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Are martial arts any good?

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And if so, what should we learn? I used to think that the Western military CQB was the apogee of fighting skills, but really it is fairly limited in scope compared to what you might want in daily life and is just a few sensible tactics that appealed to a few guys. Most Asian martial arts seem to be a joke. Maybe there are a few exceptions. Those arts based on combat sports at least have some grounding in reality, but even then there don't seem to be any great techniques or anything magical. Keep fit. Lift weights to be strong. Learn to punch, kick, throw and grapple. There doesn't seem to be much to it.
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Largely thanks to @Lucas88 there's a lot of thoughts about this in this thread I started earlier, because I am also getting back into martial arts since leaving the USSA means giving up fire-arms as a self defense option:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=45329&p=371502

I think @Lucas88's view that MMA and some cross-training is ideal, but basic striking (boxing, kickboxing) and freestyle wrestling are a good basic foundation to be able to fight with strikes, or possibly lock up an attacker in a clinch and either keep f***ing him up or use some of their neat throws. That kind of stuff is effective in real fights. (Source: Watching 1980s-90s Pacific Northwestern mouth-breathers with mostly a wrestling background beating the shit out of each other occasionally, but also seeing it show up very well in MMA circles.)

Re: Asian martial arts, Muay Thai is the no-BS one that definitely is very, very good. (Some of the other traditional ones have a really interesting history and I think at certain periods practitioners did know how to use them better because they fight life-and-death battles with them sometimes, but I think a lot of them lost their original knowledge in making them effective, but regardless in the modern times they for the most part have all got their asses kicked in MMA, with Muay Thai being the exception.)

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is definitely not BS (can be highly effective) but I'm not into it personally even though acknowledge it has value, but Lucas88 who has way more experience with it went into quite a bit of detail about why he prefers freestyle wrestling as a grappling foundation in the other thread.
If you're serious about "taking the red pill," read thoroughly researched work by an unbiased "American intellectual soldier of our age" to learn what controlled media doesn't want you to see 8) : https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/
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WilliamSmith wrote:
September 23rd, 2022, 2:08 pm
Re: Asian martial arts, Muay Thai is the no-BS one that definitely is very, very good. (Some of the other traditional ones have a really interesting history and I think at certain periods practitioners did know how to use them better because they fight life-and-death battles with them sometimes, but I think a lot of them lost their original knowledge in making them effective, but regardless in the modern times they for the most part have all got their asses kicked in MMA, with Muay Thai being the exception.)

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is definitely not BS (can be highly effective) but I'm not into it personally even though acknowledge it has value, but Lucas88 who has way more experience with it went into quite a bit of detail about why he prefers freestyle wrestling as a grappling foundation in the other thread.
Combat sports are going to be effective within the sport, but they don't contain some of what you would want and emphasise some stuff too much. Wrestling on the ground and wearing people down with leg kicks aren't something you would want to do often IRL. A lot of their stuff is good though.

With the traditional non-full-contact arts, over the years many of their practitioners have failed miserably when tested and very little of their stuff seems usable. AFAIK, the only good things to come out of Wing Chung are their method of side stepping and the swivel punch, while the only good things to come out of Taekwondo are the turning back kick and shapely Korean female asses. My last hope for traditional martial arts that have something magical to them are traditional internal Chinese arts such as Tai Chi and Bagua as taught by the late Erle Montague and others, but many say they are all BS. If anyone knows about internal TCM, please post.
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Don't underestimate leg kicks! I know what you mean because when I first started MMA training it seemed kinda lame... until I ended up getting smashed with them and limping home with ping-pong ball sized lumps on my shins or side of my legs. I just posted this in that other thread about Asian incels confused if they're only valued for their money (answer = "no", unless they can't shake the "current thing" or being a bunch of faggots dressing up in women's clothing same as the whites and jews, but I digress): See here where Takayama totally takes out a big muscular dude who looked like he was about to dominate the match earlier, until he got hit with just one leg kick. But the "war of attrition" thing of wearing guys down with leg kicks isn't just BS either.

If you're serious about "taking the red pill," read thoroughly researched work by an unbiased "American intellectual soldier of our age" to learn what controlled media doesn't want you to see 8) : https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/
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WilliamSmith wrote:
September 23rd, 2022, 7:23 pm

Don't underestimate leg kicks!
Nothing wrong with leg kicks in general. Leg stamp and axe kicks aimed at breaking the knee joint (or sometimes the ankle joint) are a mainstay of close quarter battle and kicks to the shins are useful. However, the general strategy of roundhouse kicks to the thighs to eventually make the opponent immobile is much less useful in real life than in Thai boxing matches IMO.
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Cornfed wrote:
September 23rd, 2022, 6:19 pm
Combat sports are going to be effective within the sport, but they don't contain some of what you would want and emphasise some stuff too much. Wrestling on the ground and wearing people down with leg kicks aren't something you would want to do often IRL. A lot of their stuff is good though.
Leg kicks are extremely effective against opponents who are not conditioned to absorb them. I trained in Muay Thai for a while (Muay Thai fighters spend a lot of time conditioning their shins and legs and all know how to check a leg kick even from the beginner level). Then one day I went to a regular kickboxing gym and leg kicked a few of the high-graded students in sparring. Since many people at regular kickboxing gyms don't know how to check leg kicks or even condition their legs for them, I was able to drop them sometimes with just one or two of them. There wasn't even a wearing down with leg kicks. The wearing down thing only occurs when a leg kicker faces a highly conditioned Muay Thai or MMA fighter who knows how to take them.

And that's just talking about leg kicks to the muscle. If you aim a bit lower at the point just above the knee and slightly to the side, you can completely blow somebody's knee out.

Calf kicks are also a thing now in MMA. You can drop somebody with a well-placed and powerful calf kick. Again, it would be especially devastating against an untrained opponent who is not conditioned to absorb them.

From a street fighting perspective, wrestling and Jiujitsu can be useful to avoid fighting on the ground. In the event that you are tackled, thrown or taken down in some way, you can use basic wrestling and Jiujitsu skills to scramble and get back up to your feet. It is also useful to learn defense against punches from the mount and also escapes for in case you get mounted by an opponent in a fight. Basic knowledge of the open guard and technical standups too for if somebody tries to kick you on the ground.
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September 23rd, 2022, 6:19 pm
My last hope for traditional martial arts that have something magical to them are traditional internal Chinese arts such as Tai Chi and Bagua as taught by the late Erle Montague and others, but many say they are all BS. If anyone knows about internal TCM, please post.
Chi Gong is very real indeed (I wrote a lot about my own experiences in WilliamSmith's "Energy Arts" thread). However, as far as I know, the internal Chinese arts such as Tai Qi don't really have any practical combat application. They are used for cultivating the body's qi. Qi cultivation can promote health and vitality and strengthen orgasms if done safely.
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September 23rd, 2022, 8:17 pm
And that's just talking about leg kicks to the muscle. If you aim a bit lower at the point just above the knee and slightly to the side, you can completely blow somebody's knee out.
I wouldn't rely on leg kicks to the muscle in serious situations. They are a bit like punching people in the stomach. It might work or it might not. If you want to break someone's knee joint, the leg stamp is the way to go. This is similar to a side kick where you hit the front or weighted leg just below the knee either straight on or to the inside and aim to break the leg as you would break kindling leaning against a wall.
However, as far as I know, the internal Chinese arts such as Tai Qi don't really have any practical combat application
The late Erle Montague and now his son think otherwise. As with acupuncture, you build up the energy within you and then use your techniques to break the resistance of the other person's skin and inject the energy into them where it will make the appropriate internal changes. It is odd that others have a radically different interpretation of tai chi and seem not to have heard of Erle. He used to be a mainstay in martial arts back in the day. Here is their Youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/c/taichiworld/videos
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Lucas88 wrote:
September 23rd, 2022, 8:17 pm
Leg kicks are extremely effective against opponents who are not conditioned to absorb them.
Good discussion here guys. I just popped in to comment on this because it gave me a chuckle remembering my earlier MMA training in my early 20s when I was limping home from the gym at night with big ping-pong ball sized lumps that it had raised from not being conditioned to block leg kicks well yet, then I saw that giggling happy drunk college girl with big tits sloshing around hanging on some dorky dude and decided it was time for a pause to make up for lost time and get my ass in gear to get more women on a regular basis.
Now I'm not putting women on pause, but it's the other way around otherwise and I need to get my ass in gear to do more leg conditioning and kicks, since I have been a bit slow on that (partly because of taking a renewed interest in boxing at the moment over getting started with kicks, but I ought to do at least a bit of regular conditioning).
If you're serious about "taking the red pill," read thoroughly researched work by an unbiased "American intellectual soldier of our age" to learn what controlled media doesn't want you to see 8) : https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/
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