Sorry for my delayed response. I agree with you that h2o2 may not be able to cure everything, but it has some benefits, which I can attest to so far. I already listed some. One of course, is increased energy, which virtually everyone has reported after trying it. But I cannot say if it will cure cancer or malaria. Maybe at the very least, it will help a little.MrMan wrote:Winston,
My position on this thread has never been that taking H2O2 in water has no health benefits. My position is, I want to see some evidence for it, the rational behind it from the perspective of the field of chemistry, and some research on side effects. A lot of articles were posted. I sampled some of them. The most scientific articles I saw were really old medical articles with very small sample sizes, without tests for potential side effects.
I am also suspicious of books written on medicine and chemistry from those who haven't studied it in depth, whose credentials are having written a book and a lot of experience selling oxygen supplements.
It's possible that you take some kind of medicine or substance that makes you feel great and attacks some health issues, but that it could have some negative side effects.
I do not see it as dishonest for the FDA to warn about drinking straight 3% hydogen peroxide out of the bottle. That's a legitimate warning. If you want them to comment on more diluted versions of the chemical, pay to have testing done on it. Maybe you could patent your own 'protocol.' I'm not sure it would be worth it.
The FDA accepting a study with 30% results, for example, and then getting stellar results from that group after running trials on them may not be a bad approach to research, as long as doctors later are made to understand that the drug is only effective on a minority of the population, especially if they can know the characteristics that made it effective on the 30%
As far as ozone goes, the so-called 'ozone layer' isn't down where we are breathing it. Ozone from factories is considered to be a poisonous gas. Maybe it has some benefits in the blood in small quantities. Maybe its poison. I don't know. I trust vitamin and oxygen supplement salesmen about like I trust used car salesmen.
You are asking for too much in the way of scientific evidence. And it seems you are moving the goal posts too. There is no real profit in h2o2. An organization will not fund studies into it. But yes there are some studies into it, but not enough for you. To me the best proof are all the many testimonials out there. If there were only a few, they may not be so significant, but when we are talking thousands, then that becomes significant. And yes, anecdotal evidence is valid. See here:
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Page5.htm
Let me ask you this: If a thousand people told you in 2005 that "Star Wars Revenge of the Sith" is now playing in theaters, and you checked the cinema listings, would it be a very strong bet or certainty, that it would be true? Sure. So why not something like the benefits of h2o2? If thousands of people told you that sugar was sweet, and you never tasted sugar before, would it be a good bet or certainty that it was true? Sure, why not?
The "testimonials are not proof" argument is stupid and untrue, and only used by atheists and pseudoskeptics to try to dismiss stuff they don't want to accept. The bottom line is that YES, testimonials are evidence, and it varies as to who the people are and the number too. And no, the claim that "everyone used to think the world was flat" doesn't apply here. That's an extreme analogy and has nothing to do at all with testimonials about a product. It's a pure logic fallacy and you should avoid them. Also, you should not argue for sport like Rock and Jester do. Debate should be a search for TRUTH, not a sport.
Let me ask you a funny question. Why is it that you as a Christian, have no trouble believing in Jesus' virgin birth, that he walked on water, and fed thousands of people with two loaves of bread, etc. Yet you find it hard to believe that h2o2 can cure diseases, illnesses and ailments? lol. Isn't that ironic? lol
You missed my point about government warnings. It's the ATTEMPT that matters here. The US government is trying to falsely insinuate that those who drink h2o2 drink it straight from the bottle. Yet in reality, no one recommends doing that. So the government is hoping that you will be stupid enough to fall for it and thus avoid drinking it altogether.
Do you understand now? This is obvious. You should be able to figure it out without me having to explain it multiple times. Geez. Are you being honest? Are you arguing for sport? If not then why do you fail to understand this simple point? If you are a Christian, then you should care about truth and not argue for sport, which is very friggin annoying. I hate people who do that. So many expats do that, they are contrarians who did not fit into society because they like to argue about everything, even if truth is not on their side, because it's a sport to them.
Again, why do you trust the FDA? You don't know very much about how government agencies operate do you? They don't just lie about big things like JFK or 9/11. They lie about many small things as well. I've spent thousands of hours studying conspiracies, so I know a lot better than you. The system is not just corrupt, there are vast conspiracies at work behind the scenes, and lots of proof of it, if you do the research. The world is a lot more disturbing of a place than you can possibly imagine. Why do you think multiple government agencies, police and media will collaborate and agree to LIE in order to cover up a crime, if they are ordered to? Think about it. It means that there are higher "string pullers" running different organizations and factions, even if you don't think that's possible, it still is true nonetheless. There are many many examples I can give. But would that help? Or would you just ignore it? Are you a shill? You need to study conspiracies more. Then you will lost trust in organizations like the FDA. I told you all this before. Don't you get it? You make me feel like I'm talking to someone deaf. Or a shill.