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MrMan wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 11:42 am
Apparently, a lot of women who are raped climax while being raped and feel confused or guilty about it.
I have never heard of women having orgasms while being raped. I'm not a researcher and never came across this, but it sounds very controversial to me.

Brutal sex with a stranger they somehow consent to, that's something completely different.


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hypermak wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 6:06 pm
MrMan wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 11:42 am
Apparently, a lot of women who are raped climax while being raped and feel confused or guilty about it.
I have never heard of women having orgasms while being raped.
Oh if you never heard of something, CLEARLY it does not really exist right?

Your level of narcissism is needs intervention and fast. But don't get help too quickly, I'm enjoying you repeatedly make an undeniable DUMBWIT out of yourself.

Have you cleaned off those tables yet for the lunch rush? If so, get back to chopping up the salads, and get a goddamn mask on your face while you're at it!
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 7:26 pm
hypermak wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 6:06 pm
MrMan wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 11:42 am
Apparently, a lot of women who are raped climax while being raped and feel confused or guilty about it.
I have never heard of women having orgasms while being raped.
Oh if you never heard of something, CLEARLY it does not really exist right?

Your level of narcissism is needs intervention and fast. But don't get help too quickly, I'm enjoying you repeatedly make an undeniable DUMBWIT out of yourself.

Have you cleaned off those tables yet for the lunch rush? If so, get back to chopping up the salads, and get a goddamn mask on your face while you're at it!
In your case, because something exists in your mind, it CLEARLY exists!! :D :D

Look dude, it's you who are making a fool of yourself. Let's agree that the "pleasure" is mutual.

Why don't you experiment that yourself? Go back to one of your Ukranian girls and have sex with her without any money involved, without her consenting and in the most brutal way possible. Then let's see if her orgasm is strong enough that she won't call the police and have your peanut brain rot in a Soviet cell for years to come.
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hypermak wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 9:27 pm
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 7:26 pm
hypermak wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 6:06 pm
MrMan wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 11:42 am
Apparently, a lot of women who are raped climax while being raped and feel confused or guilty about it.
I have never heard of women having orgasms while being raped.
Oh if you never heard of something, CLEARLY it does not really exist right?

Your level of narcissism is needs intervention and fast. But don't get help too quickly, I'm enjoying you repeatedly make an undeniable DUMBWIT out of yourself.

Have you cleaned off those tables yet for the lunch rush? If so, get back to chopping up the salads, and get a goddamn mask on your face while you're at it!
In your case, because something exists in your mind, it CLEARLY exists!! :D :D

Look dude, it's you who are making a fool of yourself. Let's agree that the "pleasure" is mutual.

Why don't you experiment that yourself? Go back to one of your Ukranian girls and have sex with her without any money involved, without her consenting and in the most brutal way possible. Then let's see if her orgasm is strong enough that she won't call the police and have your peanut brain rot in a Soviet cell for years to come.
This coming from the Italian cook who failed with European women so badly that he chose 3rd world Asian women to pick as low hanging fruit. :lol:

There's no wonder you have a hard time believing I do quite well with girls in Ukraine. YOU KNOW YOU'D FAIL WITH THE WOMEN THERE! :lol:
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 9:56 pm
This coming from the Italian cook who failed with European women so badly that he chose 3rd world Asian women to pick as low hanging fruit. :lol:

There's no wonder you have a hard time believing I do quite well with girls in Ukraine. YOU KNOW YOU'D FAIL WITH THE WOMEN THERE! :lol:
What are you even talking about? I had girls in Italy as I had them in the UK, Malta and here. Here in the Philippines the abundance of easy sex is legendary, we all know that. What's wrong with combining some work experience with a relaxed lifestyle of sex with beautiful Asian girls? At least I don't have to pay for them, like you do (and brag about).

Do you wanna know why I have a hard time believing that you do quite well in Ukraine? Because 99% of your posts are all about your achievements, your success, all the bragging. Someone who is really successful with the women wouldn't even have the time to write about it.

You seem to be just another product of this "success at all costs so I can show it off" that many Americans are victim of.

When I posted about the fakery of the self-help industry you got all triggered. That tells me you are one of those men who believes that, just by talking about it, you can "be" it. It might work with your fellow Americans but it doesn't really stick in many other parts of the world.
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hypermak wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 10:11 pm
What are you even talking about? I had girls in Italy as I had them in the UK, Malta and here.
Not even close.... If a lowly kitchen worker like you did well with European women, you would not have been so desperate to move on to Filipina sex.

And the Philippines is a known sex tourist destination so a short, low-tier Italian guy like you is SURELY buying prostitutes. I know that because you are so quick to accuse me of that.

You're a typical Western sex tourist. You just got started 2 decades early because you needed to do so.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 10:39 pm
hypermak wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 10:11 pm
What are you even talking about? I had girls in Italy as I had them in the UK, Malta and here.
Not even close.... If a lowly kitchen worker like you did well with European women, you would not have been so desperate to move on to Filipina sex.

And the Philippines is a known sex tourist destination so a short, low-tier Italian guy like you is SURELY buying prostitutes. I know that because you are so quick to accuse me of that.

You're a typical Western sex tourist. You just got started 2 decades early because you needed to do so.
Yeah sure, if it makes you feel better. You didn't even get the height right LOL I am 1.82m. :D :D

Of the 2 of us, who is the one who moved abroad for business? You or me?

You think the Philippines are a known sex tourist destination, yet I am working here and you are the one who travels to Ukraine to get a better bang for his government-sponsored buck. You are the definition of a sex tourist, no matter how much "gf allowance" lipstick you want to put on this particular pig.

Don't you see how pathetic this is? You continue to accuse me of the very things you do, all the time. And even if I really was here just for the sex: 1) I have never paid for it and probably never will and 2) I am certainly not bragging about it all the time. You really ride your delusions like a child on a flashy merry-go-round. Be merry, at least until it stops and you have to get off.

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hypermak wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 3:32 am


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hypermak wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 3:32 am
You didn't even get the height right LOL I am 1.82m. :D :D
Don't tell me that you're proud of being only 1.82m (about 5'9" for most Americans)! If you're only 1.82m, you're a little manlet compared to me. Maybe it's not just your horrible personality that gives you so much trouble with girls. Clearly your relatively short stature just compounds the problem. By the way, go back and check my previous posts on the issue of my height. I'm 1.95m :lol: So I can add Short Man Syndrome to your growing list of mental issues now!
hypermak wrote: Of the 2 of us, who is the one who moved abroad for business? You or me?
You don't even OWN any businesses abroad; I personally own several business entities abroad mind you. Second, you are lying because you moved abroad to be a common laborer. You don't own the Conrad Hotel in Pasay. You just do the dirty kitchen work that helps ENRICH the owners. Time to get a grip on reality you potato peeler!
hypermak wrote: You think the Philippines are a known sex tourist destination, yet I am working here and you are the one who travels to Ukraine to get a better bang for his government-sponsored buck.
This from the dumbwit who bragged on previous threads how he was going thru desperate Filipino girls on his off-time. Face it, your the sex tourist and you know it. If you keep it up, I'll post your sex tourist exploits!
hypermak wrote: Don't you see how pathetic this is? You continue to accuse me of the very things you do, all the time. And even if I really was here just for the sex: 1) I have never paid for it and probably never will and 2) I am certainly not bragging about it all the time. You really ride your delusions like a child on a flashy merry-go-round. Be merry, at least until it stops and you have to get off.
What is pathetic is your repeated OBSESSION with the money I make, how I generate it and the sex I have, and how I have it. Seems to me that if you were so secure and happy with your pittance of a hotel cook's salary, you would not be so moved to envy my 6 figure salary just for investing in business. It also stands to reason that you absolutely HATE the fact that I do far better than you ever could with women a decade younger than you. Trying to brand it as prostitution or paying for sex is dead on arrival. Your just irritated that my lifestyle is beyond your reach now and always.

How does it make you feel that a guy 15 to 20 years older than you has a more satisfying and loving romantic life than you ever will? That's what your demented and obsessive trolling this is all about in the end. :mrgreen:

Some men will just have it far better than you in terms of women and wealth. Get over it.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:15 am
Don't tell me that you're proud of being only 1.82m (about 5'9" for most Americans)! If you're only 1.82m, you're a little manlet compared to me. Maybe it's not just your horrible personality that gives you so much trouble with girls. Clearly your relatively short stature just compounds the problem. By the way, go back and check my previous posts on the issue of my height. I'm 1.95m :lol: So I can add Short Man Syndrome to your growing list of mental issues now!
Nobody ever considered me short, at 1.82 dude because I am not. :D Don't make shit up. You're 1.95m and a basically a fat wardrobe of lard. This is what you get when you gorge on fast food and steroid-laden cheap meat. You won't admit it but that's one of the many reasons why you have to travel 10,000 Km just to pay to have sex.
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:15 am
You don't even OWN any businesses abroad; I personally own several business entities abroad mind you. Second, you are lying because you moved abroad to be a common laborer. You don't own the Conrad Hotel in Pasay. You just do the dirty kitchen work that helps ENRICH the owners. Time to get a grip on reality you potato peeler!
Yes, in my mind I own the Conrad, Okada, and 50% of City of Dreams. And I almost forgot, that 16-bedroom penthouse with a view on Central Park. Even a literal kitchen cleaning job beats random online bragging. I suggest you move your braggadocio to 4chan if you want to have a better chance to be believed and get those 19-yo incels all wowing. This place is already scorched earth for your senile fantasies.
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June 30th, 2020, 11:15 am
This from the dumbwit who bragged on previous threads how he was going thru desperate Filipino girls on his off-time. Face it, your the sex tourist and you know it. If you keep it up, I'll post your sex tourist exploits!
I said maybe a couple of time on my first two posts, when I was introducing myself. The girls I have been with are far from desperate, they all have a job and standards, which means they would never even come close to an arrogant giant tub of lard like you. I don't lure young girls without a job with the promise of money, as you do.
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June 30th, 2020, 11:15 am
What is pathetic is your repeated OBSESSION with the money I make, how I generate it and the sex I have, and how I have it. Seems to me that if you were so secure and happy with your pittance of a hotel cook's salary, you would not be so moved to envy my 6 figure salary just for investing in business. It also stands to reason that you absolutely HATE the fact that I do far better than you ever could with women a decade younger than you. Trying to brand it as prostitution or paying for sex is dead on arrival. Your just irritated that my lifestyle is beyond your reach now and always.

How does it make you feel that a guy 15 to 20 years older than you has a more satisfying and loving romantic life than you ever will? That's what your demented and obsessive trolling this is all about in the end. :mrgreen:

Some men will just have it far better than you in terms of women and wealth. Get over it.
What kind of fake guru gave you the "advice" of accusing other people of what you do and are? It's s*it advice. You are obsessed with the money you make, that is, the money the US government gives you for 25 years of glorious paper-pushing. You are obsessed with the "sex" you have and you make sure we know how wealthy and successful and confident you are, at every new post. You are the definition of a sex tourist and allegedly pay girls less than half your age to sleep with your collection of lard folds.

So do you "own" a business, do you "invest" in a business, are you a "businessman"? Do you really know what it takes to start a business from the ground up and make it successful? You're so self-assured that you don't even bother making your fantasies believable.

I am tired of repeating it, nobody on this forum buys your high life fairy tales. I am just the only one who is explicitly calling you on your BS and this makes you mad to no end. I just have to reply to one of your posts, or a post you contributed to, and the deluge of insults start. The posts are all there, go back and see the sh*tshow you are, old man.

Your lifestyle is your business, I personally will try all I can to avoid becoming a bitter, frustrated little man like you when I hit my 50s. How do I feel that a 50-something has to resort to making up a life he doesn't own to look good online, on an anonymous forum? I find it beyond pathetic. I would find it funny and understandable from a 14-yo. From an alleged "man", well...
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hypermak wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 5:51 pm
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:15 am
Don't tell me that you're proud of being only 1.82m (about 5'9" for most Americans)! If you're only 1.82m, you're a little manlet compared to me. Maybe it's not just your horrible personality that gives you so much trouble with girls. Clearly your relatively short stature just compounds the problem. By the way, go back and check my previous posts on the issue of my height. I'm 1.95m :lol: So I can add Short Man Syndrome to your growing list of mental issues now!
Nobody ever considered me short, at 1.82 dude because I am not. :D Don't make shit up. You're 1.95m and a basically a fat wardrobe of lard. This is what you get when you gorge on fast food and steroid-laden cheap meat. You won't admit it but that's one of the many reasons why you have to travel 10,000 Km just to pay to have sex.
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:15 am
You don't even OWN any businesses abroad; I personally own several business entities abroad mind you. Second, you are lying because you moved abroad to be a common laborer. You don't own the Conrad Hotel in Pasay. You just do the dirty kitchen work that helps ENRICH the owners. Time to get a grip on reality you potato peeler!
Yes, in my mind I own the Conrad, Okada, and 50% of City of Dreams. And I almost forgot, that 16-bedroom penthouse with a view on Central Park. Even a literal kitchen cleaning job beats random online bragging. I suggest you move your braggadocio to 4chan if you want to have a better chance to be believed and get those 19-yo incels all wowing. This place is already scorched earth for your senile fantasies.
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:15 am
This from the dumbwit who bragged on previous threads how he was going thru desperate Filipino girls on his off-time. Face it, your the sex tourist and you know it. If you keep it up, I'll post your sex tourist exploits!
I said maybe a couple of time on my first two posts, when I was introducing myself. The girls I have been with are far from desperate, they all have a job and standards, which means they would never even come close to an arrogant giant tub of lard like you. I don't lure young girls without a job with the promise of money, as you do.
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:15 am
What is pathetic is your repeated OBSESSION with the money I make, how I generate it and the sex I have, and how I have it. Seems to me that if you were so secure and happy with your pittance of a hotel cook's salary, you would not be so moved to envy my 6 figure salary just for investing in business. It also stands to reason that you absolutely HATE the fact that I do far better than you ever could with women a decade younger than you. Trying to brand it as prostitution or paying for sex is dead on arrival. Your just irritated that my lifestyle is beyond your reach now and always.

How does it make you feel that a guy 15 to 20 years older than you has a more satisfying and loving romantic life than you ever will? That's what your demented and obsessive trolling this is all about in the end. :mrgreen:

Some men will just have it far better than you in terms of women and wealth. Get over it.
What kind of fake guru gave you the "advice" of accusing other people of what you do and are? It's s*it advice. You are obsessed with the money you make, that is, the money the US government gives you for 25 years of glorious paper-pushing. You are obsessed with the "sex" you have and you make sure we know how wealthy and successful and confident you are, at every new post. You are the definition of a sex tourist and allegedly pay girls less than half your age to sleep with your collection of lard folds.

So do you "own" a business, do you "invest" in a business, are you a "businessman"? Do you really know what it means to start a business from the ground up and make it successful? You're so self-assured that you don't even bother making your fantasies believable.

I am tired of repeating it, nobody on this forum buys your high life fairy tales. I am just the only one who is explicitly calling you on your BS and this makes you mad to no end. I just have to reply to one of your posts, or a post you contributed to, and the deluge of insults start. The posts are all there, go back and see the sh*tshow you are, old man.

Your lifestyle is your business, I personally will try all I can to avoid becoming a bitter, frustrated little man like you when I hit my 50s. How do I feel that a 50-something has to resort to making up a life he doesn't own to look good online, on an anonymous forum? I find it beyond pathetic. I would find it funny and understandable from a 14-yo. From an alleged "man", well...
Somebody's still bitter about where he is in life. But I guess I would be too if I had to lie about being a chef when I'm actually a mere set of extra hands that chops, scrubs, and cleans in a hotel kitchen for a living. Whether you call yourself a busboy, a cook, or a chef, I still view you as someone who takes orders in the kitchen like a slave every day. I'm sure your parents are so proud of where you ended up. :lol:

And just to shoot down your little assumption that I somehow NEED you to believe the details of my lifestyle, I don't. Even though I know you know full well it's all true, behaving as if I am making up stories of being wealthy is just your psychological coping mechanism because you're angry that you have to slave away in a job that you hate that pays you a yearly wage that I make in some months out of each year. So you just go ahead and keep thinking that I am as poor and underprivileged as you. You go ahead and keep thinking that I have to work a demeaning and low-tier job like you have work each day. :lol:

The satisfaction of being wealthy lies in the knowledge and in the enjoyment of the fact that one can do anything and go anywhere when he so chooses. YOU, on the other hand, will still be slaving away in that kitchen doing a job that you absolutely hate! That is why you're angry about my wealth. It reminds you of what you'll never have!

About women, I get your anger about that too. You've chosen the prostitution capital of the world to sow your wild oats. I guess you need some enjoyment in that horrible life. But don't assume that just because you are paying for Filipino sex, that I have to. Sugar daddies pay for initial access to stunningly beautiful girls beyond your short little reach (literally and figuratively :lol: ). The sex comes when it comes, but I guess since your paying for local, desperate prostitutes it stands to reason that you think everyone has to do that too.

Now that I know you're a short man (likely only 1.80m in reality), I say you have every single reason to be angry because I represent everything you wish you had access to from full financial independence to gorgeous women who are often taller than you.

So now that we know all this about you, go ahead; let it all out in more rants that expose you further as a bitter, worthless, twit who hates his everything about life.

Somebody give Hypermak here a tissue for his sad, angry, and bitter eyes!

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From an article found online (Popular Science, https://www.popsci.com/science/article/ ... ring-rape/)
Of those who report their rapes, around 4 to 5 percent also describe experiencing orgasm.

Rape. Most of us don't like to talk about it. We don't like to think about it. But when we do think about it, or at least when I do, it is always violent. I am struggling and overpowered. I am screaming. And I am certainly not getting off.

Although in the United States, where I live, rape survivors are now more common than smokers, I am not currently among the nearly 20% of women or 3% of men (or more) who are sexually assaulted in their lifetimes. I am not one of the 1 in 3 Native Americans who are raped. My mother has never felt the need to tell a doctor, as one Native American mother did, "I need to learn more about Plan B for when my daughter gets raped."

And my lack of first-hand experience might be why my narrow definition of rape was completely wrong.

Rape is not always violent. Some survivors surrender to protect themselves or their loved ones. Some are intoxicated, drugged, physically or mentally incapacitated, or in a position without power. Some (doubly horribly) are children. Rape does not always include penile penetration. Some rapists are married to their victims. Some rapists are women. Some women rape men. And sometimes, in the middle of an act that is always a violation, a rape survivor will experience increasingly intense physical sensations leading to climax – an orgasm.

Yes, it really happens.

Of those who report their rapes, around 4–5% also describe experiencing orgasm. But the true numbers are likely much higher. In a 2004 review paper, a clinician reports, "I (have) met quite a lot of victims (males) who had the full sexual response during sexual abuse…I (have) met several female victims of incest and rape who had lubrication and orgasm."

In February of this year, Reddit featured a child therapist in an 'I Am A' discussion to address orgasm during rape. She had previously participated in an 'ask me anything' (AMA) on the topic. It was so popular that she was invited to engage again. In the first post the therapist states,

"I've assisted more young women than I can count with this very issue…There have been very few studies on orgasm during rape, but the research so far shows numbers from 10% to over 50% having this experience. In my experience as a therapist, it has been somewhat less than half of the girls/women I've worked with. (For the record, I have worked with very few boys/men who reported this.) In professional discussions, colleagues report similar numbers."

And though most of the half-dozen or so therapists and sex educators I spoke with said that they believed the phenomenon was uncommon, all of them had heard from or heard of at least a few rape victims who experienced sexual arousal.

Matthew Atkinson, a domestic and sexual violence–response professional and author of "Resurrection After Rape," wrote to me that, "Of the 500–600 clients I ever saw, only a couple of dozen disclosed [it] to me. However, when the topic is brought up on internet discussion forums, there seems to be a great deal of interest in it. That suggests to me that it's more common than we may be aware…"

Rape and arousal can happen simultaneously, and one does not exclude the other.
The voices of the internet suggest he's right. Read through the Reddit thread or blogsor comments to articles that discuss orgasm during rape and you find storyafter story: "I was sexually abused at a young age and had an orgasm." "…although I never stopped resisting I was horrified to find myself having a series of multiple orgasms…" "I thought I would never be able to tell – except here." "Reading your post made me feel like maybe I am not such a freak." One woman describes a violent and painful gang rape and recalls, "One of the most disturbing things that happened that night is that I had an orgasm. Despite years of marriage, it was my first orgasm ever."

But how can this be? How can a victim's experience of rape, especially violent rape, include an orgasm? If you are a blogger on one website (which I refuse to honor with a link) the explanation is simple: "You've suddenly realized that actually, in spite of what you thought before it happened, in reality you wanted to be raped and you're... loving every minute of it... that fact alone makes 'rape' an act of consensual sex."

No. This is not the explanation. Rape and arousal can happen simultaneously, and one does not exclude the other. As disgusting as they are, that blogger's words illustrate a common error of conflating arousal and conscious intention. An orgasm, at least in popular understanding, represents a peak of sexual pleasure, a state of euphoria. In that perception, if someone is experiencing rape, shouldn't pleasure be absent? Shouldn't the body, you know, shut that whole thing down?

We really need a better understanding of human sexuality and human physiology. Just as Todd Akin (and hundreds of years of science) was so wrong in thinking that rape can't lead to pregnancy, I and many others were entirely wrong about arousal and climax during rape. Despite what many rapists would like to believe, arousal does not mean that an assault was enjoyable or that a victim was asking for it. So what does it mean?

Quite simply, our bodies respond to sex. And our bodies respond to fear. Our bodies respond. They do so uniquely and often entirely without our permission or intention. Orgasm during rape isn't an example of an expression of pleasure. It's an example of a physical response whether the mind's on board or not, like breathing, sweating, or an adrenaline rush. Therapists commonly use the analogy of tickling. While tickling can be pleasurable, when it is done against someone's wishes it can be very unpleasant experience. And during that unpleasant experience, amid calls to stop, the one being tickled will continue laughing. They just can't help it.

As the review paper referenced earlier states:

…the induction of arousal and orgasm does not indicate that the subjects consented to the stimulation. A perpetrator's defense simply built upon the fact that evidence of genital arousal or orgasm proves consent has no intrinsic validity and should be disregarded…Human sexual arousal occurs as a mental state and a physical state; in normal sexual arousal both occur simultaneously. However, it is possible to be mentally sexually aroused without showing any genital manifestations of arousal…Contrarily, it is possible to exhibit these genital manifestations of arousal but not feel mentally aroused. Indeed, it is even possible to feel disgusted by the genital manifestations of arousal if it is thought to be a highly inappropriate response to the inducing sexual stimuli [such as] getting an erection to the naked body of one's mother or sister or by a violent scenario.
In other words, the mental and physical components of human sexuality often run in parallel and in agreement – but not always. In fact, sexual arousal and other forms of heightened sensation are so closely intertwined that as of 2010, psychologists were still arguing in the scientific journals about "the exact meaning of sexual arousal," or what, exactly, we should call it. Super.

Examples of the mental/physical disconnect in sexual arousal:
  • Some people can be brought to orgasm by having their eyebrows stroked. Others can orgasm when pressure is applied to their teeth.
  • Some people can "think" themselves into orgasm without any physical stimulus at all. One woman has even done this inside an MRI.
  • People with spinal cord injuries (a physical brain–body disconnection) can still experience orgasm. In an MRI.
  • Women can become sexually aroused without their knowledge. By measuring changes in blood flow to female genitals, several studies have found that subliminal images, images of copulation in other species, and those that women report as disgusting, boring, or not arousing can cause physical arousal.
  • This happens in men too, though men usually have a more … obvious … yardstick.
  • Consciousness is not required for orgasm. Both men and women can experience orgasm during sleep.
Arousal during rape is an example of a physical response whether the mind's on board or not, like breathing.
Adding to the issue is that sexual arousal and orgasm appear to originate from the autonomic nervous system-- the same reflex-driven system that underlies heart rate, digestion, and perspiration. Our control over sexual arousal is no better than our control over the dilation of our pupils or how much we sweat. The presence of sexual arousal during rape is about as relevant to consent as any of these other responses. In violent assaults, intense physical arousal from fear can heighten sexual sensations in a process called 'excitation transfer.' In one laboratory study, anxiety from threat of electric shock enhanced male erectile responses to erotic images. The men in this study were not looking forward to the shock. They did not enjoy the shock. Their body's heightened state of physical arousal – anxiety about the threat of pain – heightened sexual arousal as well. Sexual arousal is just one more component of the 'fight or flight' state.

Some rape victims report 'going somewhere else' mentally, and then being pulled back into the moment by orgasm. Clearly these victims have no mental connection to their physical state. One woman who was drugged and then raped, recalls waking up during climax only to pass out again as the sensation abated. Recent experiments suggest that vaginal lubrication in women may be an adaptive response designed to reduce injury from penetration. The body is not enjoying itself – it is trying to protect itself.

Finally, horribly, some rapists enjoy making their victims' bodies respond to the assault as a sign of dominance. These rapists work to get a physical response from their victims. They have learned how fear and anxiety can correspond to other forms of heightened arousal, and they exploit the connection.

Unsurprisingly, rape survivors who experience arousal and rape report confusion and shame thanks to this conflation of the physical response of arousal and its usual association with enjoyment. A survivor may ask, "Was this something I subconsciously wanted? Am I in some way guilty? If my body responded this way, does it mean I'm mentally disturbed?" The reality is that the body's arousal response is no more an indication of guilt or mental illness than an elevated heart rate or adrenaline flood would be under the same circumstances.

Often, sexual pleasure and sexual aggression become psychologically intertwined when a rape survivor experiences arousal during rape. In Matt Atkinson's words, "Sex, which is supposed to be healthy, harmless, pleasurable, and mutual, has been disfigured by rape or abuse." One woman exclaims, "The word 'no' doesn't seem to count. My own body didn't listen to it. So it's as if I never said it." Though it might feel this way to a victim, the word 'no' stands on its own. To paraphrase the woman's therapist: The sensation is not an expression of pleasure or consent – it is simply a physical sensation.

Men, too, experience frustration and guilt that can be heightened by a bewildering physical response. In many instances, this confusion prevents victims from reporting the assault. One study from the 1980s found that approximately 90–95% of men who are raped never report the incident. It's not unreasonable to think that these numbers must be even greater for men whose rape stimulates arousal and ejaculation.

Police and courtrooms may confuse orgasm and arousal with evidence that the interaction was consensual.
Another worry is that police and courtrooms may confuse orgasm and arousal with evidence that the interaction was consensual. Though the law has progressed much since the days in which pregnancy, which was once believed to be proof of orgasm, could acquit an accused rapist, we have far to go. Still, most courtrooms recognize that legal consent must be freely given and that consent can be withdrawn at any time (even the FBI now recognizes non-forcible rape as of, get this, 2012). If the supreme court of Georgia in 1976 could find that orgasm is "legally irrelevant to the issue of consent," there may be some hope for a better understanding of the mind–body disconnect when it comes to these autonomic responses during rape.

Arousal and orgasm during rape happen. Probably much more often than we know. It is not a sign of guilt or pleasure. It in no way indicates consent. It is a sign that our bodies react, just as they do with a rapid heartbeat or an adrenaline rush. We react. And then we try to heal.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 6:09 pm
Somebody's still bitter about where he is in life. But I guess I would be too if I had to lie about being a chef when I'm actually a mere set of extra hands that chops, scrubs, and cleans in a hotel kitchen for a living. Whether you call yourself a busboy, a cook, or a chef, I still view you as someone who takes orders in the kitchen like a slave every day. I'm sure your parents are so proud of where you ended up. :lol:

And just to shoot down your little assumption that I somehow NEED you to believe the details of my lifestyle, I don't. Even though I know you know full well it's all true, behaving as if I am making up stories of being wealthy is just your psychological coping mechanism because you're angry that you have to slave away in a job that you hate that pays you a yearly wage that I make in some months out of each year. So you just go ahead and keep thinking that I am a poor and underprivileged as you. You go ahead and keep thinking that I have to work a demeaning and low-tier job like you have work each day. :lol:

The satisfaction of being wealthy lies in the knowledge and in the enjoyment of the fact that one can do anything, go anywhere when he so chooses. YOU, on the other hand, will still be slaving away in that kitchen doing a job that you absolutely hate! That is why you're angry about my wealth. It reminds you of what you'll never have!

About women, I get your anger about that too. You've chosen the prostitution capital of the world to sow your wild oats. I guess you need some enjoyment in that horrible life. But don't assume that just because you are paying for Filipino sex, that I have to. Sugar daddies pay for initial access to stunningly beautiful girls beyond your short little reach (literally and figuratively :lol: ). The sex comes when it comes, but I guess since your paying for local, desperate prostitutes it stands to reason that you think everyone has to do that too.

Now that I know you're a short man (likely only 1.80m in reality), I say you have every single reason to be angry because I represent everything you wish you had access to full financial independence and gorgeous women who are often taller than you.

So now that we know all this about you, go ahead. Let it all out in more rants that expose you further as a bitter, worthless, twit who hates his everything about life.

Somebody give Hypermak here a tissue for his sad, angry, and bitter eyes!
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hypermak wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 6:52 pm
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 6:09 pm
Somebody's still bitter about where he is in life. But I guess I would be too if I had to lie about being a chef when I'm actually a mere set of extra hands that chops, scrubs, and cleans in a hotel kitchen for a living. Whether you call yourself a busboy, a cook, or a chef, I still view you as someone who takes orders in the kitchen like a slave every day. I'm sure your parents are so proud of where you ended up. :lol:

And just to shoot down your little assumption that I somehow NEED you to believe the details of my lifestyle, I don't. Even though I know you know full well it's all true, behaving as if I am making up stories of being wealthy is just your psychological coping mechanism because you're angry that you have to slave away in a job that you hate that pays you a yearly wage that I make in some months out of each year. So you just go ahead and keep thinking that I am a poor and underprivileged as you. You go ahead and keep thinking that I have to work a demeaning and low-tier job like you have work each day. :lol:

The satisfaction of being wealthy lies in the knowledge and in the enjoyment of the fact that one can do anything, go anywhere when he so chooses. YOU, on the other hand, will still be slaving away in that kitchen doing a job that you absolutely hate! That is why you're angry about my wealth. It reminds you of what you'll never have!

About women, I get your anger about that too. You've chosen the prostitution capital of the world to sow your wild oats. I guess you need some enjoyment in that horrible life. But don't assume that just because you are paying for Filipino sex, that I have to. Sugar daddies pay for initial access to stunningly beautiful girls beyond your short little reach (literally and figuratively :lol: ). The sex comes when it comes, but I guess since your paying for local, desperate prostitutes it stands to reason that you think everyone has to do that too.

Now that I know you're a short man (likely only 1.80m in reality), I say you have every single reason to be angry because I represent everything you wish you had access to full financial independence and gorgeous women who are often taller than you.

So now that we know all this about you, go ahead. Let it all out in more rants that expose you further as a bitter, worthless, twit who hates his everything about life.

Somebody give Hypermak here a tissue for his sad, angry, and bitter eyes!
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You're the unraveling spectacle here. I'm about to call the Conrad Hotel and ask them to place the short, angry, bitter, Italian kitchen staffer (who calls himself a chef) on suicide watch.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 7:00 pm
You're the unraveling spectacle here. I'm about to call the Conrad Hotel and ask them to place the short, angry, bitter, Italian kitchen staffer (who calls himself a chef) on suicide watch.
LOL I don't work at the Conrad, nice try, old man.

Considering what an obnoxious a%%hole you are and how easily you piss people off, perhaps you should be the one watching your fat back...
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