The Sugar Baby Culture - A Revelation

[Shemp]

The sugar lifestyle and sugar dating reddits discuss other possible sites. Consensus is that, while seeking.com has gone to hell in the past few years, it is still the best place for finding sugar babies. (Same as this forum here has gone to hell but is still my favourite such forum.) Just be prepared to grind through lots of trash to find the jewels. if you look back on this thread, I mentioned tinder and the magic phrase for tinder that tells girls you are a sugar daddy without being banned.

[WorldTraveler]

I briefly scanned this thread and noticed I didn't participate. I must have been absent from the forum while it was active, otherwise I would have chimed in, since I've been sugar daddying for years now. Because I have an active travel life, it is only occasionally that I'm stationary long enough to seek out a sugar baby, so my actual experience is limited.

Currently I have an escort in Ukraine who I have sort of converted into a sugar baby, though I prefer the term rental girlfriend, since I've been seeing her regularly for past three summers (about 70 meetings of 4 hours each so far) and will be seeing her again this summer. Converting a top-tier escort is an excellent way to get a trouble-free and high-quality rental girlfriend. After a few years, most escorts lose their initial enthusiasm for new men and start focusing on a small group of preferred customers. Advantage of escorts is that you can test drive a whole bunch very quickly, like I did, looking for a good match, then immediately convert her to rental girlfriend by simply seeing her frequently. I am only interested in a summer girlfriend, so monogamy is unrealistic in my case, but if you are in a location full-time, monogamy could be an option, for the right price. Disadvantage of my approach is that top-tier escorts are not cheap. However, given how costs in Ukraine are low, even top level prices there are still affordable for me. I pay $250 for each 4 hour session, or about $6000 for the summer (24 sessions). If I were living full-time in Ukraine, I would probably only see the girl once weekly, so $12000/year. (Price levels in Kyiv,Ukraine about 1/3 that of Dallas, TX, USA, so comparable price would be $750 for 4 hours in Dallas.)

Non-escort (aka civilian) girls are much cheaper, but it can be extremely time consuming to find a good one, same as with regular dating. I don't have such time, because of my traveling lifestyle that I mentioned above. Back when I was more stationary than now, I used seeking.com (seeking arrangement back then) to find sugar babies in flyover country in the USA. I offered somewhere around $200-$300 for 2-3 hours. Most of the girls who responded where either low class hoodrats or physically unattractive (obesity epidemic, bad skin, etc) or incompatible in personality, so that masturbation seemed preferable. But I did meet 3 high-quality candidates and had relationships of about 2 months with each of these. But they weren't high enough quality for me to be fully enthusiastic, the way I am with that escort in Ukraine, who is truly top-tier. My impression is that seeking.com is now 99% trash but still 1% of quality girls for those willing to put in the hours necessary to find them: searching the site, texting, going on meet and greet dates, putting up with flaking, etc.

An alternative to seeking.com is to simply announce yourself to be a "generous gentlemen seeking mutually beneficial relationship with younger woman" on Tinder. Those are the magic words that say you're a sugar daddy but won't cause you to be immediately banned (I don't think). Be discreet in all communication on Tinder, move to WhatsApp or similar ASAP, continue to be discreet, SCREEN MERCILESSLY FOR SCAMMERS, FLAKES, CLUELESS NEWBIES, LACK.OF MUTUAL CHEMISTRY, ETC. You can't waste time on junk candidates. Unlike with regular dating, a man who is paying a decent amount ($300 for 2 hours on flyover country is plenty decent) is in high demand, so no need to pursue unpromising leads. Just wait and good leads will eventually appear.

You need to work on inner game when paying. A lot of guys are weaklings who think paying is humiliating. On the contrary, paying is empowering, assuming you have money. Compare paying for dinner at a restaurant versus singing and begging for dinner. If the amounts of money I listed above bother you, then you can greatly reduce costs in second-tier cities of Ukraine with civilian girls. Think $400/month for monogamous girlfriend you see as often as you want or maybe live with. If even that is too much or you are forced to live in the USA because of job, then just go MGTOW and masturbate, which is also empowering. Whereas allowing your happiness, including your sexual happiness, to be dependent on women's sexual whims is very disempowering.

This is a very good post

Winston, why doesn't your Forum have a like button?

"generous gentlemen seeking mutually beneficial relationship with younger woman" I'll remember that phrase. I'm not believing you can get monogamy in the Ukraine unless the girl is living with you, and then she'll still seek some action on the side, unless she is really lazy. I think these girls are opportunists.

[Shemp]

Probably fake news, but worth reading for men contemplating paying women, so these men understand how badly they will be humiliated if they pay without getting sex in return. Just as beginning prostitutes are reminded by their mentors to "get the money first" (before sex), beginning sugar daddies need to be reminded to "get the sex first" (before handing over money). A compromise is to put the money on the table where it remains until after sex. But only do this with women who seem trustworthy based on previous meet and greet at coffee shop. An unscrupulous woman could still grab the money, scream when the man objects, inflict self-harm, call police, blame man for the harm: off to prison the man goes...

http://www.barcroft.tv/professional-dat ... y-new-york

[flowerthief00]

“A girl like you should not have to work so hard. You should have a sugar daddy.”

There's a mentality we don't need more of. As if women these days are not entitled enough!

[Contrarian Expatriate]

“A girl like you should not have to work so hard. You should have a sugar daddy.”

There's a mentality we don't need more of. As if women these days are not entitled enough!

Well, the attractive girls already feel that way so it is not increasing that mentality. The purpose of verbalizing it is to simply identify yourself as someone who will indulge them on it.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Very a propos video from Coach Greg Adams:

I loved his quote, "Free women actually cost the most."

[Contrarian Expatriate]

It is a shame this even needs to be posted, but some guys' feminist programming dies hard.

[Light]

It is a shame this even needs to be posted, but some guys' feminist programming dies hard.

Great video. I always figured money played some role in a guy's success in getting a woman and now I know it is one of the most important things a guy can have to get a woman.

Does a girlfriend allowance like you suggest work on most girls and is it enough to keep a girl around? Do you recommend a guy only have one girlfriend or multiple when giving a girlfriend allowance?

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Does a girlfriend allowance like you suggest work on most girls and is it enough to keep a girl around?

All girls are different. If a girl has all of her financial needs already met, it would not work. I have yet to meet such a girl especially in the low 20s. Most female college students and young professionals are financially irresponsible at worst, and not financially savvy at best. This is why it works so well, especially at times like right now.

Do you recommend a guy only have one girlfriend or multiple when giving a girlfriend allowance?

A guy should NEVER have one girlfriend in my view because that leads to "oneitis," an affliction where guys get too emotionally attached to one girl and he therefore becomes ripe for abuse and exploitation by the girl. A guy should always be ready to get up and walk away from any girl at any time if she gets out of pocket. Multiple girls enables that. One girl make men into groveling simps. The allowance question is separate but would only introduce the allowance to the favorite girl as an incentive for her to remain well behaved and with you. If you dump her, you transfer her allowance to the next favorite. At least that is what I do.

[StanfordGuy]

Shemp's Ukrainian sugar baby has a few videos online..

https://www.legalporno.com/model/3550/elen_million

[Neo]

Great video. I always figured money played some role in a guy's success in getting a woman and now I know it is one of the most important things a guy can have to get a woman.

It really depends on the woman. Sometimes a woman likes the man for the man.

There are some people who want love. Then there are some people who simply want money. It'd be better to choose the loving woman over the woman who loves money more than she loves the man. Keep in mind, with love comes sex.

The problem is, society has been brainwashed to believe that women (should) only go for rich or evil men, but there are some women who aren't interested in either of those. Some women are interested in love.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Great video. I always figured money played some role in a guy's success in getting a woman and now I know it is one of the most important things a guy can have to get a woman.

It really depends on the woman. Sometimes a woman likes the man for the man.

There are some people who want love. Then there are some people who simply want money. It'd be better to choose the loving woman over the woman who loves money more than she loves the man. Keep in mind, with love comes sex.

The problem is, society has been brainwashed to believe that women (should) only go for rich or evil men, but there are some women who aren't interested in either of those. Some women are interested in love.

Somehow you missed the entire point of the experiment. Women tend to like the men for the man when they know he is higher income or wealthier. That is, women subconsciously make this determination, not consciously. So the take away is that women don’t even acknowledge why they choose men with money, but they just do as a consequence of their natural firmware. Not sure why that is so difficult a concept for some.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

A guy should NEVER have one girlfriend in my view because that leads to "oneitis," an affliction where guys get too emotionally attached to one girl and he therefore becomes ripe for abuse and exploitation by the girl. A guy should always be ready to get up and walk away from any girl at any time if she gets out of pocket. Multiple girls enables that. One girl make men into groveling simps. The allowance question is separate but would only introduce the allowance to the favorite girl as an incentive for her to remain well behaved and with you. If you dump her, you transfer her allowance to the next favorite. At least that is what I do.

[StanfordGuy]

This thread seems to be about a bunch of old, played out duds paying prostitutes for sex. This has been going on in eastern Europe for over 70 years. It's called sponsorship. Nothing new here.

[Spencer]

This thread seems to be about a bunch of old, played out duds paying prostitutes for sex. This has been going on in eastern Europe for over 70 years. It's called sponsorship. Nothing new here.

you still get free right? when you become senior citizen like shemp and contrarian expat, will you give up or sponsorship? or do you think then you will still get girls who like you genuine so still free?