don't you think?You don't think that is a deterrent?
We are not advocating becoming hedonists,we are merely saying that failure to live up to like 1000 laws in the new testament alone,will not condemn you to hell,deliberate sins though do result in heavy punishment in this life.
I have OCD,that is likely a punishment for me as a child cursing God at age 6.I can't imagine the consequences of greater sins in this life,I might lose my eyesight,I could become homeless etc
so you're wrong,because the Sadducees did not believe in hell or heaven yet acted outwardly righteously because they knew YHWH would punish us,for sin in this life,and misfortune is almost always a result of past sin.