What's the deal with some of you guys?

[GoingAwol]

As far as I can tell half of the guys on this forum defend the ground American women walk on and act as if there is nothing wrong with their behavior or the dating culture in general. So why are you here? I thought this forum was for guys who recognize that there are legitimate issues with the American dating scene. Some of you like putting guys like me down and bragging about how you have no problems getting American women, so why troll this forum? If I was a guy that was getting laid I simply wouldn't be here. I'm here because I'm a guy that has been shafted by this dating scene and have got nothing despite trying and doing my part. I just don't understand why people hang around and argue with people they don't agree with. It doesn't make any sense.

[gsjackson]

I've been on the forum for over five years, and offhand I can't think of anyone who has out and out defended American women as generally fine exemplars of the female gender. There have been a few guys who have taken to task those who dwell on the negatives in the U.S. rather than focus on plans for making things better, and sometimes they can be a little prickly about it.

[The_Adventurer]

I have also been on this forum for years. The only poster I can think of who puts people down for not being able to get any in the west is Black Knight, and he's in Eastern Europe right now.

Also, there are guys who don't, or didn't, have trouble getting women in America. The older guys for example. Dating in the 80's was not bad at all. I think things started going downhill in the 90's. Guys dating in that time had no troubles. In fact, I things have gotten much worse, much more quickly, in the time I have been outside America, since 2008.

There are also the guys who went abroad for other reasons. Happier Abroad is also about escaping a workaholic culture, finding more freedom to enjoy life and being in control of your own destiny. This seems a lot more possible in Asia today, for the foreigner at least, than in America.

[Ghost]

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[MarcosZeitola]

There are also the guys who went abroad for other reasons. Happier Abroad is also about escaping a workaholic culture, finding more freedom to enjoy life and being in control of your own destiny. This seems a lot more possible in Asia today, for the foreigner at least, than in America.

That's pretty much exactly the reasons that made me go abroad, so I'd say you're spot on there. I went abroad not for lack of dating opportunities, but because the type of lifestyle common for people my age simply isn't appealing to me anymore, and the type of future I would have where I was born, even less appealing. A more relaxed attitude, more personal freedom and people who are overall more relaxed and easy-going is something I was always after. I'm not a suit-and-tie type of guy, an office job would kill me. A house, a dog, two cars, a wife and a kid by 35 while working 9-5 until 67 (the age of retirement in my home country)... it'd kill me.

Divorce rates are also troubling, and divorce is treated disturbingly casual, almost like an inevitability. Hopeless romantic that I am, I wanted to grow old with someone. Staying where I was would make that very hard to do. Something our grandparents managed to do, but our generation and the generation of our parents seems to no longer be able to pull off this feat.

I wanted to be free to do my own thing. Build up my own life, with a wife who is on the same page as me. I discovered that I fit more into certain different cultures then I did in my own. And I found one where I felt truly at home. I would have gone abroad regardless of meeting my wife or not, because I've walked around with plans of relocating to a foreign country since I was a young teenager... at fifteen, I found myself reading all about Latin America, Asia, Africa. Stories of far away cultures, where the music sounds better, the food tastes finer, the girls are exotic and the temperature is far better then it was where I was born.

Some guys here have a very narrow scope: they are lonely, have no luck with women, and all they want is to meet a cutie from Eastern Europe, Asia or Latin America to bring home to their country. I like the people who take things a step further and TRULY think outside of the box. Perhaps the problem isn't their loneliness, nor the local female population, but the country itself and the culture it belongs to? Whether it be America, or the Western world in general... the vibe is different, the attitude of people is off. Going abroad can be a breathe of fresh air in a number of ways, but if it truly is location that determines the outcome of your life, why go back?

You established you are stuck. Your country is your prison. Going abroad only to get a wife and then take her back with you, is just to leave your cell temporarily, then lock yourself right back in once you found a cellmate...

[Hero]

Dating in the 80's was not bad at all. I think things started going downhill in the 90's. Guys dating in that time had no troubles. In fact, I things have gotten much worse, much more quickly, in the time I have been outside America, since 2008.

I don't think that dating was easier in the 80's, but there were a hell of a lot more beautiful women around. I couldn't date most of them, but at least I could enjoy looking. Nowadays, even when I hang out on a college campus I don't see many attractive women. Nothing but a horde of obese, tattooed, and body-pierced skanks.

[travelsouth]

Well I do defend western women. They are entitled to live as they like, and as long as they don't try to impose it on me that's just fine. Many of you older gents on here do have American daughters. Am I a fan of AW behavior? Generally speaking I am not, and I highly prefer the Latina. But I could stand for a let less AW bashing and a little more actually doing something about it.

So the real deal is too many men aren't doing enough about it. All they do is whine and complain from behind their computers while doing absolutely nothing. That's the lamest thing you can do, and that's also why the AW hate gets piled up and so toxic. If you were doing the latina thing you wouldn't have time for that garbage.

And with Latin America literally bumping uglies with the States there is no excuse.

[Adama]

I think everyone is just saying that just because a waitress doesnt want to talk to you, it doesnt mean it is about you or your maleness. It could be literally anything else. You do not know what it is. You are just assuming your idea is true because you want it to fit in with what you already believe about women. And if your idea was proven true in one case, it wouldnt even mean that it's representative of all other cases.

I also believe the Men's Rights Movement has been infiltrated and has become the same as the Feminist movement, in that it openly discourages the sexes from getting together because of all the evils of the opposite sex. Men have been oppressing women for thousands of years is something women are told. But men are told similar lies to get them to hate women just as much.

Now you may believe that finding sites like this is part of your salvation. The opposite is more likely to be true. Getting together with like-minded misers only reinforces the negative. Without the online camaraderie and encouragement of like-minded men (who think women are basically evil), you might have gotten out and found a way around these problems in real life.

The same with pornography. Lots of guys won't bother to look for wives because they can sit there and wank to all the p.o.r.n they want without having to risk rejection or deal with some attitude. Is p.o.r.nography a good thing in that situation? Depends on your point of view.

[Adama]

I've been abroad, and I do think foreign women are better. The question is, why are they better?

I think the reason is obvious to most of us. It is because foreign women are more submissive. But submissiveness isnt a trait based on nationality. It truly is individual. You can and will meet lots of foreign, third world women who are complete beotches. You will also meet lots of foreign women who are submissive.

The other question is, are there submissive American women, since submissiveness is an individual trait? Whichever nationality of woman you choose, she needs to be submissive. Otherwise you will have the same problem then that you have now: dealing with evil beotches.

Just as women are fed a false narrative about rape and past oppression, we are fed a false narrative on how socially adept women are. American women are almost as socially inept as the average dork is. They do not have any more intuition or social intelligence than men do. The only thing is, when a woman does something socially awkward it is excused as normal, because women are always right. Therefore they conclude she must have had a good reason to act like a dummy. But when a man does something socially awkward, it is because he is a retard. People will mock and laugh at him and take pleasure in humiliating him. The same behavior but two different outcomes based upon what people already believe about each sex.

Once you realize women are just as ignorant as men are that should bring you to the realization that you can take charge of the situation. You are a man after all. And they don't know what's going on any more than you do, but you will be expected to know what's going on, and you better know what's going on for your own sake so that you can be the man and take control of the situation.

Screen for the submissive women. Or you could end up an expatriate who happened to marry the one complete beotch in that foreign country. Oh wouldnt that be fun?

[travelsouth]

I think everyone is just saying that just because a waitress doesnt want to talk to you, it doesnt mean it is about you or your maleness. It could be literally anything else. You do not know what it is. You are just assuming your idea is true because you want it to fit in with what you already believe about women. And if your idea was proven true in one case, it wouldnt even mean that it's representative of all other cases.

I also believe the Men's Rights Movement has been infiltrated and has become the same as the Feminist movement, in that it openly discourages the sexes from getting together because of all the evils of the opposite sex. Men have been oppressing women for thousands of years is something women are told. But men are told similar lies to get them to hate women just as much.

Now you may believe that finding sites like this is part of your salvation. The opposite is more likely to be true. Getting together with like-minded misers only reinforces the negative. Without the online camaraderie and encouragement of like-minded men (who think women are basically evil), you might have gotten out and found a way around these problems in real life.

The same with p***. Lots of guys won't bother to look for wives because they can sit there and wank to all the p.o.r.n they want without having to risk rejection or deal with some attitude. Is p.o.r.nography a good thing in that situation? Depends on your point of view.

Reasonable points. And I get it. After a hard day at work a guy just wants to relax for a bit. Or before a first date he wants to bust a nut. But too many are overusing porn. And yes there are men that have social problems and problems in the looks department. They are going to struggle. That is nature. The women's movement is being led around by some ugly bitches. So make sure you aren't in a group full of loser guys who are struggling for the exact same reasons the ugly feminist leader is (biology). Don't be led by someone online "Malenist" movement run by clowns with no skills to get women. Feminists are anti biology, don't mimic a bad idea.

[Devil Dog]

There really aren't that many. Off the top of my head, I can think of only a few:

Black Knight - obvious troll
Devil Dog - hopelessly blue pilled idiot
Marcos Zeitola - borderline; he himself lives and is married abroad, but very blue pill and doesn't really get how screwed up the West is

lol, I am far from blue pill. I just have no patience for whiny cunts (male ones, especially) who complain about their lot in life but don't have the balls to do anything about it. About half of the regular posters on HA are only here to look for sympathy and revel in their victimhood.

[Ghost]

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[MarcosZeitola]

Borderline, why?

[Yohan]

As far as I can tell half of the guys on this forum defend the ground American women walk on and act as if there is nothing wrong with their behavior or the dating culture in general. So why are you here?

I don't get it. Can you name some HA-members who defend American women? There are other members too, like I myself, who are not from USA, but who consider women in Europe, especially those from UK, to be nothing better than women in the States.

[Yohan]

I also believe the Men's Rights Movement has been infiltrated and has become the same as the Feminist movement, in that it openly discourages the sexes from getting together because of all the evils of the opposite sex...

This is not true, first of all the feminist movement is non-productive and cannot survive without financial support from outside, it is a very expensive movement and is financed from public money. The MRA/MGTOWs have to pay for their ideology out of their own wallet.

The Men's Rights Movement does not discourage contact with females, you can check all MRA-websites and unlike feminist forums and blogs which must fit the party line, comments from everybody, even opposing views, are welcome, too.
There are also some females within the MRAs, for example mothers with boys, who can understand the other side of feminism.

MRA/MGTOWs are questioning, if any approach towards Western females makes still sense for Western men or if it is not better to be risk-averse and to remain single due to the legal situation.

I am MRA/MGTOW myself since decades, but I am married with children. Yes, I have a foreign wife and do not live anymore in a pro-feminist zone, but this is another matter - for sure I am not a woman-hater, but I mistrust deeply Western women and their hateful feminist ideology.

In general, most MRA/MGTOWs had a very bad experience with women and the Western legal system in their past and this makes them cautious and mistrusting. Can you blame them for that?

I do not know about any women-hating literature from Men's Rights Advocates. If you know such a publication, please let me know.

However without doubt, there is plenty of men-hating stuff created by feminists existing - up to the genocide of all males, up to kill all men except a few who should be kept locked up in a sperm farm and nobody says a word about it.