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Gali wrote:
January 16th, 2022, 3:39 am
You did not answer my question
The question being? Whether Cuba is in it (= the global conspiracy)?

Who knows. Probably, as a country that is still reluctant to embrace capitalism, it still had more of an interest to keep its population safe - and in a cost-effective way - rather than giving in the exorbitant costs of a commercial vaccine developed by the usual suspect Big Pharmas. Russia did the same with the Sputnik vaccine, developed by a reputable state research institute.

Surely, of all the countries who deployed a vaccine effectively, Cuba did it without giving tens of billion of dollars to private pharma corporation. Considering that they managed to develop a traditional (non-mRNA) vaccine in record time and no massive scandal has ever erupted, about young people dropping dead after the jab, credit goes to the quality of Cuban biotech research.

Where do you read the tin foil hat conspiracy here? The world is driven by EVIL people. Large corporations would do ANYTHING to fatten that bottom line, especially when profits are one or two orders of magnitude greater than anything they ever had. Elected and (especially) unelected health authority officers, including "science frontmen", would say and approve ANYTHING when the bribes are to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, paid cash into offshore accounts.

It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist, or a madman, to realise that we have come to a point where we, as a species, should truly be swallowed into some sort of flaming earth opening beneath us, Gomorrah-style. I am just looking at reality as it is now.
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publicduende wrote:
January 16th, 2022, 4:29 am
Gali wrote:
January 16th, 2022, 3:39 am
You did not answer my question
The question being? Whether Cuba is in it (= the global conspiracy)?

Who knows. Probably, as a country that is still reluctant to embrace capitalism, it still had more of an interest to keep its population safe - and in a cost-effective way - rather than giving in the exorbitant costs of a commercial vaccine developed by the usual suspect Big Pharmas. Russia did the same with the Sputnik vaccine, developed by a reputable state research institute.

Surely, of all the countries who deployed a vaccine effectively, Cuba did it without giving tens of billion of dollars to private pharma corporation. Considering that they managed to develop a traditional (non-mRNA) vaccine in record time and no massive scandal has ever erupted, about young people dropping dead after the jab, credit goes to the quality of Cuban biotech research.

Where do you read the tin foil hat conspiracy here? The world is driven by EVIL people. Large corporations would do ANYTHING to fatten that bottom line, especially when profits are one or two orders of magnitude greater than anything they ever had. Elected and (especially) unelected health authority officers, including "science frontmen", would say and approve ANYTHING when the bribes are to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, paid cash into offshore accounts.

It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist, or a madman, to realise that we have come to a point where we, as a species, should truly be swallowed into some sort of flaming earth opening beneath us, Gomorrah-style. I am just looking at reality as it is now.
Does not make much sense.

Just enjoy your black pill.
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Gali wrote:
January 16th, 2022, 7:49 am
Does not make much sense.

Just enjoy your black pill.
And you enjoy your 4th dose...and all that comes after it. :-)
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gsjackson wrote:
January 8th, 2022, 3:51 pm
flowerthief00 wrote:
January 8th, 2022, 2:50 pm
Faucci. He strikes me as a very very bad man. The animal experiments he has been conducting for years are horrifying to even read about. Gain-of-function research, good lord. Somehow this guy is top medical advisor?? What kind of world are we in that this is possible?
Check out RFK Jr's book -- currently the bestseller in the country. Fauci cleaned out a few orphanages with his experimental drugs, and sent many thousands of homosexuals and needle users to their deaths with the drug AZT, a form of chemotherapy that had been deemed unsafe for cancer treatment (Corny, some decorum, please -- withhold your applause). He's a Big Pharma enabler, for personal profit, and that's his only professional function.
It's definitely good to see a lot of people out there still reading books, especially on subject matter such as that.
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A decent article showing what had been eminently known for a while: that much of the scientific community knew that it was possible, in fact likely, that not only the Covid-19 virus "escaped" from a lab in Wuhan, but was also not a naturally-mutated virus, straight from bats or pangolins or whatnot. It was lab-engineered to be that way.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/covi ... und-unique

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COVID Lab-Leak Whitewash Has Been 'The Death Of Science' Says Professor Who Found 'Unique Fingerprints'

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University of London professor Angus Dalgleish, who co-authored a paper in summer 2020 after spotting "unique fingerprints" in Covid-19 samples that point to genetic manipulation, says that he's been the victim of a "disgusting whitewash," and that anyone suggesting a non-natural origin for Covid-19 has been silenced by peers.

"This goes back to the days of Copernicus and Galileo - it is the death of science," said the oncologist - who in 1984 discovered how HIV enters and kills cells.

Dalgleish's work was roundly rejected by a string of journalists before it was eventually published in a 'watered-down form,' according to the Express.

In February 2020, the Lancet had published a letter that “strongly condemned conspiracy theories” suggesting that Covid-19 does not have a natural origin. This highly influential letter – subsequently cited in thousands of scientific publications – was signed by 27 experts including Wellcome Trust head and former Sage member Sir Jeremy Farrar.

However, it has since emerged that two weeks before the letter was published, Sir Jeremy stated in private emails that some senior scientists believed a ‘likely explanation’ was that the virus was man-made. -Express

Indeed, Farrar led a February 1, 2020 teleconference (one day after Farrar emailed Anthony Fauci about a Zero Hedge article suggesting Covid may have come from the Wuhan Institute of Virology) - in which one virologist was "80 percent sure this thing had come out of a lab," with others sharing his view.

Dalgleish is the author of a book on Covid which claims the virus has "no credible natural ancestor." He says his team found amino acids within the Covid-19 spike protein with a positive charge - allowing the virus to cling to negative parts of the body.

But it was highly unusual to find so many positive charges in a row because they also repel each other, he said.

“We realised when they released the sequence of the virus it broke the laws of physics for a natural virus meaning it was genetically modified.

“At the time my position was supported by Sir Richard Dearlove, the former head of MI6 who now chairs the University of London board of trustees.”

However, when they tried to publish their work they were turned down by numerous papers, including the Lancet.

“My paper was rejected within five hours”, he said. “Normally it takes three weeks before it is even peer reviewed.” -Express

According to Dalgleish, "It was a political decision for this to be suppressed," adding that after the paper was released, "I was ostracised. I was fearful - really frightened at the way I was being treated."

"I was told I was not an expert on coronavirus’ and should just shut up. People tried to push us away. We were told our theory had no rationale and it was a conspiracy theory. I am so angry about this. I have more virus papers cited than most virology experts and they tried to push me aside.

"They did not even look at the science. It was obvious it was a gain of function escape from a lab and I say escape, but that is generous. We had this data in late February after the sequences were released.

"This has been a whitewash. This whole thing has killed science. Science is meant to look at evidence. It is truly unbelievable."

According to Jacques van Helden, a bioinformatics professor at Aix-Marseille University in France, Peter Daszak's February 2020 Lancet letter effectively shut down debate over the origins of Covid-19.

"By labelling anyone with different views a conspiracy theorist, the Lancet letter was the worst form of bullying in full contravention of the scientific method," said van Helden," adding "To say that something has leaked from a lab does not make it a conspiracy theory."

"Why was that letter signed by so many people? Why can’t we discuss this issue in a scientific journal? I do not want to have to resort to an open exchange on Twitter."
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publicduende wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 10:43 pm
A decent article showing what had been eminently known for a while: that much of the scientific community that it was possible, in fact, that not only the Covid-19 virus "escaped" from a lab in Wuhan, but was also not a naturally-mutated virus, straight from bats or pangolins or what not. It was lab-engineered to be that way.
This is incorrect.

SARS came from bats - transferred to civetcats - transferred to humans
MERS came from bats - transferred to camels - transferred to humans
EBOLA came from bats - transferred from feces of bats to humans (Ebola is not a corona-virus but also RNA virus)

Covid-19 came from bats - transferred to an unknown animal (snake, pangolin ??) because the Chinese Governments was not co-operative in research - and from there to humans

It is possible that the covid-19 virus escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan, but it is just another virus of the corona-group.

South Korea and Japan were badly hit by Chinese tourist groups using flights from Wuhan at the first beginning when the virus moved outside of China and South Korea especially was very worried, suspecting North Korea to try some biological weapon etc.

Thousands of people in Japan (around Sapporo and Osaka/Kyoto) and South Korea were infected because of the irresponsible handling of the situation of the Chinese government.

The virus and all known variants were very carefully analyzed in research centers in Japan and South Korea, private institutes, public research, military research etc. but nothing was found that it was artificially changed or even artificially created. Just nothing and South Korea and Japan are surely not the best friends of Chinese politics.

You should learn to listen also to the other side and not only wasting time to listen to fake news and conspiracy theories.

Maybe try for example
Top Infectious Disease Expert From Korea Explains The Delta Variant



Especially from
18:54 - Is it possible for COVID to be man-made?

up to next topic
26:51 - When will COVID settle down as a seasonal virus?
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What Koreans think of Vaccine Passport

In South Korea there are restrictions for unvaccinated people, but there is no mandatory vaccination.

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In Japan nobody really cares, vaccinated or not....more relaxed situation, more easier life here in Japan.
Nobody is here forced into anything, daily life as always... even if we have plenty of infections of omicron recently.

The only real restriction is travel abroad and after to re-enter Japan again...

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Yohan wrote:
January 23rd, 2022, 8:10 am
This is incorrect.

SARS came from bats - transferred to civetcats - transferred to humans
MERS came from bats - transferred to camels - transferred to humans
EBOLA came from bats - transferred from feces of bats to humans (Ebola is not a corona-virus but also RNA virus)

Covid-19 came from bats - transferred to an unknown animal (snake, pangolin ??) because the Chinese Governments was not co-operative in research - and from there to humans

It is possible that the covid-19 virus escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan, but it is just another virus of the corona-group.

South Korea and Japan were badly hit by Chinese tourist groups using flights from Wuhan at the first beginning when the virus moved outside of China and South Korea especially was very worried, suspecting North Korea to try some biological weapon etc.

Thousands of people in Japan (around Sapporo and Osaka/Kyoto) and South Korea were infected because of the irresponsible handling of the situation of the Chinese government.

The virus and all known variants were very carefully analyzed in research centers in Japan and South Korea, private institutes, public research, military research etc. but nothing was found that it was artificially changed or even artificially created. Just nothing and South Korea and Japan are surely not the best friends of Chinese politics.

You should learn to listen also to the other side and not only wasting time to listen to fake news and conspiracy theories.

Maybe try for example
Top Infectious Disease Expert From Korea Explains The Delta Variant



Especially from
18:54 - Is it possible for COVID to be man-made?

up to next topic
26:51 - When will COVID settle down as a seasonal virus?
@Yohan

It's almost awkward to talk about bats, rats and pangolins when even mainstream news outlets (online and on video) have established that Fauci was aware that gain of function research on Coronaviruses was being performed in Wuhan as other labs in US, Canada and the UK.

On another thread I posted another one of those rare studies, this time from a reputable academic from the UK, which not only established that Covid is a lab-designed virus that could have never existed or evolved in nature in its present form, but also remains highly skeptical about the "Wuhan wet market" or other "accidential leak" narratives.

The only silver lining I see is that, as of now, Omicron is comparable to a mild flu, so it's a good idea for Japan, the Philippines and other Asian countries to just archive the pandemic file and get the f**k back to our normal life, as the likes of the UK, Spain and even France are trying to do.
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Yohan is brainwash and love authortarian same asian hivemind

he belief whatever japan korea medias say so he watch tv repeat and call it fact
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publicduende wrote:
January 23rd, 2022, 9:39 am
@Yohan
It's almost awkward to talk about bats, rats and pangolins when even mainstream news outlets (online and on video) have established that Fauci was aware that gain of function research on Coronaviruses was being performed in Wuhan as other labs in US, Canada and the UK.
Bats are full with coronoa-viruses which they transmit to various animals and those animals infect humans.
This is known and proven since February 2003. (SARS China) and 2012 (MERS Saudi Arabia)
What has this to do with Fauci?
On another thread I posted another one of those rare studies, this time from a reputable academic from the UK, which not only established that Covid is a lab-designed virus that could have never existed or evolved in nature in its present form, but also remains highly skeptical about the "Wuhan wet market" or other "accidential leak" narratives.
Prove it, never anything was found that the covid-19 virus is different from other viruses of the corona-group.
Nothing was found that it was manipulated or 'created'. For sure, no researcher in Japan and South Korea is 'china-friendly'.

How it was spread locally at the beginning is another question, it might be from the Wuhan laboratory, or from the Wuhan wet market...
both is possible. It is too late of course to investigate it and China is anyway not co-operative.

However it cannot be denied that it was spread internationally into Japan and South Korea by Chinese tourist groups from Wuhan or nearby, despite Chinese authorities already cancelled local flights from that area.
The only silver lining I see is that, as of now, Omicron is comparable to a mild flu, so it's a good idea for Japan, the Philippines and other Asian countries to just archive the pandemic file and get the f**k back to our normal life, as the likes of the UK, Spain and even France are trying to do.
Survey: Pneumonia much less common among omicron patients than delta
https://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0008206181

It took a while of course to collect and to compare the original virus from Chinese tourists who infected Japanese people in Sapporo and Osaka/Kyoto with the delta variant and the new omicron-variant. The result you can read yourself, link above.

The omicron variant #1 appears to be milder in Japan compared to delta and previous variants and original, but why is still unclear - at the beginning medical doctors did not even know that covid-19 is existing and had nothing to fight it. This is very different now of course, and not only because of vaccination.

The delta-virus is still around in many places in Japan. The newest omicron variant #2 is already on the way.

About back to normal life, there is hardly anything different from what life within Japan was for me 3 years ago, except travel abroad/re-entry from abroad. No demos, no fake-news, no anti-vaxx groups, no mandatory vaccination, no mandatory vaccine passport to carry with you....there are no restrictions to go out anytime to anywhere...even no face-mask while walking outdoors... I can ride around on my motorcycle to any village near the sea or in the mountain area.. same as always.

It's UK, France, USA etc. which are in a chaos, but not here in Japan or in South Korea.

All this demo-chaos in Western countries is not because of vaccination of various diseases including covid-19, it is about mandatory vaccination and mandatory vaccination passports and other restrictions like total lockdown.
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Yohan wrote:
January 23rd, 2022, 8:22 pm
Bats are full with coronoa-viruses which they transmit to various animals and those animals infect humans.
This is known and proven since February 2003. (SARS China) and 2012 (MERS Saudi Arabia)
What has this to do with Fauci?
That's the official narrative.
Yohan wrote:
January 23rd, 2022, 8:22 pm
Prove it, never anything was found that the covid-19 virus is different from other viruses of the corona-group.
Nothing was found that it was manipulated or 'created'. For sure, no researcher in Japan and South Korea is 'china-friendly'.

How it was spread locally at the beginning is another question, it might be from the Wuhan laboratory, or from the Wuhan wet market...
both is possible. It is too late of course to investigate it and China is anyway not co-operative.

However it cannot be denied that it was spread internationally into Japan and South Korea by Chinese tourist groups from Wuhan or nearby, despite Chinese authorities already cancelled local flights from that area.
More and more exposes are coming out. I recently posted on in here.

viewtopic.php?p=366489#p366489

and it's not the only one.

I am not doubting that Covid-19 was spread in Japan and South Korea by Chinese nationals. I am referring to the "prime mover", whoever "leaked" the virus from the Wuhan lab to the city of Wuhan and nearby.
Yohan wrote:
January 23rd, 2022, 8:22 pm
Survey: Pneumonia much less common among omicron patients than delta
https://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0008206181

It took a while of course to collect and to compare the original virus from Chinese tourists who infected Japanese people in Sapporo and Osaka/Kyoto with the delta variant and the new omicron-variant. The result you can read yourself, link above.

The omicron variant #1 appears to be milder in Japan compared to delta and previous variants and original, but why is still unclear - at the beginning medical doctors did not even know that covid-19 is existing and had nothing to fight it. This is very different now of course, and not only because of vaccination.

The delta-virus is still around in many places in Japan. The newest omicron variant #2 is already on the way.

About back to normal life, there is hardly anything different from what life within Japan was for me 3 years ago, except travel abroad/re-entry from abroad. No demos, no fake-news, no anti-vaxx groups, no mandatory vaccination, no mandatory vaccine passport to carry with you....there are no restrictions to go out anytime to anywhere...even no face-mask while walking outdoors... I can ride around on my motorcycle to any village near the sea or in the mountain area.. same as always.

It's UK, France, USA etc. which are in a chaos, but not here in Japan or in South Korea.

All this demo-chaos in Western countries is not because of vaccination of various diseases including covid-19, it is about mandatory vaccination and mandatory vaccination passports and other restrictions like total lockdown.
Yes, I know life is pretty much normal in Japan, you lucky dog! :-) But how come it's so normal that none of us tourists are allowed into Japan anymore?
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In the meantime, this is the situation in Europe.

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publicduende wrote:
January 24th, 2022, 1:21 am
Yes, I know life is pretty much normal in Japan, you lucky dog! But how come it's so normal that none of us tourists are allowed into Japan anymore?
Same for me too. I can leave Japan anytime, but to re-enter Japan is not easy, possible for a resident like myself, but only after quarantine, various testing etc.

There are still some airplanes in and out of Japan and every day quarantine officers in Tokyo/Narita Airport who are testing all arriving passengers have to send 100 to 300 of them straight into isolation because they are infected with covid-19 or found to be otherwise sick with high fever.

Another problem are US-servicemen, they entered Japan using military airports within their bases, hundreds of them left USA without proper check, were not checked after arrival in their base and were walking out into Japanese territory and infected thousands of Japanese and also personnel living outside of the military bases, especially in Okinawa (approx. up to now 11.000 people infected) and Iwakuni next to Hiroshima (13.000 people infected). The gates of those US-bases are now closed. No way out except for certain personnel on duty.

I wonder why passengers are not properly checked for their medical documents/covid-19 testing, temperature check etc. when boarding their flights.

I can only say, some countries have to improve their medical services regarding passengers boarding airplane for international routes.

The only good thing is that this omicron virus is rather weak and most fully vaccinated people (covid x2 or x3, seasonal flu, pneumonia) recover quickly within a few days. Very few deaths reported - today 17 people in all Japan. Not many in ICU, today 439 patients.

I expect end of February 2022 Japan will be open again and this omicron variant will be gone.
Now still vaccination booster campaign is going on.
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Yohan wrote:
January 24th, 2022, 2:25 am
I expect end of February 2022 Japan will be open again and this omicron variant will be gone.
Now still vaccination booster campaign is going on.
That would be perfect timing...I'll be there by cherry blossoms :-)
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Italy.html
Anti-vaxxer, 28, dies of Covid after tearing off his oxygen mask
and insisting he did not have the disease while being treated at Italian hospital


The man, named as Luigi Cossellu, reportedly denied existence of Covid-19
He, along with his 55-year-old father, are said to have both been unvacinated
Mr Cossellu was admitted to hospital last Sunday with acute respiratory failure
He initially refused treatment, tearing off his oxygen mask in the hospital
Doctors were able to persuade him to put it back on, but he later passed away
Full story, link above
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