What is ethnicity and how location influences it

[ladislav]

Ethnicity is usually a combination of one´s physical appearance, name, ancestry, as well as language/accent, culture and religion. Not all must be present, but the most obvious for the person to be identified as being of a certain ethnicity by others in a particular location and within a particular culture-and then put into a category.

Some people expect you to self identify. But this self identification has to match what others call you. You cannot call yourself something if you are not seen as such by others.

Thus, it is different from citizenship which is just belonging to a political nation state. It may also be different from race which in many places is seen as belonging to some broader categories based on visible differences in physical appearance.

All these concepts are rather fluid and are based on the location, the culture that identifies you, and the language in which you are identified. It also depends on the ethnic categories present in that location which formed according to the local understanding of such things.

There is no clear line between race and ethnicity and even between those and citizenship, again, depending on the location in which people are labeled.

Let us study some examples:

The US has the Hispanic ethnicity, and a person is Hispanic if they have ancestry in Spain or its colonies. It is both official and non official and exists whether the person speaks Spanish or not, regardless of that person´s culture. The last name is also important also to be seen as one socially as well as one´s physical appearance. A brown skinned James Lopez is Hispanic but a Filipino named Richard Perez is not. An Argenitian named Jose Smith is also not seen as Hispanic by most people in the USA.

However, such ethnicity does not exist anywhere in Latin America and many other places, either formally or informally. The word exists in Spánish but it just shows the culture and language of a person or a country. So, by leaving the US, a Texan named Joe Gomez stops being Hispanic. They may be called that way by L. Americans but only casually, and if they speak Spanish. If they don´t, well, then not.

Also, in Japan, the word ´´Japanese´´ implies both race and citizenship. An American would say that the Japanese are Asian by race, but the Japanese will disagree. They will say that they are Japanese by race. The word ethnicity is vague in Japan and does not mean much. A Korean would also be a race in Japan and not an ethnicity. The words ¨minshu¨ and ¨minzoku´´ in Japan can be translated as race or ethnicity or a people depending on the context.

Gypsies are an ethnicity in ex Soviet countries, but are not such in the USA.

Now, imagine, there are 196 countries, 80 percent of which do not speak English and will not even understand what I am writing here. They will classify humans based on their own categories and with their own labels in their own languages. They may or may not have the concept of ethnicity and it may or may not be different from race or citizenship— or the words for these may overlap.

In short, this all depends on where you are and who is observing and labeling you in that culture. It also depends on in what language they are labeling you and the concepts which exist in it.

[PocosonSnaffle]

Can tell you that apes in SEA can't feel themselves as soon as they have some east asian / white blood into them. These races are so ridiculous, they have absolutely no skill except having some easy cheap p***y. They aren't even able to make good food so they have to import brands from the west and east asia. They litterally are a worthless race except for tourism.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

Oh sh*t welcome back David K. @ladislav
Thank you for surviving the pandemic. Thank you, too @Yohan

P.S.: I agree with your ethnicity post. You, @zboy1, ContrarianExpatriate, and I nailed the race thing down before new jacks @Pixel--Dude , @Lucas88 , @WanderingProtagonist , @kangarunner , and @WilliamSmith came along.

[fschmidt]

I am reluctant to post to this moronic godforsaken site, but...

Some people expect you to self identify. But this self identification has to match what others call you. You cannot call yourself something if you are not seen as such by others.

Actually which others matters. It is others within the ethnicity that really matter. If you identify as ethnicity X and most people in ethnicity X identify you as ethnicity X, then you are ethnicity X. Yes this is usually based on shared attributes, but the details actually don't matter.

There is no clear line between race and ethnicity and even between those and citizenship, again, depending on the location in which people are labeled.

There are very clear lines between these 3 distinct concepts. Race is a genetic classification. Citizenship is a legal classification. Neither are ethnicity.

The US has the Hispanic ethnicity, and a person is Hispanic if they have ancestry in Spain or its colonies. It is both official and non official and exists whether the person speaks Spanish or not, regardless of that person´s culture. The last name is also important also to be seen as one socially as well as one´s physical appearance. A brown skinned James Lopez is Hispanic but a Filipino named Richard Perez is not. An Argenitian named Jose Smith is also not seen as Hispanic by most people in the USA.

However, such ethnicity does not exist anywhere in Latin America and many other places, either formally or informally. The word exists in Spánish but it just shows the culture and language of a person or a country. So, by leaving the US, a Texan named Joe Gomez stops being Hispanic. They may be called that way by L. Americans but only casually, and if they speak Spanish. If they don´t, well, then not.

What is the point? In some places an ethnic identity is recognized, and in others it isn't. That just supports my definition.

Also, in Japan, the word ´´Japanese´´ implies both race and citizenship. An American would say that the Japanese are Asian by race, but the Japanese will disagree. They will say that they are Japanese by race. The word ethnicity is vague in Japan and does not mean much. A Korean would also be a race in Japan and not an ethnicity. The words ¨minshu¨ and ¨minzoku´´ in Japan can be translated as race or ethnicity or a people depending on the context.

Yes, sometimes the same word is used to identify ethnicity, race, and citizenship. This changes nothing. Obviously Japanese race and Japanese citizenship are independent. In the case of Japanese ethnicity, a membership requirement is being racially Japanese, so in this case they are related. Each ethnicity chooses its own membership requirements which can be racial or citizenship or anything else they choose.

Now, imagine, there are 196 countries, 80 percent of which do not speak English and will not even understand what I am writing here. They will classify humans based on their own categories and with their own labels in their own languages. They may or may not have the concept of ethnicity and it may or may not be different from race or citizenship— or the words for these may overlap.

Once again, it only matters whether members of an ethnicity classify you as one of them. Outsiders don't really matter.

[Yohan]

Also, in Japan, the word ´´Japanese´´ implies both race and citizenship. An American would say that the Japanese are Asian by race, but the Japanese will disagree. They will say that they are Japanese by race. The word ethnicity is vague in Japan and does not mean much. A Korean would also be a race in Japan and not an ethnicity. The words ¨minshu¨ and ¨minzoku´´ in Japan can be translated as race or ethnicity or a people depending on the context.

No idea from where you get this.
Never heard from a Korean in Japan to refer to them as a 'race'

In Japan the term
在日韓国朝鮮人 (Koreans living in Japan) is frequently used.
Koreans refer to themselves, also in Korea and not only in Japan as 민족 = minjok (民族 minzoku in Japanese) and not as INJONG= race (JINSHU)

In Korean you could say 황색인종 hwangsaeg-injong = yellow race / 한국 민족 hankuk minjok = korean ethnicity

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About citizenship, everybody can apply for Japanese citizenship, it has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.
Most foreigners however living in Japan prefer to apply for permanent residence status and keep their own citizenship, like myself too.

If you use Japanese words, (same with Korean and Chinese) it would be good to include the Japanese writing too to avoid misunderstandings.
Generally in Japanese the following words are in use and fully understandable in spoken Japanese

MINSHU = 民主　democratic
民主党　democratic party
民主党員 member of the democratic party
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MINZOKU = 民族
(kazoku 家族 for example means 'family')
日本民族 ethnic Japanese
ラテン民族 Latino
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JINSHU = 人種
means race for example

黄色人種 yellow race
白色人種 white race
黒色人種 black race

人種差別 race discrimination

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I had to look up in an academic texts what MINSHU 民種 (different writing) could mean related to ethnicity/race (in written form only)
not a word in general use in Japan, see text below.

民種改善学の実際価値
https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001474/f ... 64946.html

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SHUMIN 種民 (just reverse the characters) is also used rarely, in religious texts it seems. (from China, Taoism)
found this word only in a special dictionary.
https://www.weblio.jp/content/種民

[WanderingProtagonist]

Can tell you that apes in SEA can't feel themselves as soon as they have some east asian / white blood into them. These races are so ridiculous, they have absolutely no skill except having some easy cheap p***y. They aren't even able to make good food so they have to import brands from the west and east asia. They litterally are a worthless race except for tourism.

I was going to say something longer to this, but had a change of heart. going to just lay my ass down instead.

[kangarunner]

@WanderingProtagonist There ya go

[WanderingProtagonist]

Can tell you that apes in SEA can't feel themselves as soon as they have some east asian / white blood into them. These races are so ridiculous, they have absolutely no skill except having some easy cheap p***y. They aren't even able to make good food so they have to import brands from the west and east asia. They litterally are a worthless race except for tourism.

If you are referring to blacks when you say apes, I can say the same about all the white men who flock to Asia. They aint shit either. They failed horribly bad with their own women they gave to blacks by being cucks, gave them a ton of rights, and let white male kids be groomed into becoming girls/transgenders. Since they have no power or any authority in their own nations that have been taken over and the people taught self hatred so they apes as you call them can take over and be ruled over later. The few whites with the money figured they'll just flock to Asia where they believe all the women by default are submissive since it's too late to convert white women back to being submissive like they use to be before feminism and women's rights movements came along and had full-blown support from white men in authority positions that were afraid of being labeled bigots or sexist. Now those same women they gave rights to make videos on youtube bashing them for not being "man enough." And it's these same white women wanting more and more invaders to move in and take over.

If these white men had any authority over Asia, they would do the same shit to Asia as they did with Europe and America but countries like Japan are already vulnerable and weak, they follow and do what the West does just at a slower pace. Japan is already ruled by men that act like cucks and they even allow the same racial pornographic propaganda porn to exist there involving Japanese women acting as if they love the big black D the same tool used against to white men in the West, the fact that anybody can move there proves they aren't really a sovereign country nor do they even care.

China is more of a sovereign country than Japan is, because Japanese people don't seem to take that shit seriously anymore which means in a few years they'll either die out from an aging population or get replaced by a bunch of white failures (unless the Muslims get there first) that sucked at ruling their own damn nations because they were too busy getting off to BLACKED porn and fighting wars for Jews. Europe use to be one beautiful place but look at it today because of white men and their ignorance to do anything to protect what belongs to them. The thing is Asia is already a weaken part of the world. But it's also already obvious which white men to keep the hell out of your nation, and it's the ones who don't care about sovereignty because they done f***ed up their own countries that way, not caring or giving a shit so they take the same attitude abroad where it's like "You Asians need to be more like us white idiots, give up your nation, give up your women, cuck out to other racial groups, act inferior, love everybody, treat everyone as your equal, f**k who you wanna f**k, and let more people come in just because it'll make you less racist."

Once I lived abroad, I saw America for how it truly it is. A fish swimming in the current doesn't know the water it's swimming in.

I WILL NEVER RETURN TO WHITE AMERICAN CULTURE.

I WILL NEVER RETURN TO WHITE AMERICAN CULTURE.

I WILL NEVER RETURN TO WHITE AMERICAN CULTURE.

Meh I tried to delete my post before anybody responded to it since I was going to try and trim it down some but oh well. White American culture didn't get how it did overnight... The weak whites had a hand in bringing down their own culture. It all started with the "I don't care" types. Or the ones who refuse to protect or defend their culture because they are so concerned about stupid labels. I don't even care about labels. I can easily look and see how they ruined their own nations, but then these same people will flock abroad and attempt the same nonsense that ruined their own country. I use to want to visit Europe because I was attracted to the European art and paintings...But going there today? I might as well just stay here in the States. I respect sovereignty because nations have a right to keep their nation how it is. If someone doesn't want to improve a lot of people from elsewhere to mix in with their own population, so be it. Even me being partially mixed I'd never try to guilt trip a nation of people into being tolerant of me. I can just as easily move up in the mountain and not even be anywhere near the population of people. It wouldn't bother me since I don't like large crowds of people around me anyway.

[kangarunner]

Even though I'm white, I don't get along with white american culture. I never have and I never will. I went to SE Asia and just clicked with the relaxed, take it easy culture when I got there. White culture is judgmental and too formal. About 3 years ago, I was in Bali on Kuta beach and took surf lessons from local Balinese guys. These guys had the greatest life ever in my opinion. They got to sit out on the beach every single day, smoke weed, and give tourists surfing lessons. These guys didn't have a care in the world, completely free....from the stresses that most Western people have. I wish I could trade places with them.

[Yohan]

Even though I'm white, I don't get along with white american culture. I never have and I never will. I went to SE Asia and just clicked with the relaxed, take it easy culture when I got there. White culture is judgmental and too formal.

I cannot say it better, I am a white straight male from Central Europe and I am just replacing your 'white American culture' with 'white European culture'...

I left Europe more than 40 years ago, to Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines and some other SE/FE Asian countries, and finally settled down in Japan, I never came back to Europe.