History of Lynchings in the South

[pandabear]

By the by, http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6957 ... rn-horrors

Between 1880 and 1930, close to 200 women were murdered by lynch mobs in the American South. Many more were tarred and feathered, burned, whipped, or raped.

It seems that Southerners weren't above a good raping, either.

[Jester]

If it were revolutionary justice, then wouldn't the slaves be raping the owner's wife?

You've made my point well. Even in areas where there were no able-bodies White men for several counties around, Black American slaves did NOT engage in Communist-style "class warfare", attacking innocent women. As usual, "revolutionary justice" was dealt out by self-appointed liberators, to the detriment of actual workers.

Given that raping a slave was never a crime,

Raping a slave was most certainly a crime. Do you think that an owner would tolerate someone messing with his people? No way,

Now if you are referring to affairs, seductions and coerced seductions, sure that took place, but not much.

Roman and Hebrew owners could hook up openly, but in most of the South it was taboo. When it did occur, the children were not legally acknowledged, but were brought into better work, often educated and freed.

And rape by owners was very rare. That would have destroyed the morale of a plantation which was a closed society on its own. Everyone knew everybody and everything.
The planter's Black kids came from affairs between employer and domestic servant, like Thomas Jefferson's children with his late wife's mixed-race half-sister, Sally Hemmings.

that the slaves had to be sexually available to whomever the owner designated, and that a female slave was expected to pop out a baby every year or two, to increase her owner's wealth

No.

Black population exploded in the South because the slaves were valuable and well-cared for. They had houses and lives of their own. Iy wasn't a Gulag. That;s YOUR friends that create gulags.

You don't get an explosion of population when you treat people too harshly. People find ways not to reproduce, pregnancies get aborted, babies die young, and so on. Like a gulag, like the Hebrews under the last Pharoah, like women in rural Armenia the last couple of decades, for that matter.

I'm guessing that, for the women involved, it was just another day.

You do a lot of guessing and supposing.

[Jester]

Lol Yeah you're quite the antisemite pandabear. You're on file over at the ADL.

+1

[Jester]

By the by, http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6957 ... rn-horrors

Between 1880 and 1930, close to 200 women were murdered by lynch mobs in the American South. Many more were tarred and feathered, burned, whipped, or raped.

It seems that Southerners weren't above a good raping, either.

Most lynchings did target an obviously guilty party.

And your link doesnt offer any specific cases.

But it's reasonable to assume that a mob executing a woman could take the opportunity to rape her as well.

I dont doubt that such could happen when a group of armed men have free reign.

Which is why we can all sleep better when the mobs, and the Yankees, stay home.

[pandabear]

You've made my point well. Even in areas where there were no able-bodies White men for several counties around, Black American slaves did NOT engage in Communist-style "class warfare", attacking innocent women. As usual, "revolutionary justice" was dealt out by self-appointed liberators, to the detriment of actual workers.

You've never heard of Nat Turner?

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-america ... ves-rebel/

There was also the successful slave revolt in Haiti. Particularly in parts of the South where they were outnumbered, the free White folks were always afraid of potential slave revolts.

Raping a slave was most certainly a crime. Do you think that an owner would tolerate someone messing with his people? No way,

No it wasn't.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/f ... count.html

A slave couldn't call the police, or take her owner to court, if her owner was raping and abusing her. Now, if I were to rape a neighbor's slave, and the neighbor objected, then he might beat me up or something, but the Law wouldn't have been involved.

Now if you are referring to affairs, seductions and coerced seductions, sure that took place, but not much.

"Coerced seduction?" What makes you think that this didn't happen much?

Roman and Hebrew owners could hook up openly, but in most of the South it was taboo. When it did occur, the children were not legally acknowledged, but were brought into better work, often educated and freed.

Strom Thurmond never publicly acknowledged his mulatto daughter, but he did support her and pay for her education.

An interesting report from the Census Bureau, based upon the 1850 Census: http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decennial/ ... 60a-02.pdf

In 1850, a little over 10% of the slaves were "Mulatto". I understand that sometimes the owner's children got to do housework rather than having to work in the fields. Many states had laws against educating slaves:

http://www.yale.edu/glc/archive/927.htm

On the other hand, some parts of the South (which had previously been French or Spanish colonies) had the Plaçage system:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pla%C3%A7age

And rape by owners was very rare. That would have destroyed the morale of a plantation which was a closed society on its own. Everyone knew everybody and everything.

What makes you think that rape was very rare? Because they didn't talk about it? If an owner was concerned about morale, then all that he had to do was take out his whip, and morale improved mighty fast.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?co ... 1126%29%29

...My mama's master whipped his slaves for pastime...My master was not so bad as some was to his slaves. I've had many a whippin', some I deserved, an' some I got for bein' blamed for doin' things the master's children did. My master whipped his slaves with a cat-o-nine tails. He'd say to me, 'you ain't had a curryin' down for some time. Come here!!!' Then he whipped me with the cat. The cat was made of nine strips of leather fastened onto the end of a whip. Lots of time when he hit me, the cat left nine strips of blood on my back.

The planter's Black kids came from affairs between employer and domestic servant, like Thomas Jefferson's children with his late wife's mixed-race half-sister, Sally Hemmings.

Affairs, and rapes.

Black population exploded in the South because the slaves were valuable and well-cared for. They had houses and lives of their own. Iy wasn't a Gulag. That;s YOUR friends that create gulags.

MY friends created gulags? I don't have any friends.

You don't get an explosion of population when you treat people too harshly. People find ways not to reproduce, pregnancies get aborted, babies die young, and so on. Like a gulag, like the Hebrews under the last Pharoah, like women in rural Armenia the last couple of decades, for that matter.

Regarding the Hebrews under the Pharoah:

..Then, a new king, who knew nothing about Joseph, came to power in Egypt. He said to his people, “These Israelites are so numerous and strong that they are a threat to us. In case of war they might join our enemies in order to fight against us, and might escape from the country. We must find some way to keep them from becoming even more numerous.” So the Egyptians put slave drivers over them to crush their spirits with hard labor. The Israelites built the cities of Pithom and Rameses to serve as supply centers for the king. But the more the Egyptians oppressed the Israelites, the more they increased in number and the farther they spread through the land. The Egyptians came to fear the Israelites and made their lives miserable by forcing them into cruel slavery. They made them work on their building projects and in their fields, and they had no pity on them.

Then the king of Egypt spoke to Shiphrah and Puah, the two midwives who helped the Hebrew women. “When you help the Hebrew women give birth,” he said to them, “kill the baby if it is a boy; but if it is a girl, let it live.” But the midwives were God-fearing and so did not obey the king; instead, they let the boys live. So the king sent for the midwives and asked them, “Why are you doing this? Why are you letting the boys live?”

They answered, “The Hebrew women are not like Egyptian women; they give birth easily, and their babies are born before either of us gets there.” Because the midwives were God-fearing, God was good to them and gave them families of their own. And the Israelites continued to increase and become strong. Finally the king issued a command to all his people: “Take every newborn Hebrew boy and throw him into the Nile, but let all the girls live.”...

Some American slaves may have retaliated by aborting their fetuses. However, after the end of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the only way to meet the demand for slaves--particularly in the Deep South (after the aboriginals had been evicted, and where slaves were needed for cotton farming)--was through domestic breeding.

Anyway, an interview with a former slave: http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cdm/r ... WP/id/2642

“She made me have a baby by one of dem mens on de plantation. De old devil! I gets mad every time I think about it . Den dey took de man to war. De baby died. Den I had to let dat old devil's baby suck dese same tiddies hanging right here. She was allus knocking me around. I worked in the house nursin'. . . They made my ma have babies all de time. She was sellin’ the boys and keepin’ the gals.”

Page 222 in this book: http://memory.loc.gov/mss/mesn/026/026.pdf

"Durin' slavery there were stockmen. They was weighed and tested. A man would rent the stockman and put him in a room with some young women he wanted to raise children from....Some of the slave owners rented these stockmen. They didn't let them work in the field and they kept them fed up good*

This may be why Black men dominate professional sports today--selective breeding during slavery.

You do a lot of guessing and supposing.

What can we do, other than guess and suppose? This is obviously a very touchy subject for you.

[pandabear]

Most lynchings did target an obviously guilty party.

You're sure that it wasn't primarily about terrorism?

Here is what another former slave had to say (page 346):

http://memory.loc.gov/mss/mesn/026/026.pdf

I hate my father. He was white. I never did have no use for him. I never seen him because Mama was jay-hawked from the place. I never heard my mother say much about him either, except that he was red-headed. He was my mother's master. My mother was just forced. I hate him.

[pandabear]

Right now, I have BOTH the ADL and the KKK picketing outside my window. I hope that they don't start looting and pillaging again.

Anyway...

By the by, http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6957 ... rors[quote]
Between 1880 and 1930, close to 200 women were murdered by lynch mobs in the American South. Many more were tarred and feathered, burned, whipped, or raped.

It seems that Southerners weren't above a good raping, either.

Most lynchings did target an obviously guilty party.
And your link doesnt offer any specific cases....[/quote]

Here are some specific cases:

https://henriettavintondavis.wordpress. ... n-america/

...Laura Nelson was lynched on May 23, 1911 In Okemah, Okluskee, Oklahoma. Her fifteen year old son was also lynched at the same time...Authorities accused her of killing a deputy sheriff who supposedly stumbled on some stolen goods in her house. Why they lynched her child is a mystery. The mob raped and dragged Nelson six miles to the Canadian River and hanged her from a bridge...

...March 31, 1914, a white mob of at least a dozen males, yanked seventeen year-old Marie Scott from jail, threw a rope over her head as she screamed and hanged her from a telephone pole in Wagoner County, Oklahoma. What happened? Two drunken white men barged Into her house as she was dressing. They locked themselves in her room and criminally “assaulted” her. Her brother apparently heard her screams for help, kicked down the door, killed one assailant and fled. Some accounts state that the assailant was stabbed. Frustrated by their inability to lynch Marie Scott’s brother the mob lynched Marie Scott...

...Mobs lynched Mary Turner on May 17, 1918 in Lowndes County. Georgia because she vowed to have those responsible for killing her husband arrested. Her husband was arrested in connection with the shooting and killing Hampton Smith, a white farmer for whom the couple had worked, and wounding his wife. Sidney Johnson. a Black, apparently killed Smith because he was tired of the farmer’s abuse. Unable to find Johnson. the killers lynched eight other Blacks Including Hayes Turner and his wife Mary. The mob hanged Mary by her feet, poured gasoline and oil on her and set fire to her body. One white man sliced her open and Mrs. Turner’s baby tumbled to the ground with a “little cry” and the mob stomped the baby to death and sprayed bullets into Mary Turner...

...Wednesday, December 8, 1915 Cordella Stevenson was hung from the limb of a tree without any clothing about fifty yards north of the Mobile and Ohio Railroad outside Columbus, Mississippi. The gruesomely horrific scene was witnessed by thousands and thousands of passengers who traveled in and out of the city the next morning. She was hung there by a bloodthirsty mob who had taken her from slumber, husband and home to the spot where she was raped and lynched. All this was done after she had been brought to the police station for questioning in connection with the arson of Gabe Frank’s barn. Her son had been suspected of the fire. The police released her after she convinced them her son had left home several months prior and she did not know his whereabouts...

[pandabear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOovhxexYoU

[pandabear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98CxkS0vzB8

[pandabear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF15w1PWBYI

[pandabear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV99sdqgIPo

[pandabear]

Lol Yeah you're quite the antisemite pandabear. You're on file over at the ADL.

+1

I was thinking about turning my anti-Semitism into a parody blog post, but looking at some of the other stuff out there:

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=537

The Jews were responsible for Theodore Roosevelt running for president as candidate of the Bull Moose party, thus causing Woodrow Wilson to be elected. And, the Jooz played President Wilson like a puppet, and made him enter World War I and start the Federal Reserve.

That stuff already reads like parody, but millions of nitwits take it seriously.

I don't know--a parody blaming the Jooz for the Civil War might end up being taken seriously, and I'll become a Tea Party hero.