Cornfed wrote:The very idea of women writing original computer code seems crazy given that they are all basket cases who think their own hysterical emotions define reality. When I've posed this question, manginas in the software industry will sometimes claim that women can do useful stuff but generally do so in evasive terms (like claiming the women are "involved" in software development) and can't come up with any specifics. Often the manginas can't even come up with any specifics about what software they themselves have produced, leading me to believe that the reason they regard women as their equals is that they are equally useless. Meanwhile you hear lots of stories of men showing clueless females how to use their e-mail and such only to have the females promoted over them into senior development positions.
My belief is that some women in the industry may be doing quasi-useful secretarial type work, but most female so-called developers are total frauds stealing money from the system, not unlike essentially all women claiming to do non-menial jobs. Can anyone with experience in the industry comment? Also, do most female developers even pretend to be able to do their job? If you asked them to, for example, write a program that takes in a string and writes it out in reverse without using an existing function, would the generally even be able to do that? My suspicion is that they wouldn't in most cases.
Peter, firstly: what's the point of telling Winston that you were leaving for good when your "superior trolling quality" alter ego is still around? Have you reached peaks of psychotic dissociation where your accounts start to post independently of your will?
Anyhoo, here's another one of your usual rants, going down the same tired pattern:
1) women are all nutcases and absolutely useless at [x]
2) all men who believe women to be somewhat useful at [x] are manginas and as useless as the women who can't do [x]
3) women who purport to be doing [x] are just a waste of money and the reason they occupy those roles is because of a rotting political/social/economical/judicial system. It's clearly a conspiracy.
So, let me understand. In your shiny international career as a BI and IT pro, at IBM or wherever else, you never stumbled upon a woman programmer? You never discussed specs, methodologies, never did or received a code review, you never had as little as a meeting, even a 5-min Scrum with a woman developer? Either you stopped working in the 80s when virtually everyone remotely involved in computers was a bearded geek with a penchant for sci-fi, or you do 99% of your work from home. Or perhaps you're left in your cubicle for too long. The latter not being surprising, knowing what an incredibly friendly and accommodating persona you come across as down here.
I personally know women who work as software engineer or any other satellite activity, like business analysis, project management down to UX design (not just web, but also a .NET toolkit called Microsoft Expression). I know women who work for Microsoft, IBM, Logica, Accenture, as well as any major investment bank and hedge fund I have worked at. They are from Britain and Ukraine, Poland and India, Spain and mainland China. I even met one (in Singapore) from Cebu, an ASP.NET developer and quite a cutie, if you ask me.
For the umpteenth time:
where's your statistical basis to ground your statement that women cannot write code, and even less so because their reality is defined by "their hysterical emotions"? Even if their behaviour is indeed subject to hormone swings, what has this got to do with their ability to write, test and deliver good code? And more in general, what has this got to do with their ability to do any job that was (or is) in a traditionally male-dominated industry? And if the industry is not enough, just walk through any computer science department of a reputable university: you will see at least a third of students being young, female and just as fine as researchers and/or practitioners as their male counterparts.
You know, what I will never discount on you and people like you is the caustic mix of ignorance and arrogance uses to substantiate racist and/or sexist claims that are only meant to soothe your pain, dignify your desperate isolation and justify your complete disconnect from the rest of society. You're no better than those doctors in 50s America who turned up to KKK meetings and wrote erudite papers on brain or skull morphology explaining why black people were intellectually inferior to whites. Then more and more of those black people worked hard enough to get out of poverty and started to get college degrees and PhDs and the same jobs as the whites, battling against prejudices and social handicaps of all sorts, performing just as fine. And by then those "experts" were either dead or couldn't be bothered to rectify.
OK so what about this...not the same kind of graphical impact as RW, a pioneering figure in history of computing nonetheless. Grace Hopper.