Is the USA really that bad?

[MockOfBrilliance]

Thanks for all the responses that I've gotten on this thread!

And also a big thanks to Outcast for his detailed explanation about swedens situation.

For me , USA feels like it has more opportunities and possibilities compared to here. Of course as I have probably mentioned, I was prioritizing sunny weather so it would in that case be either AZ or TX.

When it comes to love... I do not know... I think that I have lost it during my time here so it really is not a priority..

For me it is primarily career possibilities, supply for things you can buy and do and of course as I mentioned get as many sun hours as possible as I am quite sensitive to the darkness we have in Sweden during the winter.

For example... in USA there is this trend about earning "six-figures" that should be the norm. In Sweden for example, it is almost impossible to earn that much unless you are a CEO or group leader in a giant corporation. A "good" salary here is supposed to be around 5k-6k USD/month.

I would also want to ask you all since you seem to know your stuff here.... Do you have any honorable mentions of other countries that could have those priorities?

[Winston]

Why haven't you tried other parts of Europe? There are many countries with different cultures there.

Is it possible you are just tired of your home and need a change. Anywhere you stay too long, even if it's a great country, gets old after a while and you can no longer grow or have new experiences. I find that after one year anywhere, even Russia, I start to get sick of it and itch to leave and see new places and have new experiences. So it may be a form of island fever. Have you considered that?

[Outcast9428]

Thanks for all the responses that I've gotten on this thread!

And also a big thanks to Outcast for his detailed explanation about swedens situation.

For me , USA feels like it has more opportunities and possibilities compared to here. Of course as I have probably mentioned, I was prioritizing sunny weather so it would in that case be either AZ or TX.

When it comes to love... I do not know... I think that I have lost it during my time here so it really is not a priority..

For me it is primarily career possibilities, supply for things you can buy and do and of course as I mentioned get as many sun hours as possible as I am quite sensitive to the darkness we have in Sweden during the winter.

For example... in USA there is this trend about earning "six-figures" that should be the norm. In Sweden for example, it is almost impossible to earn that much unless you are a CEO or group leader in a giant corporation. A "good" salary here is supposed to be around 5k-6k USD/month.

I would also want to ask you all since you seem to know your stuff here.... Do you have any honorable mentions of other countries that could have those priorities?

No problem, thanks for the shout out.

I definitely would not say that six figure salaries are the norm here, however, a salary of about $60,000-$70,000 is not hard to get. Most importantly though, you get to keep a lot more of that money then you're used to. Even as a single bachelor, tax rate remains at 24% or lower until you make $165,000+. First $40,000 you make will only be taxed at 12%.

If your primary concern is economic, then Switzerland, Qatar, and the UAE all have very strong economies as well.

[jamesbond]

In America it's all about 'who' you know and not 'what' you know in order to get ahead. It's a very competitive country in all aspects, finding a job, meeting women, etc. Like Winston has stated numerous times, it's a very materialistic country where your job is supposed to be the center piece of your life. If your a workaholic and value material things over people and are a conformist, you will do very well in the United States.

[MockOfBrilliance]

Thanks for all the responses that I've gotten on this thread!

And also a big thanks to Outcast for his detailed explanation about swedens situation.

For me , USA feels like it has more opportunities and possibilities compared to here. Of course as I have probably mentioned, I was prioritizing sunny weather so it would in that case be either AZ or TX.

When it comes to love... I do not know... I think that I have lost it during my time here so it really is not a priority..

For me it is primarily career possibilities, supply for things you can buy and do and of course as I mentioned get as many sun hours as possible as I am quite sensitive to the darkness we have in Sweden during the winter.

For example... in USA there is this trend about earning "six-figures" that should be the norm. In Sweden for example, it is almost impossible to earn that much unless you are a CEO or group leader in a giant corporation. A "good" salary here is supposed to be around 5k-6k USD/month.

I would also want to ask you all since you seem to know your stuff here.... Do you have any honorable mentions of other countries that could have those priorities?

No problem, thanks for the shout out.

I definitely would not say that six figure salaries are the norm here, however, a salary of about $60,000-$70,000 is not hard to get. Most importantly though, you get to keep a lot more of that money then you're used to. Even as a single bachelor, tax rate remains at 24% or lower until you make $165,000+. First $40,000 you make will only be taxed at 12%.

If your primary concern is economic, then Switzerland, Qatar, and the UAE all have very strong economies as well.

Well it doesn't have to be a strong economy, but rather some place where you actually get some value to be a bit more "care-free", compared to sweden just buying something here you are staring at your wallet and be like "will I be able to buy this without ruining the rest of the month before the next paycheck?". The problem with Switzerland is probably that I think (I have not visited Switzerland) the weather might not be as good as lets say.. the desert or around the mediterrian sea. UAE/Qatar might be difficult since I am not a part of Islam I think will cause some trouble (I think? I haven't visited that either so correct me if I am wrong).

From watching the statistics I can see that most swedes emigrate to Norway, USA, UK and Spain. Especially Spain, surprisingly, it is around 20k - 25k swedes per year moving there. I haven't been in the mainland of Spain but I've heard that you get to keep more money there as it is way cheaper to buy stuff there which kinda compensates for their lower wages.

[Archibault]

Yes, I think America is one of the hardest countries to be a man.

Based on talking with various men around the world. I heard Swedes idealize the USA too much.

Here are some negatives of America if you are a man:

1- Very difficult to find a long-term date: In the most liberal cities, what will likely happen is that you might hook up with someone. It is a short-term relationship in the best-case scenario, but getting a long-term relationship is nearly impossible.
2-Very difficult to casually date or hook up: Even if you are a top 20%, as most people online say. Many women are either highly selective with who they casually date or are highly religious(don't believe the online puritans who say America is not religious enough). They don't want to hook up with anyone except their long-term boyfriend.
3-Divorce is very real: I had acquaintances or people I've worked with, and divorce is very real. The man ends up moving out of the house and has to pay both alimony and child support. This doesn't always happen in other countries where the only needs to support the child.
4-Women are the prize culture: If you get a date with an average woman, people will say, "She's so good, you are lucky that she even dates you." Because of this type of culture, you'll be faced with tons of guys for an average woman. Hence the expression you will, "date down."
5-Illegal and stigmatize sex work and escorting: People say Canada is bad for men, yet Canada seems to be a more "male-friendly" country simply by having more tolerance of sex work. Sex work is more regulated and much more accessible for the average professional. Forget about it in America! If you want to see an escort, people will shame you and tell you, "You are a loser!" "You can't get laid without paying." You could also get in trouble, unlike in Canada or other places.

I could go on but you get the idea. You should try other European countries with lower taxes and think carefully.

[WilliamSmith]

Hi,
I personally am not frustrated with American women like a lot of other guys who post here, but I agree with the general sentiment that the USA is indeed "that bad," LOL. The USA has a lot of different places, but overall there's nowhere for it to go but down, and political chaos and totalitarianism seem more likely here by the day, and it's a cultural cesspool regardless.
But I don't think it's worse than the nightmare of most of Western Europe or Scandinavia (or the UK, Australia, New Zealand, etc).
If I had to choose between the doomed sinking titanic USA vs the once tragically beautiful but now nightmarish Sweden filled with woke/PC communists giving millions of $$'s to foreign rapists, I'd actually choose the USA over Sweden.

But why not look for better options than the USA?

My top countries, personally (all of which happen to have a lot of warm/hot weather areas, even though I don't care about the weather so much myself):

Japan:
My personal favorite, and probably best if you know Japanese or are eager to learn it, but there are parts of it with very warm weather, it's one of the safest countries in the world, and one of the most developed economies. It's generally more expensive (very much so in the cities), though not necessarily more expensive than tolerable US cities.

All the others on my list of Southeast Asian nations tend to have much lower cost of living, making them awesome even if your nominal earnings weren't as high (especially if you could work remotely, maybe?):

Vietnam:
Maybe the most beautiful, exciting Southeast Asian nation with great growth prospects, and I like it a lot. If I wasn't such a Japano-phile, this would be my #1 choice.

Cambodia:
Another really interesting and beautiful SEA country with high future growth prospects.

Philippines: I don't know a huge amount about it and never went there, but it's really beautiful, and Chinese guys I've heard from think it's supposedly the greatest place for scoring with chicks, LOL. I've heard it recommended to white guys for this reason as well. This is where Winston lives, if I'm not mistaken? I personally don't have any plans to go there at the moment, but it might be great.

Others to consider:
Thailand
Malaysia
Indonesia

Oh yeah, if you are the type who gets employed then you might also look at Hong Kong, Macau, or maybe Singapore. I look at places for options to get permanent residency and am ardently determined to get out and renounce my US citizenship, and those aren't areas I'd choose (if it's even possible to get citizenship in places controlled by the PRC like HK and Macau?), but it might be different if you're gainfully employed there. And I think you can still be an expat in Singapore if you don't mind living in an uptight police state being chased around the streets by social-distancing robots and !@#$, LOL.

I've looked at the Caribbean and some Latin American countries a bit too while looking for places that might be good to escape the US with black or latina girlfriends, but am probably throwing in the towel on those places for now, because it's all too much of a mess vs East and Southeast Asia.
Not really sure what the best Caribbean islands are in your case or whether there's any job prospects that'd fit you, because of my self-employment.
Panama and Colombia might've sounded the best to me for Latin American countries.

One more I personally have no interest in but might be worth a look if you're a talented computer engineer or other professional:

UAE and Dubai: Yeah, I am also "Islamophobic" when it comes to places where they behead guys for drinking some booze or getting laid, but apparently UAE has tried to turn Dubai into this haven of "Western" expats and a lot of people who want to get out of the collapsing countries like USA or Sweden like it there. Supposedly you can drink and get laid there, LOL. I have my doubts about it for reasons I won't go into here, but it might be worth a look. Good luck man!

[NPCslammer]

The U.S. is a steaming pile of shit, and I wish it would collapse. It’s like a guy on death row that just wants to get it over with already, but the time just drags on and on. America is such an ass backward country on some many levels I don’t think anybody can even fathom the actual depths of how bad it is.

[kangarunner]

The U.S. is a steaming pile of shit, and I wish it would collapse. It’s like a guy on death row that just wants to get it over with already, but the time just drags on and on.

The US is like an alcoholic or a drug addict that keeps going further and further into addiction....hence the term "toxic" culture.

[kangarunner]

There's no real "soul" in America. "America is not a country, it's a continent with each state having its own identity and character to it. No state is truly "united" with any other state. Just like in Europe, Italy, France, and Spain are contiguous to each other, yet they are completely different in terms of the people and the culture there.

There's nothing holding together the people of the country at all in terms of being "united". No one is united at all. People are united in a way that they are against each other to compete against everyone. What are people "united" by? Being a part of the rat race in the endless cycle of work.

The same shit is in other Western countries. Meanwhile here in Vietnam, this is a real country with real soul and real culture and the native people are truly united with each other.

[WilliamSmith]

I agree 100% with your sentiment on the USA and 'Western' countries (not that there's anything really 'western' about them anymore). To me it looks more and more like it is going to break apart in some way, but the divisiveness and pre-balkanization discord is there even if not, and if it doesn't break up then it will probably be an even worse tyranny.

There's no real "soul" in America. "America is not a country, it's a continent with each state having its own identity and character to it. No state is truly "united" with any other state. Just like in Europe, Italy, France, and Spain are contiguous to each other, yet they are completely different in terms of the people and the culture there.

If I was a lone wolf again like I was in my 20's (without obligations tying me down as much), I probably would've cut loose and sold everything I have in the USSA as soon as the Bolshevik Lives Matter riots started awhile ago, and headed for Vietnam as my 1st choice.

There's nothing holding together the people of the country at all in terms of being "united". No one is united at all. People are united in a way that they are against each other to compete against everyone. What are people "united" by? Being a part of the rat race in the endless cycle of work.

The same shit is in other Western countries. Meanwhile here in Vietnam, this is a real country with real soul and real culture and the native people are truly united with each other.

Vietnam looks like a wonderful country in all the ways you mentioned.

Most American cities I have been in are basically a mix of big squalid festering ghettoes and crappy and depressing but also expensive metro area sprawls, unless you're loaded with $$'s and can afford to live inside some kind of high-rise or walled and gated "community." But even then, the rich or affluent people living there have to worry about the rapidly rising tide of Bolshevik politics (especially if you're one of the more or less white or East Asian racial groups) and probably more and more Death Wish style crimes.
Beautiful Vietnamese cities like Da Nang and Nha Trang, in contrast, almost look too good to be true compared with the degenerated ex-'Western' woke ghettoes. (So do Hanoi and Saigon, for that matter.)
I don't know any Vietnamese people well, but my impression of them has been really good as well. I know nowhere is perfect, but it looks great to me. I hope things stay good there!

[kangarunner]

Vietnam looks like a wonderful country in all the ways you mentioned.

Beautiful Vietnamese cities like Da Nang and Nha Trang, in contrast, almost look too good to be true compared with the degenerated ex-'Western' woke ghettoes. (So do Hanoi and Saigon, for that matter.)

I don't know any Vietnamese people well, but my impression of them has been really good as well. I know nowhere is perfect, but it looks great to me. I hope things stay good there!

I will probably write a long post on Vietnam since I have some good experience here. Vietnam's true national treasure is the coastline and the many amazing cities and towns on it ( Da Nang, Nha Trang, Mũi Né, Qui Nhơn, Ninh Hoa, the list goes on and on). And the islands, mountains, Sapa, etc. And obviously Vietnamese women are some of the best looking women in Asia in my opinion.

[WilliamSmith]

Great, I am looking forward to reading your longer thread on Vietnam when you have time to post it! A lot of the mountainous territory there reminds me of the legendary scenery from Guangdong province, which I always wanted to visit. The mountain vistas and those terraced rice structures in Sapa look amazing.

I will probably write a long post on Vietnam since I have some good experience here. Vietnam's true national treasure is the coastline and the many amazing cities and towns on it ( Da Nang, Nha Trang, Mũi Né, Qui Nhơn, Ninh Hoa, the list goes on and on). And the islands, mountains, Sapa, etc. And obviously Vietnamese women are some of the best looking women in Asia in my opinion.

[flowerthief00]

I love Vietnam myself. Lived there 2020 to 2021.
However, the notion of going to Vietnam to escape tyranny in the US is laughable. It's Vietnam we're talking about! Far, far, far from a bastion of liberty it is.

[Tsar]

I love Vietnam myself. Lived there 2020 to 2021.
However, the notion of going to Vietnam to escape tyranny in the US is laughable. It's Vietnam we're talking about! Far, far, far from a bastion of liberty it is.

Your last sentence reminds me of how Yoda would speak.

The grammatically correct way in English would be "It is far, far, far from a bastion of liberty."