"You are a very handsome man."

Ask questions and get advice. Disclaimer: Any advice you take here is at your own risk. We are not liable for any consequences you might incur from following advice here. Note: Before posting your question, do a search for it in the Google Search box at the top to see if it's been addressed.
MrMan
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 6652
Joined: July 30th, 2014, 7:52 pm

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by MrMan »

Cornfed wrote:
November 10th, 2021, 9:20 pm
MrMan wrote:
November 10th, 2021, 8:55 pm
Cornfed wrote:
November 9th, 2021, 12:25 pm
Not in the Anglosphere, or most other places that I know of.
I've read that after the Protestant Reformation, certain Protestant areas outlawed it. According to this Wikipedia article, some towns in England outlawed it before then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitut ... _centuries
Towns often restrict certain activities in certain areas. For example, most New Zealand towns have banned the consumption of alcohol on the streets in the town center. This doesn't mean they want to ban alcohol or think that drinking alcohol is immoral.
Sex with a prostitute is inappropriate behavior for a Christian. Paul warns that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Christ is not to be joined with a harlot. I Thessalonians 4 also warns believers that God punishes/gets vengence on those who do such things.

The book of Romans says to make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof. Lusts are illegitimate desires. You may have sex with your own wife if you have one, but not someone else's, and not a prostitute.
User avatar
Cornfed
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 12543
Joined: August 16th, 2012, 9:22 pm

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by Cornfed »

MrMan wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 12:18 pm
Sex with a prostitute is inappropriate behavior for a Christian. Paul warns that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Christ is not to be joined with a harlot. I Thessalonians 4 also warns believers that God punishes/gets vengence on those who do such things.
It says no such thing about the normal practice of frequenting prostitutes, and your interpretation has absolutely no historical basis, as most Christian societies had legal prostitution, so there is really no issue here. Christian societies practiced prostitution, therefore Christianity is not anti-prostitution, QED.

Moreover, in normal societies most females are divided into two classes - wife class and whore class. Whores can fulfill useful functions not only as prostitutes, but also in other roles that wife class females shouldn't be in such as actresses, entertainers of various sorts, barmaids and such. As well as giving men a positive alternative to turning wife class females into sluts and adulteresses, this allows females who may not be wife material to make a useful contribution. This is how functional societies work, and by siding with the Marxists/feminists in trying to undermine it you are damaging functional Christian society.
Outcast9428
Experienced Poster
Posts: 1913
Joined: May 30th, 2021, 12:43 am

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by Outcast9428 »

jerryrigged wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 7:56 am
Outcast9428 wrote:
November 10th, 2021, 11:16 pm
@MrMan and @Cornfed Truthfully, I think Cornfed is right that society needs prostitutes. Bad things happen when young men are forced to endure sexual frustration for too long. Prostitutes keep young men calm and at least somewhat satisfied. Medieval Europe had legal prostitution for a reason. Ultimately, regulated and legal prostitution helps combat true degeneracy because sexually frustrated men are not going to pressure normal women into sex anymore, neither will they try to seduce other men's wives. Where I disagree with Cornfed is on this idea that its okay to go to a prostitute when you're married.

That being said, even a guy who goes to a prostitute when they're married should still be seen as having committed a less severe form of adultery. Guys going to prostitutes probably won't leave their wife for the prostitute, and it would be much worse if they were out trying to seduce other men's wives or daughters so even in this case, while I definitely don't morally approve of a married man going to a prostitute, I'd rather him do that then try to f**k another guy's wife. And that's a big reason why prostitution was kept legal in Medieval Times.
After being in many countries with legal prostitution I can pretty much vouch for the fact that it didn't make anyone any happier. Sex with prostitutes is really robotic and unfulfilling. It doesnt scratch the itch of not having a partner at all. Its like 3d pornography with touching and an empty feeling afterwards.
The countries where men are happiest are countries with a low cost of a living and a social climate that makes bonding easier both between women and men and between the "bros" and where masculine traits and activities are seen as less than "toxic".
The problem is the west is that it is a largely (and for now) a wealthy area that has become so corrupt with Soviet thinking that its just not a very fun place to live anymore.
In my own experience, strip clubs were extremely helpful while I was single. Being able to touch a girl makes a huge difference. It’s way way better then porn. Not only that but I am actually dating a dancer myself so I did end up getting exactly what I was looking for through it. I don’t think there’s any meaningful difference though between a girl having sex with you as opposed to giving you a sensual lap dance. As long as there’s intimate, prolonged physics contact, it makes your life 10x better knowing that option is always there when you are single.

All of my favorite dancers have no problem acting as a pseudo girlfriend. I think these guys aren’t using the service correctly.

I also think it makes a difference if the reason you struggle with girls is because of social awkwardness as opposed to being physically unattractive. If you are just socially awkward. Strip clubs are the perfect place for you.
User avatar
jerryrigged
Freshman Poster
Posts: 199
Joined: March 30th, 2021, 7:27 pm

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by jerryrigged »

Outcast9428 wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 4:16 pm
jerryrigged wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 7:56 am
Outcast9428 wrote:
November 10th, 2021, 11:16 pm
@MrMan and @Cornfed Truthfully, I think Cornfed is right that society needs prostitutes. Bad things happen when young men are forced to endure sexual frustration for too long. Prostitutes keep young men calm and at least somewhat satisfied. Medieval Europe had legal prostitution for a reason. Ultimately, regulated and legal prostitution helps combat true degeneracy because sexually frustrated men are not going to pressure normal women into sex anymore, neither will they try to seduce other men's wives. Where I disagree with Cornfed is on this idea that its okay to go to a prostitute when you're married.

That being said, even a guy who goes to a prostitute when they're married should still be seen as having committed a less severe form of adultery. Guys going to prostitutes probably won't leave their wife for the prostitute, and it would be much worse if they were out trying to seduce other men's wives or daughters so even in this case, while I definitely don't morally approve of a married man going to a prostitute, I'd rather him do that then try to f**k another guy's wife. And that's a big reason why prostitution was kept legal in Medieval Times.
After being in many countries with legal prostitution I can pretty much vouch for the fact that it didn't make anyone any happier. Sex with prostitutes is really robotic and unfulfilling. It doesnt scratch the itch of not having a partner at all. Its like 3d pornography with touching and an empty feeling afterwards.
The countries where men are happiest are countries with a low cost of a living and a social climate that makes bonding easier both between women and men and between the "bros" and where masculine traits and activities are seen as less than "toxic".
The problem is the west is that it is a largely (and for now) a wealthy area that has become so corrupt with Soviet thinking that its just not a very fun place to live anymore.
In my own experience, strip clubs were extremely helpful while I was single. Being able to touch a girl makes a huge difference. It’s way way better then porn. Not only that but I am actually dating a dancer myself so I did end up getting exactly what I was looking for through it. I don’t think there’s any meaningful difference though between a girl having sex with you as opposed to giving you a sensual lap dance. As long as there’s intimate, prolonged physics contact, it makes your life 10x better knowing that option is always there when you are single.

All of my favorite dancers have no problem acting as a pseudo girlfriend. I think these guys aren’t using the service correctly.

I also think it makes a difference if the reason you struggle with girls is because of social awkwardness as opposed to being physically unattractive. If you are just socially awkward. Strip clubs are the perfect place for you.
I spent a lot of time in Bangkok and Pattaya and I just saw a lot of emptiness and despair. Eventually people burn out. On both sides. Johns and bar girls. Outside of coyote girls, few girls were even actually able to accomplish their financial goals either. This oversexualized western culture basically robs women of their individuality and the soul out of the social fabric of relationships between the genders. Here in the West and abroad. Interesting enough, the red light industry was an import to Thailand. Soi Cowboy was started by an American Vietnam war vet. I wish I was in Southeast Asia during the 50s. Before the degeneracy arrived courtesy of the war in Indochina. What a heaven it must have been.
Sometimes a single moment of madness can last a lifetime

"Close mind genus more dangrous than 10,000 dumwits" - Spencer
User avatar
publicduende
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 4940
Joined: November 30th, 2011, 9:20 am

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by publicduende »

jerryrigged wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 5:03 pm
I spent a lot of time in Bangkok and Pattaya and I just saw a lot of emptiness and despair. Eventually people burn out. On both sides. Johns and bar girls. Outside of coyote girls, few girls were even actually able to accomplish their financial goals either. This oversexualized western culture basically robs women of their individuality and the soul out of the social fabric of relationships between the genders. Here in the West and abroad. Interesting enough, the red light industry was an import to Thailand. Soi Cowboy was started by an American Vietnam war vet. I wish I was in Southeast Asia during the 50s. Before the degeneracy arrived courtesy of the war in Indochina. What a heaven it must have been.
I think it's the same in the Philippines, and it was so even during the 60s and 70s when thousands of young women, many underage, were serving the needs of American servicemen stationed at the Clark and Subic bases. None of the girls had or have a chance to get financial independence. The "best" of the lot can only hope they will lure a punter into their honey traps, marry and be taken out from that squalid life of poverty and sacrifice.

I checked the local red light districts a lot. I have been to Angeles City once and promised my wife I wouldn't even walk into one of the girlie bars. I ended up at the only "proper" club on Fields Avenue, High Society, which looked like a normal, if slightly run down, club setup. Rumour has it it's the best place to find "freelancers" but wasn't approached by any, nor saw the kind of easy flirtation that gives away the kind of ongoing deal.

I was at some of bars in the Burgos area of Makati much more often, as I used to live just across the road. Nothing too exotic or exciting over there...just a bunch of girls with sagging tummies and C section scars on display dressed like bunnies and the usual mix of bearded old gits on colourful shirts and tank tops, and the occasional Korean or Chinese businessman on a night out.

I didn't have such an impression of general despair in the patrons, though. Perhaps, true to one of Winston's HA pillars, Filipinas have a bit more empathy towards their customers, indeed towards people in general, compared to their Thai counterparts. You do get an idea that that single mom in her late 20s had enough s**t in her life to afford pouring more over other people's heads.
MrMan
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 6652
Joined: July 30th, 2014, 7:52 pm

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by MrMan »

Cornfed wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 12:43 pm
MrMan wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 12:18 pm
Sex with a prostitute is inappropriate behavior for a Christian. Paul warns that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Christ is not to be joined with a harlot. I Thessalonians 4 also warns believers that God punishes/gets vengence on those who do such things.
It says no such thing about the normal practice of frequenting prostitutes, and your interpretation has absolutely no historical basis, as most Christian societies had legal prostitution, so there is really no issue here. Christian societies practiced prostitution, therefore Christianity is not anti-prostitution, QED.
The Bible is anti-prostitution. The Roman Catholic Church was against Christians going to prostitutes and considered it to be sinful and urged prostitutes to repent, but some of the theologians allowed for prostitution as a 'sewage' outlet in society. Early on, not everyone in society was Christian, and not everyone who was baptized was active in church. Rome departing from Biblical teaching was one of the motivations for the Reformation.
Outcast9428
Experienced Poster
Posts: 1913
Joined: May 30th, 2021, 12:43 am

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by Outcast9428 »

jerryrigged wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 5:03 pm
Outcast9428 wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 4:16 pm
jerryrigged wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 7:56 am
Outcast9428 wrote:
November 10th, 2021, 11:16 pm
@MrMan and @Cornfed Truthfully, I think Cornfed is right that society needs prostitutes. Bad things happen when young men are forced to endure sexual frustration for too long. Prostitutes keep young men calm and at least somewhat satisfied. Medieval Europe had legal prostitution for a reason. Ultimately, regulated and legal prostitution helps combat true degeneracy because sexually frustrated men are not going to pressure normal women into sex anymore, neither will they try to seduce other men's wives. Where I disagree with Cornfed is on this idea that its okay to go to a prostitute when you're married.

That being said, even a guy who goes to a prostitute when they're married should still be seen as having committed a less severe form of adultery. Guys going to prostitutes probably won't leave their wife for the prostitute, and it would be much worse if they were out trying to seduce other men's wives or daughters so even in this case, while I definitely don't morally approve of a married man going to a prostitute, I'd rather him do that then try to f**k another guy's wife. And that's a big reason why prostitution was kept legal in Medieval Times.
After being in many countries with legal prostitution I can pretty much vouch for the fact that it didn't make anyone any happier. Sex with prostitutes is really robotic and unfulfilling. It doesnt scratch the itch of not having a partner at all. Its like 3d pornography with touching and an empty feeling afterwards.
The countries where men are happiest are countries with a low cost of a living and a social climate that makes bonding easier both between women and men and between the "bros" and where masculine traits and activities are seen as less than "toxic".
The problem is the west is that it is a largely (and for now) a wealthy area that has become so corrupt with Soviet thinking that its just not a very fun place to live anymore.
In my own experience, strip clubs were extremely helpful while I was single. Being able to touch a girl makes a huge difference. It’s way way better then porn. Not only that but I am actually dating a dancer myself so I did end up getting exactly what I was looking for through it. I don’t think there’s any meaningful difference though between a girl having sex with you as opposed to giving you a sensual lap dance. As long as there’s intimate, prolonged physics contact, it makes your life 10x better knowing that option is always there when you are single.

All of my favorite dancers have no problem acting as a pseudo girlfriend. I think these guys aren’t using the service correctly.

I also think it makes a difference if the reason you struggle with girls is because of social awkwardness as opposed to being physically unattractive. If you are just socially awkward. Strip clubs are the perfect place for you.
I spent a lot of time in Bangkok and Pattaya and I just saw a lot of emptiness and despair. Eventually people burn out. On both sides. Johns and bar girls. Outside of coyote girls, few girls were even actually able to accomplish their financial goals either. This oversexualized western culture basically robs women of their individuality and the soul out of the social fabric of relationships between the genders. Here in the West and abroad. Interesting enough, the red light industry was an import to Thailand. Soi Cowboy was started by an American Vietnam war vet. I wish I was in Southeast Asia during the 50s. Before the degeneracy arrived courtesy of the war in Indochina. What a heaven it must have been.
I don't think its good to go to prostitutes as a lifestyle.

Ultimately, I feel like the purpose of the sex industry should be to help single men with their loneliness. I respect God's wish that sex is meant to be a sacred bonding tool, but I do think men who are really suffering from loneliness and sexual frustration need some kind of outlet and that denying them an outlet that would help them is cruel. I don't know what I would've done without strip clubs. I'd be 100x more insane then I am now. Like I said, it doesn't need to be intercourse. Intimate lap dances provide the same relief, but you need to have some form of prostitution available to men.

What I really don't respect, however, is men who are already in relationships or are married going to prostitutes. When you are married, your sexuality belongs to your spouse. That is a connection that you two alone are supposed to share. No relationship or marriage where one or both partners are violating the exclusive bond of sexuality between one another is going to be a healthy one.
Outcast9428
Experienced Poster
Posts: 1913
Joined: May 30th, 2021, 12:43 am

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by Outcast9428 »

MrMan wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 8:13 pm
Cornfed wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 12:43 pm
MrMan wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 12:18 pm
Sex with a prostitute is inappropriate behavior for a Christian. Paul warns that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Christ is not to be joined with a harlot. I Thessalonians 4 also warns believers that God punishes/gets vengence on those who do such things.
It says no such thing about the normal practice of frequenting prostitutes, and your interpretation has absolutely no historical basis, as most Christian societies had legal prostitution, so there is really no issue here. Christian societies practiced prostitution, therefore Christianity is not anti-prostitution, QED.
The Bible is anti-prostitution. The Roman Catholic Church was against Christians going to prostitutes and considered it to be sinful and urged prostitutes to repent, but some of the theologians allowed for prostitution as a 'sewage' outlet in society. Early on, not everyone in society was Christian, and not everyone who was baptized was active in church. Rome departing from Biblical teaching was one of the motivations for the Reformation.
Was the Protestant reformation a good thing though? Look what happened afterward. Medieval Europe had been stable for centuries, and only grew more prosperous and peaceful as time went on, until the reformation happened. The reformation absolutely tore Europe apart and traumatized Europeans so badly that Europe has still not really recovered from the trauma inflicted by conflicts like the 30 years war. By this, I mean that Europe has forever remained suspicious of religion due to the bloodshed of those years. From 1700 forward was when the first waves of liberalism began in Europe. Religion was being questioned, libertinism was practiced by the aristocracy, arranged marriage became seen as outdated, and then the French Revolution essentially became the first communist revolution in human history.

Its astonishing considering how stable Medieval Europe had been for centuries, just how quickly everything started changing for the worse after the reformation.

I'm not saying Catholicism is the only legitimate form of Christianity. But honestly, Catholicism does have a better track record in terms of societal stability then Protestantism does. All the former Protestant nations seem to be where liberalism is the strongest.

Perhaps the differing opinions on prostitution is one reason for higher levels of Catholic stability? If you try to ban everything, you risk a backlash in the opposite direction. There is no way you're ever gonna create a society where everybody marries as virgins and men never try to pressure women into sex. Humans are not Christ himself. However, I think a society where virtually all extra-martial sex takes place in brothels is significantly preferable to a society where everybody is having casual sex with everybody.

Basically, if you ban prostitution, then you risk people not respecting laws that are just common sense like outlawing abortion or adultery. Its kind of like with a kid, you need the people in your country to understand that if something is banned, its because its a big deal and that law needs to be respected. With kids, if you don't give them any leeway with anything, they will simply break all your rules. You need your kid to respect every rule you set for them.
User avatar
publicduende
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 4940
Joined: November 30th, 2011, 9:20 am

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by publicduende »

Outcast9428 wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 10:05 pm
Was the Protestant reformation a good thing though? Look what happened afterward. Medieval Europe had been stable for centuries, and only grew more prosperous and peaceful as time went on, until the reformation happened. The reformation absolutely tore Europe apart and traumatized Europeans so badly that Europe has still not really recovered from the trauma inflicted by conflicts like the 30 years war. By this, I mean that Europe has forever remained suspicious of religion due to the bloodshed of those years. From 1700 forward was when the first waves of liberalism began in Europe. Religion was being questioned, libertinism was practiced by the aristocracy, arranged marriage became seen as outdated, and then the French Revolution essentially became the first communist revolution in human history.

Its astonishing considering how stable Medieval Europe had been for centuries, just how quickly everything started changing for the worse after the reformation.

I'm not saying Catholicism is the only legitimate form of Christianity. But honestly, Catholicism does have a better track record in terms of societal stability then Protestantism does. All the former Protestant nations seem to be where liberalism is the strongest.

Perhaps the differing opinions on prostitution is one reason for higher levels of Catholic stability? If you try to ban everything, you risk a backlash in the opposite direction. There is no way you're ever gonna create a society where everybody marries as virgins and men never try to pressure women into sex. Humans are not Christ himself. However, I think a society where virtually all extra-martial sex takes place in brothels is significantly preferable to a society where everybody is having casual sex with everybody.

Basically, if you ban prostitution, then you risk people not respecting laws that are just common sense like outlawing abortion or adultery. Its kind of like with a kid, you need the people in your country to understand that if something is banned, its because its a big deal and that law needs to be respected. With kids, if you don't give them any leeway with anything, they will simply break all your rules. You need your kid to respect every rule you set for them.
What the Catholic church, or any of its Christian offshoots, say is irrelevant. Having sex outside what is socially sanctioned has been a man's need since the dawn of civilization. Societies that were traditionally prudish and condemned prostitution were, behind the surface, allowing it to flourish to even farther extremes. Popes all the way down to country priests all secretly had their, more or less private, cohorts of courtesans, common prostitutes or the occasional simple-minded girls who were forced to have "a close contact with Jesus".

Prostitution has never, really been banned. Even when it was, it only flourish in the underground, which made it more degenerate and potentially more dangerous.

In Italy, prostitution was legal up until 1958. When brothels, or "pleasure homes" were legal, prostitutes were employees who got regular salaries, went through periodical health checks and paid taxes. The better ones had lounges and cafes where men of any social status, from writers and politicians to blue collar workers, military staff to students, were free to sit and talk.

Image

Fast forward to today and yes, the legal landscape is a mess. Brothels are illegal. Prostitution per se is legal but "exploitation" of prostitution is not. This means that a prostitute advertising herself on a street or on an online ad out of her own volition is not breaking the law, but anyone who gets an economic benefit from her services, i.e. a pimp, is breaking the law. The law is so vague, though, that effectively criminalises anyone engaging with a prostitute, so not just pimps but punters as well.

Prostitution going underground also means pimps who exploit illegal migrant girls with violence and threats can do whatever they want and do whenever they want. We went from prostitution being a dignified job and social service, to illegal migrants ridden with STDs who get beat up if they don't have sex with a certain number of customers per day.

Of course there's always high-end prostitution, so girls who run their own business off luxury apartments, but for each one of those high-end freelancers there are probably 10 or 20 illegal migrants with no rights to a normal life.
MrMan
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 6652
Joined: July 30th, 2014, 7:52 pm

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by MrMan »

IMO, thems some unappealing looking prostitutes in the flier. Just sayin'.
Outcast9428
Experienced Poster
Posts: 1913
Joined: May 30th, 2021, 12:43 am

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by Outcast9428 »

MrMan wrote:
November 13th, 2021, 7:34 am
IMO, thems some unappealing looking prostitutes in the flier. Just sayin'.
Lol I was gonna say... They couldn't find better girls to advertise their business? :lol:
User avatar
publicduende
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 4940
Joined: November 30th, 2011, 9:20 am

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by publicduende »

MrMan wrote:
November 13th, 2021, 7:34 am
IMO, thems some unappealing looking prostitutes in the flier. Just sayin'.
Outcast9428 wrote: Lol I was gonna say... They couldn't find better girls to advertise their business? :lol:
LOL, beauty standards surely have changed since the 30s. And anyway, for those who don't read Italian, flier says "From Mme Renata, Italy's lowest prices". Perhaps that's what less than 2 Liras for a "standard" session could buy you, at the time! :D
User avatar
jerryrigged
Freshman Poster
Posts: 199
Joined: March 30th, 2021, 7:27 pm

Re: "You are a very handsome man."

Post by jerryrigged »

publicduende wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 6:55 pm
jerryrigged wrote:
November 11th, 2021, 5:03 pm
I spent a lot of time in Bangkok and Pattaya and I just saw a lot of emptiness and despair. Eventually people burn out. On both sides. Johns and bar girls. Outside of coyote girls, few girls were even actually able to accomplish their financial goals either. This oversexualized western culture basically robs women of their individuality and the soul out of the social fabric of relationships between the genders. Here in the West and abroad. Interesting enough, the red light industry was an import to Thailand. Soi Cowboy was started by an American Vietnam war vet. I wish I was in Southeast Asia during the 50s. Before the degeneracy arrived courtesy of the war in Indochina. What a heaven it must have been.
I didn't have such an impression of general despair in the patrons, though. Perhaps, true to one of Winston's HA pillars, Filipinas have a bit more empathy towards their customers, indeed towards people in general, compared to their Thai counterparts. You do get an idea that that single mom in her late 20s had enough s**t in her life to afford pouring more over other people's heads.
The biggest reason for the empathy gap in Thailand seems to be that Thai people seem to really believe that life in Ameria (and all of the West) is like Hollywood. We all have more money to lose than we have the time to spend obviously, for example. If a farang says hes broke, hes obviously lying. Perhaps its because the Philippines was for a time actually ruled by America that Filipinos are more empathetic?
Sometimes a single moment of madness can last a lifetime

"Close mind genus more dangrous than 10,000 dumwits" - Spencer
Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Questions and Advice”