Is the USA really that bad?

[MockOfBrilliance]

Hello! Just realized about this forums just came up when I was googling and been observing a little around here. I was wondering, is America THAT bad as people make it out to be?

I've wanted for many years to migrate to America since it seems pretty over in my country (Sweden). This is coming from someone who is studying computer engineering so when it comes to profession it will be in that category. I felt like America is the dreamcountry for an engineer as it seems like it has the highest wages, the least taxes, most free market (can find almost whatever you want), most stuff are actually cheap compared to Sweden.

Additionally the climate over here kinda gets me every winter turning me into kinda depressed with its dark winter (sun for like 3 hours?).

Hope I didn't break any rules since I just kinda wanted to get this out without procrastinating which I have done for quite some time now. Cheers!

[gsjackson]

Welcome. Okay, as for the U.S. prior to covid crazy time: Yes, given your stated priorities, it wouldn't be a bad move coming here (there -- I'm an American currently in Serbia) as an engineer who could probably get a good job and move into the upper middle class. Just bear in mind that the once-strong American middle class has decomposed into this vast, degenerate under class that you really want to stay away from. I'm talking about at least 80 percent of the population now. Stay in your gated community, up-market venues, high-dollar tickets at sporting events and such, floating above the rabble, and you'll do fine. Sweden has a much, much more egalitarian culture, but up-market America is a pretty decent place to live.

As for now, during crazy time -- it's two different countries. For short-hand's sake, call them red and blue. The red states are rediscovering the value of freedom; blue states are embracing the tyranny, and people are self-policing the whole program of chicken shit. The bad news is: Salaries tend to be a a little lower in red states. The good news is: Most of them are in the sun belt, and Sweden's winters would soon be a distant memory.

[Moretorque]

Their taking all Western /European civilizations down.

[HappyGuy]

I was wondering, is America THAT bad as people make it out to be?

No it's not that bad like people make it out to be, it's much worse. But you won't believe us so hop on a plane and see for yourself. If you start your trip in Las Vegas Winston will add to your observations. He is very opinionated about his town and it's a short drive to Arizona and L.A.

https://eand.co/the-origins-of-americas ... a91f53ce29

[Moretorque]

I was wondering, is America THAT bad as people make it out to be?

No it's not that bad like people make it out to be, it's much worse. But you won't believe us so hop on a plane and see for yourself. If you start your trip in Las Vegas Winston will add to your observations. He is very opinionated about his town and it's a short drive to Arizona and L.A.

https://eand.co/the-origins-of-americas ... a91f53ce29

You haven't seen bad, wait for the hyper inflation.

[Winston]

Yes OP it is. But it depends on whether you fit in or not. What kind of person are you? Are you shallow, materialistic, career oriented, cliquish, stuck up, paranoid, etc? If so you may fit in USA better. Where in the USA do you plan to go? And what are your passions and goals? If you are all about getting a career, like many Asians are, you may like the money you make there. If you are spiritual or into romance and human connection and soul, then you may not like the US. However, everyone lives in their own reality or dimension. Some find the USA super friendly and some don't. I don't know why. It's not always because they are attractive, some who are average looking or plain find the US to be super friendly too. It all depends on your wavelength and what dimension you are in. We all seem to be in different parallel universes. Some people find NYC and Hong Kong to be very friendly and warm too. So go figure. It's inexplicable. You just gotta go and see, and use your gut instinct and intuition.

[kangarunner]

Yes OP it is.

LOL

It all depends on your wavelength and what dimension you are in. We all seem to be in different parallel universes. Some people find NYC and Hong Kong to be very friendly and warm too. So go figure. It's inexplicable. You just gotta go and see, and use your gut instinct and intuition.

I agree that some people are just on different frequencies and wavelengths and some countries fit for them and not for others. To the OP, you have to keep in mind that the US is a country based on competition and acquisition of resources. Most people's social connections (outside of genuine friends) will be based around money and status because that's what most Americans are striving for. Most people in America choose to associate with people who have money and status or some other high value skill. Life really isn't that great in America if you're not at least in the top 40%.

[Outcast9428]

If you're coming from Sweden, you'll probably find the USA to be an improvement. The government doesn't tax half your income like Sweden does and the feminism/gender neutrality insanity is not as bad here. Especially if you live in the southern states of the US. Don't get me wrong, feminism is pretty damn bad here. But there's at least a lot of pushback in the US whereas in Sweden, the feminist ideology has completely taken over the country and destroyed its opposition. The weather here is obviously a lot better as well.

But people are right that the US is a very competitive country.

[Tsar]

If you're coming from Sweden, you'll probably find the USA to be an improvement. The government doesn't tax half your income like Sweden does and the feminism/gender neutrality insanity is not as bad here. Especially if you live in the southern states of the US. Don't get me wrong, feminism is pretty damn bad here. But there's at least a lot of pushback in the US whereas in Sweden, the feminist ideology has completely taken over the country and destroyed its opposition. The weather here is obviously a lot better as well.

But people are right that the US is a very competitive country.

But in Sweden they have national healthcare, they have an easier time traveling to other nations, better mobile phone plans for less the price (and internet too)... prostitution is either legal or they can easily go somewhere it is legal if they really need to use it. Police also aren't trigger happy. It might be more feminist, have more homosexuality, and more refugees and migrants but the people probably get more for their taxes. Sweden has a wealthier middle class than the US...

Question people need to ask is whether the really slim.chance of becoming very wealthy in the US is worth more than a comfortable average life.

I think comfortable average life with a much smaller chance of becoming very wealthy is better.

[Outcast9428]

If you're coming from Sweden, you'll probably find the USA to be an improvement. The government doesn't tax half your income like Sweden does and the feminism/gender neutrality insanity is not as bad here. Especially if you live in the southern states of the US. Don't get me wrong, feminism is pretty damn bad here. But there's at least a lot of pushback in the US whereas in Sweden, the feminist ideology has completely taken over the country and destroyed its opposition. The weather here is obviously a lot better as well.

But people are right that the US is a very competitive country.

But in Sweden they have national healthcare, they have an easier time traveling to other nations, better mobile phone plans for less the price (and internet too)... prostitution is either legal or they can easily go somewhere it is legal if they really need to use it. Police also aren't trigger happy. It might be more feminist, have more homosexuality, and more refugees and migrants but the people probably get more for their taxes. Sweden has a wealthier middle class than the US...

Question people need to ask is whether the really slim.chance of becoming very wealthy in the US is worth more than a comfortable average life.

I think comfortable average life with a much smaller chance of becoming very wealthy is better.

Prostitutes are way more difficult to find in Sweden then they are in the US. Have you ever seen surveys on what percentage of men have gone to a hooker in each country? Sweden regularly ranks at the bottom with only something like 7% of men having gone to one. Women in Japan and South Korea are almost as likely to have paid for sex as a man in Sweden is. There's a reason why, there's literally only 2,500 prostitutes in the entire country. And it isn't legal to pay for sex there, they've adopted the "nordic model" where its illegal to pay for it but legal to sell it. And there's no presumption of innocence in Sweden either if you get accused of rape. The law was amended so that the girl doesn't even need to say no, they will actually put you in prison for misreading a woman's body language now. With the Nordic model, a Swedish prostitutes could easily scam you by charging you more money and then threatening to call the cops on you if you don't pay it.

Prostitution in the US, on the other hand, is weird. I feel like the US has both the biggest scams out there but also deals so good they rival Asian countries if you play it smart. I don't go for escorts online anymore. I just go to strip clubs because I often find that strippers will give you way more time for your money then escorts will. Florida and Texas in particular are fantastic states for going to strip clubs. I one time got a stripper for three hours only paying $200. A legal brothel in Nevada on the other hand could cost you $900 or even $1,000 an hour which is an obscene rip off.

Let's say you make about $50,000 in Sweden which is the average GDP per capita, but good luck enjoying that because half of it is gonna be taxed away before you can do anything with it, and the other half is gonna get eaten up by rent payments. Even a 1 bedroom apartment in the suburbs costs $1,000 per month. Utilities cost another $100-$200. So no, internet is actually more expensive there. If you live in the suburbs, you're gonna need public transportation, that's another $100 a month to buy a pass. Price of food and goods like soda is absurdly high in Sweden as well. By the time you're done paying for everything, you'll probably have $6,000 a year at most to spend on whatever you feel like.

Nearly everybody in Sweden pays a tax rate between 40%-60%. Income taxes are high and the consumption tax rate is like 20%. Most of that money isn't being spent on your healthcare, most of it is being spent on Sweden's free daycare facilities in order to forcibly abolish the traditional role of women as homemakers. The tax code of Sweden is specifically written so that pretty much every woman in Sweden has to work or else it becomes impossible to raise a family there. Homeschooling is illegal, and both the daycare and education system there specifically tries to abolish all gender typical behavior. Even going so far as to have gender swap days where people act like the opposite sex at school.

There's even an article below saying Sweden is the loneliest country on Earth for expats. Only 25% of people there marry within five years.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IWantOut/comme ... or_expats/

Scandinavian countries like Sweden, Iceland, and Norway are just soft communism. I don't like life in the US but you couldn't pay me to live in a system like that where my future kids would end up having their minds twisted by insane feminists determined to destroy femininity. Free healthcare is not even close to worth it.

[Tsar]

I don't like life in the US but you couldn't pay me to live in a system like that where my future kids would end up having their minds twisted by insane feminists determined to destroy femininity. Free healthcare is not even close to worth it.

I agree with everything you said but whether the US or Sweden, neither are good places to have future children.

One of the reasons if I am able to have children eventually, I would do it in a girl's country or a healthier European society.

[aspiabc]

In terms of a stable career and future, and trying to make it in the middle or upper middle class, it's far worse than it used to be for more of the population. everything seems to be bandaged over with corporate consumerism and entertainment or media distractions. I've lived most of my life in California, and it's definitely turned into a little mexico as well as the main socialist state. some youtube commericals are starting to be in complete spanish probably because yt checks the local ip address. not to say the mexican descendents are trash, on the contrary many are hardworking, even catholic and traditional in that way, then I went to just visit my old state uni campus and it was almost all hispanic now, barely a trace of young white students and the asian foreign students are completely gone. yes, you need to be in the top 20% with a good career and high value job skills, or be able to maintain a business , otherwise it's a lot of hopelessness , paycheck to paychek, student debt, and little hope of owning a decent house one day in whatever decent neighborhoods are left.

Just bear in mind that the once-strong American middle class has decomposed into this vast, degenerate under class that you really want to stay away from. I'm talking about at least 80 percent of the population now. Stay in your gated community, up-market venues, high-dollar tickets at sporting events and such, floating above the rabble, and you'll do fine. Sweden has a much, much more egalitarian culture, but up-market America is a pretty decent place to live.

As for now, during crazy time -- it's two different countries. For short-hand's sake, call them red and blue. The red states are rediscovering the value of freedom; blue states are embracing the tyranny, and people are self-policing the whole program of chicken shit. The bad news is: Salaries tend to be a a little lower in red states. The good news is: Most of them are in the sun belt, and Sweden's winters would soon be a distant memory.

so true and agreed. I live in a barely safe apartment complex made in the early 80's, with a gate and security, with a decent lower rent but only because it's next to an airport, and all our doors have the extra security metal grill door, so double lock, but anything you leave on the patio section gets stolen quick if valuable. homeless are always dumpster diving , and we're all used to it. Security has to constantly check out cars as some homeless in cars try to park and stay overnight in the extra spaces.

There's this guy's recent yt channel who drives or motorbikes around showing the true dilapidated state of the homeless and vandalism in SoCal. Not just the venice beach and skid row homeless tents but all over the ventura, san fernando , and some close beachside areas. Constantly graffitied up public structures or businesses and trash just left around. ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdG9B7 ... gpELToRlBA )

I was dreaming of moving to Vegas someday and particularly for Nevada's state politics , but now since the covid and the rip-offed election count, it seems to be wavering with pressure to become a blue state for good. A lot of riff-raf have moved to vegas in the past covid year reportedly and decent housing costs and rents have jumped higher in just the past few years. And plenty of homeless and their infamous tunnels "network" under the strip. I recall a news report about a briefly famous young pornstar was discovered in her abode there.

I agree that some people are just on different frequencies and wavelengths and some countries fit for them and not for others. To the OP, you have to keep in mind that the US is a country based on competition and acquisition of resources. Most people's social connections (outside of genuine friends) will be based around money and status because that's what most Americans are striving for. Most people in America choose to associate with people who have money and status or some other high value skill. Life really isn't that great in America if you're not at least in the top 40%.

yeah, it's terrible and an extremely envious culture now. A shy person or introvert working minwage is pretty screwed with normies if they don't fit in even with the masses not in the top 20-40% financially . Even office jobs have a lot of social pressure and petty office politics that can easily marginalize and ruin careers by other coworkers in the name of competition for higher salaries.

OP , I don't know, just my 2c. Maybe you might want to consider Texas , Arizona, or Nevada. California had the old high tech , but the sfc-bay area is a disaster now with skyrocketed prices and living costs, and many of the wealthier tech workers are even moving to central towns inland of Cali like mine while able to afford a new house and working remote at their tech job (or even moving to Vegas/Henderson). I think Cali is done for with all its combined problems and monstrous public sector waste and corruption and pretentious socialist welfare. Even hundreds of millions of federal or donated funds are wasted , held, crony contracted or embezzled by local city and county governments often using homelessness as a "business" over the recent years that were supposed to help get the homeless off the streets, but now homelessness or signs of it is worse than ever, not even counting many who are living in their cars or plenty in RVs.

[Outcast9428]

I don't like life in the US but you couldn't pay me to live in a system like that where my future kids would end up having their minds twisted by insane feminists determined to destroy femininity. Free healthcare is not even close to worth it.

I agree with everything you said but whether the US or Sweden, neither are good places to have future children.

One of the reasons if I am able to have children eventually, I would do it in a girl's country or a healthier European society.

Most of the Eastern European countries seem like they're becoming a good place to find girls and raise children. Maybe don't try in Bulgaria again though.

[Tsar]

I don't like life in the US but you couldn't pay me to live in a system like that where my future kids would end up having their minds twisted by insane feminists determined to destroy femininity. Free healthcare is not even close to worth it.

I agree with everything you said but whether the US or Sweden, neither are good places to have future children.

One of the reasons if I am able to have children eventually, I would do it in a girl's country or a healthier European society.

Most of the Eastern European countries seem like they're becoming a good place to find girls and raise children. Maybe don't try in Bulgaria again though.

I went at the wrong time, I had no passport power or "national prestige" (Covid-19 ruined it), and my expectations were to be able to get a good virgin girl easy...not easy...sure, 14-16 year old girls will likely be virgins but most already have boyfriends or meeting them online will be impossible because of attention whoring...TikTok, Instagram, and even girls using Tinder to get Instagram followers...

I figure, if I want an easy time getting a girl, Venezuela would be #1 in easiness but any Latina should be easy just because of the numbers. Eastern European girls are beautiful but low birthrates, plenty of decent guys under age 20-30 and enough businessmen, means competition is really great.

Most EE girls don't want to live in America anymore...

[Winston]

Btw, keep in mind that Europeans do not all have the same opinion when visiting America. Some feel the same way we do, that American culture is super fake, unfriendly, paranoid and isolating. They are glad to rant about it if you bring it up. Others think America is very open, friendly and hospitable. So even European travelers have different experiences in America.

In Sweden, the famous alt radio host of Red Ice Radio, Henrik Palmgren, told me by email once that he found America to be friendlier than Sweden and would prefer living in America if he had a choice. So go figure. On the other hand, I've met many European travelers and exchange students on planes, trains and buses who told me they felt the same way as me and didn't fit into America at all.