Outcast9428 wrote: ↑December 5th, 2022, 2:34 pm
@Tsar
It would not help traditionalism at all because with this economic system you are speaking of, you are giving people an excessive number of safety nets. You’re not encouraging them to try and become responsible individuals who can make a life for themselves and their family you are encouraging them to sit around and do the minimum amount of effort possible. If you give people all those basic necessities for free then many people will not work. And you can say the benefit to working is enjoying a higher standard of living but there’s plenty of people who will sit around in your government paid for block apartments and just do drugs and play video games all day.
You need a system that lights a little bit of a fire under people’s asses but doesn’t actually kill them if they fail. That’s what we have right now. Find me a news story of someone actually starving to death because they couldn’t afford to eat? Capitalism is not killing anybody in America. Poverty does not look like an Oliver Twist novel anymore. In fact we give the poor so much money in welfare benefits now that they live better then the lower middle class does despite usually having no jobs.
That’s why I like the marriage loans program Hungary is doing. Give the money to people who are getting married and have jobs. Give assistance to people who are actually trying, don’t give assistance to parasites who just want to do the bare minimum.
I am not advocating for unlimited free handouts. People will want to work and do want to work.
People will need to work to buy things but guaranteeing the basics isn't wrong. The people won't even be allowed to sell their apartment for money. They will be required to do some work in exchange for their minimum even if they don't want better. But video games and entertainment cost money and they won't have money on the basic minimum. They'll receive coupons for government stores with standard products. Nothing else.
Coupons for basic things like eggs, fruits, vegetables, and limited amounts of grains. They won't be getting anything that is over the basics. If people want to have an absolute basic life not working with a limited amount of food then that should be their choice.
People will not able to have experiences or see nature or travel without working. They won't be able to buy alcohol or cakes or anything.
So no, people will need to work to earn money, and in my fair system, people will be given what they need to be self-employed in a starter job because employment will be guaranteed or they can volunteer for credits and coupons, or they can try to work for other people who have small business. People will not apply to work and everyone works. I'm not advocating for a pro-consumerist type welfare system that will allow people to play video games or sit around all day while eating snacks and watching movies. People can sit in a chair and do nothing, go for walks, exercise on their own, lay around, or cook basic meals but that's not how people would choose to live. People will work for themselves, small business, or the government. Workers won't apply or beg profiteers to hire them and pay them wages. People will earn their own wages.
Today's capitalism favors profiteers and land owners like in Feudalism. I want a more archaic capitalism that favors people and small business, so I guess that's where the overlap comes in.
My system is designed to encourage people to live like Ancient People and Renaissance People but in modern times. Prevent obscene wealth ownership.
It will encourage people to do real work and create self-employment. It will give people time to invent new things, learn new talents, and apply them to create small businesses.
It will reward producers, not profiteers. It will destroy large business in favor of individual artisans up to medium businesses. It will enhance competition to a level seen in the Renaissance. People will focus on creating the best things and most beautiful things.
People will be productive because if people are given land, they will need to generate economic activity in a healthy way and learn farming.
I also don't believe most people need cars if there's a developed subway system.
Another thing is most modern jobs are worthless and useless. Most people must return to productive jobs, not developing distractions for people. Instead of having 5 to 20 grocery stores largely dominate a country, my system would have thousands of small family grocery stores and a government grocery store.
Just because I want an egalitarian system doesn't make it communist. My system might be similar in some aspects to communism but it's designed to promote ownership of private businesses like in Renaissance capitalism and artisans like in Ancient Rome.
America is declining because people are forced to become serfs working for large businesses and multinational corporations. That is not Capitalism in any traditional form. It cannot be supported or acknowledged. I don't support Republican economic policy or Democrat economic policy because both are Jew controlled. One is Jewish usury and the other Jewish controlled redistribution.
What I want is a system that removes all vestiges of Jewish influence and returns the world to absolute fairness. Many pagan societies gave everyone the limited basics for life. The Norse pagans were one great example.
If someone examines nature and paganism, then they know that the best path for any system is with everyone being cared for. I imagined a new system based on the best principles of every system. People can still be rich and they can live good lives, but it will reward them with extra privileges, maybe temporary rights that come with extra responsibility, and a place in history. Much like from ancient times up to the Renaissance, and even in some cases until the end of monarchies. There's no reason that everyone born into the world shouldn't be able to have a great life.
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@Pixel--Dude and
@Lucas88, I want less automation for most jobs. Automation only for mass production but I want most jobs to be high-quality or produced by artisans or custom made for every customer. Common prosperity and fulfillment through work comes from creative expression, freedom, and being fairly rewarded. It doesn't mean enriching a manager or a CEO or shareholders who own stocks of a corporation or giving a cut to financiers who own financial markets or to large businesses.
You probably are working within the existing system so you can't imagine my system. My system involves a completely new monetary system and new economic system. No financial system as it is now would exist if I ruled a country. Business would exist and money would exist, but I would not have Fiat Currency or Fractional Reserve Banking or Debt or Unlimited Ownership or Misuse of Natural Resources. Destroy the old system and completely replace it.
Everyone can and will have limited ownership of a communist style apartment in the city and can eventually exchange it for an upgrade or move into an apartment they choose in the city if they can buy a better one they want. Everyone can and will have limited ownership of a country house or a family property in the countryside. That's not communist, it's common prosperity. People can save over decades or multiple generations to build a family mansion on land and the land gets managed like a farm.
Farmland will grow crops or be for grazing animals or growing forests depending on what use it's best able to be used for considering it's natural state and the climate.
People cannot turn a forest or woodlands into pastures. People cannot turn pastures into a forest under most circumstances. People will need to use the land in harmony with nature like pagans and ancient people, and even most people in the Renaissance.
The news is owned by large businesses and multinational corporations and billionaires. It's censored by the profiteers and manipulated by ideologues. There is no real news. There is no voice of the people or truth in the news. It's mostly propaganda.
America and other Jew-infested nations have terrible economic conditions and growing poverty because even if people want to try to create social policies that are more traditional, they still have toxic economic policies that have too much Jew influence or are only temporary bandaid solutions because they adjust one thing in a completely broken system.
Like I said, modern capitalism doesn't work and it doesn't help most people.
Tell me if you really think that people in the Renaissance were paying the equivalent of $300,000-400,000 for a home or going into lifelong debt for one? Why small business has been dying since 1960 in the United States, if the United States really has the best economic system? America had to outlaw both the National Socialist and Communist parties, and FDR had to implement Public Works Projects similar to communism and even that wasn't enough to get America out of the Great Depression which was largely caused because of usury, profiteering, and the Gilded Age. America has one of the most broken, corrupt, disastrous, evil, flawed, unfair, and usurious economic systems in the world.
Communism of the Bolsheviks wasn't exactly designed to be successful because the Bolsheviks were denominated by the evil Jews, just like America is.
Adolf Hitler created a radical new system in Germany called National Socialism. He got Germany out of the Great Depression without a war because he swept out the Jews, Jewish influence, destroyed Jewish power, ended usury, created a much fairer economy, fair compensation, well managed resources, protected nature, creates environmental protections, gave people a good start in life, and created real bottom upwards economic growth. In ten years, Germany went from a hyperinflation, high unemployment, defeated nation with a broken people without much national pride and little opportunity and an army in tatters and a terrible business climate into a superpower with the world's strongest economy, common prosperity, full employment, a nation of hope with people full of nationalism, great opportunity, and one of the best armies in human history. That's what a radical new economic system under an authoritarian leader and no Jewish influence can accomplish.
America cannot do that. America's history is mostly exploitation of other peoples or its own population. It has a history of mismanaging it's resources, intentionally allowing profiteers to destroy nature, cause extinctions of wildlife, and the mismanagement of natural resources. This is toxic Jewish values or the delusional Anglo-Protestant mindsets that developed sometime in the 1600s and only became worse.
Look at Britain? It mismanaged it's national resources. It use to be forested but it destroyed it's forests. It use to have more farms. London became mostly a city of profiteers. They looted other nations, stole artifacts from across the world like thieves, forced famines on other nations, and because they couldn't compete fairly, they used resources gained through exploitation to destroy all their rivals. That's what I call a terrible empire. No offense
@Pixel--Dude or
@Lucas88. An empire built on blood and oppression that went from "An empire where the sun never sets" to broken because they fought against National Socialist Germany purely to maintain hegemony status and complete control of all trades routes at sea, and then they lost everything. But the real reason is that Britain was likely completely cucked to the Jews to an extreme level that the constitutional monarchy had to give into Jewish interests, much like they chose not to rescue the Romanovs because of Jewish interests.
Look at America now? It's just the same as the former British Empire but only much worse in terms of exploitation, neocolonialism, disrupting stability in the world, regime change, color revolutions, militarism, creating hotbeds of terrorism, and creating new hotspots for future conflicts. NATO, AUKUS, G7 is effectively the Greater American Empire. But Israel is really the main leader of the American Empire behind the scenes. The Jews in the collective West and Israel destroys the world. America only works to serve the Elites and it wages war to preserve it's hegemonic status purely to protect their Jewish Elites. Most people in North America and even Europe wouldn't fight for their nations. They might defend themselves and their families if threatened but they wouldn't fight an invader. America is destined to mathematically fall this century.
Russia has the advantage because it has a real economy. Yes, America is supposedly the wealthiest in fiat wealth but much of that fiat is owned by the rich, corporations, or billionaires. Most of America's prosperity is built on debt. Russia has more real wealth and so do their people. Russia's government could mobilize their resources and factory and workers to create weapons, artillery, and other war goods if needed. May not the most advanced but things that will accomplish the job. The Russian defense industry is state-owned. America will be paying billions to it's war profiteers but America must actively issue debt or collect the taxes to pay their private arms manufacturers. America is in an unsustainable position and like Britain, by seeking to destroy Russia, it will only destroy itself. Russia will expell the West from Ukraine and the West will collapse or fracture in the aftermath. Russia has the upper hand in all areas.
Also let's look at the typical Russian person or family: they own a communist apartment in the city and a dacha. Most do not have any mortgage unless they bought a new property. Natural gas is often free or low cost.
Typical American doesn't own even one property, not truly. If there's a mortgage then the bank owns it. Annual Property Tax will mean someone always is a serf to the government and must somehow pay taxes in Fiat Currency which has no true legitimacy because it's completely created by the people who control a society. People need alternatives and to be exempt from property tax on their home.
I am not a conservative because true traditionalists care about traditional values and ensuring the cultural traditions and good values survive. Traditional economics doesn't exist. The only reason why people want to be conservative about an economic system is because they want power or to become someone who dominates the economy far above the rest. People cannot build dynasties that accumulate unnecessary wealth and that's what my system would allow. Billionaires and CEOs don't deserve to live better lives than their workers. These people are living like tyrannical kings and people justifying it because it's capitalism is unintelligent. They had more financial credits so they paid workers to create them things then they were lucky enough to have it become dominant and because of barriers to any competition, it becomes largely a monopoly until other oligarchs create competition. Almost all things in modern economics is fluff. Almost all economic activity is fluff with all real traditional economics owned by profiteers and powerful land owners.
People will be able to become rich, and produce more if people demand their quality products, but they will mostly be able to use it to better their life and other life. People will invest their money into creating new achievements for all society and humanity, and be remembered. People can use excess money to build things like people in the Renaissance built Cathedrals or pay artists to create unique songs or invest in research or pay for people to become involved in fields. Only authoritarian governments with good leaders can create good systems. History have proven this over and over again. Republics might start okay but always become corrupt or dysfunctional. Any truly democratic system or with large amounts of involvement will fail. America is a dysfunctional nation in both economics and politics. You can't truly solve social problems just by trying to implement social policies, because if the economic system is unfair to most people or all power is to the profiteers, then people will be upset.
The free markets that America likes to talk about haven't been free markets for over one hundred or two hundred years. American Capitalism based on unlimited inequality, unlimited property ownership, corporate power and legal protections, fiat currency, and consumerism are is a terrible economic system. It's a system that will end because mathematically, if enough nations band together and create an alternate system of financial transactions and trade, then America will experience a collapse much worse than the Soviet Union and because people are starting from a level of extreme wealth inequality, it will not end well.
I want to live in a country where everyone can have a good life and anyone can become rich at some point in their lifetime, but no one becomes too rich and billionaires and corporations don't exist. My solution completely destroys all trace of Jewishness in economics. My system is for everyone. People will have a similar level of traditional socioeconomic inequality but everyone will be able to start as equals and then like video game characters, at least get to the point where they are really good with some near gear and choose their own custom path. It will give everyone fulfilling lives and the ability to live a good life if they work and because everyone is guaranteed work. My system is completely feasible and it would be completely functional. My system would be completely balanced. It would prevent people from having nothing and allow for a reasonable amount of unfairness based entirely on merit.
@MarcosZeitola What do you think?