Driving While White

[ladislav]

Much has been shown in the media about the unfair DWB phenomenon, i.e. "driving while black". Black motorists are disproportionately singled out, stopped and searched, and, then sometimes treated with brutality. The entire BLM movement had, in its large part, been based on the way the police treat African-American drivers in the USA.

Not much has been said about the "Driving While White" phenomenon which takes place in many developing, "non-Caucasian" countries. Once the police sees a white face behind the wheel, they disproportionately stop such drivers, search them, give them tickets for alleged violations, and then expect them to settle the matter right there and then. And while one is not likely to end up with a knee on his/her necks, he/she may soon to be relieved of cash or have the license confiscated.

The sister phenomenon of DWW is RWW, which is "Riding White White". This refers to being a white motorcycle rider as well as even being a white passenger in the back of a car. Once the cops see you, the engines rev up, the alarm goes off and the chase begins. The driver is stopped and a violation is presented.

The real charge though is: having someone RWW.

The outcome is often cash changing hands. In more extreme cases, one is taken to a police station where more serious accusations are presented and a larger settlement is expected.

Never happened to you yet? Good for you. DWB hasn't happened to everybody either. Hope you all stay blessed.

[MrMan]

It has happened to me. A policeman stopped me when I ran a ____yellow_____ light he was not looking at at the time. The other cars stopped. I felt like the soldier who stood still when the sergeant asked for a volunteer to step forward and all the other soldiers stepped backward.

I even got stopped IN THE BACK of a taxi in Jakarta. I spoke English the whole time. The officer said there was something missing on my permanent residency card. I saw in the morning, the stamp was there, but immigration had stamped it so lightly that it was not visible at night. He wanted me to go to the station with him. I just feigned ignorance of what he was saying until he waved me on. Then I asked the driver what he thought about what happened. He said he would not have gone with him either. People at work I told about it the next day said I could have ended up in a ditch. Such was the trust in the police at the time.

I don't like getting stopped for tickets in the US. It hasn't happened in a long time. But I'm not afraid of ending up in a ditch. I'm white, too, though. I suspect blacks who aren't angry and mouthy are much lower risk than those who get belligerent when they are stopped. If they get stopped a lot, I understand the frustration. Whites may be able to get away with being angry better than blacks in that situation, especially if the cop is white.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Much has been shown in the media about the unfair DWB phenomenon, i.e. "driving while black". Black motorists are disproportionately singled out, stopped and searched, and, then sometimes treated with brutality. The entire BLM movement had, in its large part, been based on the way the police treat African-American drivers in the USA.

True, and it is clear that DWB is just a leftist, agenda-advancing scheme.

Everybody gets stopped in the USA, especially if you are male of any color. The DWB scam is just a concerted effort to placate the black criminal class which has just progressed from stopping police brutality to outright defunding the police.

What is often lost here is the cultural encouragement to PROVOKE the police into overreaction or violence. We see that in most of the video footage and it is done to create lawsuits and public outcry to exploit.

Part of the Marxist agenda is to lionize and empower criminal blacks. It is never the law abiding, productive and honest blacks, only the ones who advance the Leftist agenda. I would say the vast majority of police brutality cases are precipitated by the victims of it. It is rare for anyone, black or otherwise, to be mistreated, brutalized or killed by police when they are pleasant, courteous, and compliant.

DWB and BLM are destabilization causes that, sadly, most people are falling for hook, line, and sinker.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

I suspect blacks who aren't angry and mouthy are much lower risk than those who get belligerent when they are stopped. If they get stopped a lot, I understand the frustration. Whites may be able to get away with being angry better than blacks in that situation, especially if the cop is white.

This! But it the provocations are intentional, a form of theraputic alienation (or defiance) if you will for the "greater cause."
This is a common example and I get the sense that the guy is trying to impress his wife who is goading him on in the defiance. Yes, black women often encourage their husbands to risk their lives to make a stupid social point.

[MrMan]

I suspect blacks who aren't angry and mouthy are much lower risk than those who get belligerent when they are stopped. If they get stopped a lot, I understand the frustration. Whites may be able to get away with being angry better than blacks in that situation, especially if the cop is white.

This! But it the provocations are intentional, a form of theraputic alienation (or defiance) if you will for the "greater cause."
This is a common example and I get the sense that the guy is trying to impress his wife who is goading him on in the defiance. Yes, black women often encourage their husbands to risk their lives to make a stupid social point.

Did you ever do traffic stops like this? Did you find a lot of black people argued with you about this sort of thing? If someone refused to show you their license, were you more inclined to arrest them?

They didn't show the first part of the video, but my guess is if he'd been cooperative, he would have gotten a ticket and it would have been over with.

The woman definitely wasn't happen yelling her comments, keeping the man from communicating from the officer. The officer asked for his license. If he'd complied, maybe the situation could have deescalated a bit. She started yelling and distracted him from complying. Telling the man to 'get on the ground' seems like a foolish instruction. That's basically asking him to get beaten up. In your training, was there an option to ask him to put his hands behind his back. Of course, he could have asked him to do that before the video started.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

I suspect blacks who aren't angry and mouthy are much lower risk than those who get belligerent when they are stopped. If they get stopped a lot, I understand the frustration. Whites may be able to get away with being angry better than blacks in that situation, especially if the cop is white.

This! But it the provocations are intentional, a form of theraputic alienation (or defiance) if you will for the "greater cause."
This is a common example and I get the sense that the guy is trying to impress his wife who is goading him on in the defiance. Yes, black women often encourage their husbands to risk their lives to make a stupid social point.

Did you ever do traffic stops like this? Did you find a lot of black people argued with you about this sort of thing? If someone refused to show you their license, were you more inclined to arrest them?

They didn't show the first part of the video, but my guess is if he'd been cooperative, he would have gotten a ticket and it would have been over with.

The woman definitely wasn't happen yelling her comments, keeping the man from communicating from the officer. The officer asked for his license. If he'd complied, maybe the situation could have deescalated a bit. She started yelling and distracted him from complying. Telling the man to 'get on the ground' seems like a foolish instruction. That's basically asking him to get beaten up. In your training, was there an option to ask him to put his hands behind his back. Of course, he could have asked him to do that before the video started.

No I was in federal law enforcement. Vehicle stops the stuff of local and state law enforcement. I can tell you that in arresting a few fellow black offenders, they actually uttered, "You're doing this because I am black." That was my clue that these campaigns are fake and appeals for leniency for criminals.

The overall vast majority of offenders were calm, considerate, and compliant. Offenders who behave like this are either:

On some stimulant of a narcotic.
Under the influence of alcohol.
Emotionally disturbed.
Or trying to get you to back off because they have something criminal to hide.

That final category was the most common. Once I arrested two black men on a fraud case who tried this type of guilt appeal and I because suspicious. I searched their car and found two illegal firearms with illegally removed serial numbers. I then searched their hotel room and found about 100K in cash. The FBI called me soon thereafter and told me they were looking for them for months.
The two were Muslim radicals from NY on a bank robbery spree up and down the east coast!

So this guy's behavior is very suspect and I would get a narcotics dog to sniff him and his car and get a consent search for the car as well. He's hiding something or he just wants to be brutalized to win a lawsuit to be awarded money.

[hypermak]

No I was in federal law enforcement. Vehicle stops the stuff of local and state law enforcement. I can tell you that in arresting a few fellow black offenders, they actually uttered, "You're doing this because I am black." That was my clue that these campaigns are fake and appeals for leniency for criminals.

The overall vast majority of offenders were calm, considerate, and compliant. Offenders who behave like this are either:

On some stimulant of a narcotic.
Under the influence of alcohol.
Emotionally disturbed.
Or trying to get you to back off because they have something criminal to hide.

That final category was the most common. Once I arrested two black men on a fraud case who tried this type of guilt appeal and I because suspicious. I searched their car and found two illegal firearms with illegally removed serial numbers. I then searched their hotel room and found about 100K in cash. The FBI called me soon thereafter and told me they were looking for them for months.
The two were Muslim radicals from NY on a bank robbery spree up and down the east coast!

So this guy's behavior is very suspect and I would get a narcotics dog to sniff him and his car and get a consent search for the car as well. He's hiding something or he just wants to be brutalized to win a lawsuit to be awarded money.

And the mentally ill trolling continues.....

[MrMan]

No I was in federal law enforcement. Vehicle stops the stuff of local and state law enforcement. I can tell you that in arresting a few fellow black offenders, they actually uttered, "You're doing this because I am black." That was my clue that these campaigns are fake and appeals for leniency for criminals.

The overall vast majority of offenders were calm, considerate, and compliant. Offenders who behave like this are either:

On some stimulant of a narcotic.
Under the influence of alcohol.
Emotionally disturbed.
Or trying to get you to back off because they have something criminal to hide.

That final category was the most common. Once I arrested two black men on a fraud case who tried this type of guilt appeal and I because suspicious. I searched their car and found two illegal firearms with illegally removed serial numbers. I then searched their hotel room and found about 100K in cash. The FBI called me soon thereafter and told me they were looking for them for months.
The two were Muslim radicals from NY on a bank robbery spree up and down the east coast!

So this guy's behavior is very suspect and I would get a narcotics dog to sniff him and his car and get a consent search for the car as well. He's hiding something or he just wants to be brutalized to win a lawsuit to be awarded money.

And the mentally ill trolling continues.....

CE trolls quite a bit, but I don't think this is an example of trolling.

[hypermak]

CE trolls quite a bit, but I don't think this is an example of trolling.

I was simply doing what he has been doing: replying to my legit replies to his posts, or threads he contributes to, with the one-liner above.

I appreciate the situation is a bit out of control... By the way, thanks for putting some extra measure of common sense in this insanity.

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