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How many girls would I have to ask out in order to actually get a date ? Is it true that PUA says a guy has to get at least 10 numbers in order to get an actual date ?

PUA says a lot of things. Doesn't make them true. I've wondered the same thing. You can't just ask a girl for a date to get a date. It's not like "ask and you shall receive".

Where can you even meet these girls? If you approach girls and ask them out in random public, they may call security because some AW see flirtation or pickups as harassment.

In the US, you have to have a social network and hang out in groups of guys and girls. Then eventually the girls that like you will make it known. Only then are you allowed to ask them out since you already know that they are interested. That's considered the normal way of getting dates in America.

But you can't just go out and pick them up like they show in the movies.

Winston wrote:PUA says a lot of things. Doesn't make them true. I've wondered the same thing. You can't just ask a girl for a date to get a date. It's not like "ask and you shall receive".

Where can you even meet these girls? If you approach girls and ask them out in random public, they may call security because some AW see flirtation or pickups as harassment.

In the US, you have to have a social network and hang out in groups of guys and girls. Then eventually the girls that like you will make it known. Only then are you allowed to ask them out since you already know that they are interested. That's considered the normal way of getting dates in America.

But you can't just go out and pick them up like they show in the movies.

There's something that gives me hope that things will get better in the future, and the something is that this economy can not be sustained in the long run especially if you have so many men alienated from the system. Once the economy collapses and am not talking about a minor collapse but a massive one to the point that people start hunting down each other for food, then feminism will be history because daddy gov't won't be there to fuel women's entitlements. In fact you will see the society breaking up into smaller communities or states based on race, or common ideology or some combination of those. These small communities will be led by gang leaders or mafia bosses(real alpha ruthless males) who will command respect from lesser men, in fact they may kill of most of the beta males so that they can have all the females to themselves. The value of a man will be based on natural strength and not based on how many shares he owns at the stock market or how much money he has or what property he controls. That's the way it used be before we started writing laws back in the dark ages. Society will sink back into savagery and despotism will be the law of the land.

So in a situation like this, women will be completely powerless and they will either have to attract a loyal man or starve to death, because all these luxuries that reward them for their nasty behavior won't exist anymore, the fat women will either have to lose weight or die because men won't tolerate their fatness

Nicho,
That's possible but it won't happen anytime soon, and not with the current generation which is already spoiled. It could only happen with the next generation, which is too late for us.

If you asked a young adult in America about how to get dates, he/she would tell you something like this:

"You gotta look cool, act cool and be cool. And you gotta hang out with cool people. Then chicks will dig you and drop hints of interest and you can ask them out."

That's what tons of young adults told me. But it's very subjective and I have no idea how to implement such advice. lol. Plus how can you act cool if it's not you? How can you be something you're not?

If you asked an older adult, they might suggest:

"Go out and do what you love. Then you will meet people with common interests."

The problem with this is that common interests in America does NOT create attraction at all, or even romantic chemistry. You could meet lots of women who share the same interests but they could all blow you off or say they just want to be friends. I've met tons of AW in the New Age movement who share my interests and that's exactly what happened. The moment you ask them out, it's either "I have a boyfriend" or "I just got out of a relationship and am working on myself now".

Gee what the hell do you say to that? All you can do is pretend to smile and be happy you got a polite rejection and be happy that she's "working on herself". Yadeeyaya What a f***ing waste of time.

In the best case scenario, you might meet a decent girl who you get along well with and enjoys talking to you. But the moment you try to initiate romantic with her, she will say, "You're a great guy and I like talking to you, but I only like you as a friend." So even in the best case scenario, you still lose. It's a lose-lose situation with no real solution.

Also, you are not supposed to ask a woman out in America unless she shows signs of interest first, by giving you her number, calling you, or focuses on you when you talk and looks enthused. But how often does that happen. If you don't fit a certain physical type in America, you got no chance unless you are very lucky and a miracle happens.

Winston wrote:Nicho,
That's possible but it won't happen anytime soon, and not with the current generation which is already spoiled. It could only happen with the next generation, which is too late for us.

If you asked a young adult in America about how to get dates, he/she would tell you something like this:

"You gotta look cool, act cool and be cool. And you gotta hang out with cool people. Then chicks will dig you and drop hints of interest and you can ask them out."

That's what tons of young adults told me. But it's very subjective and I have no idea how to implement such advice. lol. Plus how can you act cool if it's not you? How can you be something you're not?

If you asked an older adult, they might suggest:

"Go out and do what you love. Then you will meet people with common interests."

The problem with this is that common interests in America does NOT create attraction at all, or even romantic chemistry. You could meet lots of women who share the same interests but they could all blow you off or say they just want to be friends. I've met tons of AW in the New Age movement who share my interests and that's exactly what happened. The moment you ask them out, it's either "I have a boyfriend" or "I just got out of a relationship and am working on myself now".

Gee what the hell do you say to that? All you can do is pretend to smile and be happy you got a polite rejection and be happy that she's "working on herself". Yadeeyaya What a f***ing waste of time.

In the best case scenario, you might meet a decent girl who you get along well with and enjoys talking to you. But the moment you try to initiate romantic with her, she will say, "You're a great guy and I like talking to you, but I only like you as a friend." So even in the best case scenario, you still lose. It's a lose-lose situation with no real solution.

Also, you are not supposed to ask a woman out in America unless she shows signs of interest first, by giving you her number, calling you, or focuses on you when you talk and looks enthused. But how often does that happen. If you don't fit a certain physical type in America, you got no chance unless you are very lucky and a miracle happens.

These women have been indoctrinated by T.V and Hollywood and that's why they act the way they act, to add salt to the injury, the gov't assures them that they can always get a bailout once they mare mistakes in their relationships with unworthy men. By the way am only 23 and I have also experienced what you're talking about, the advantage that I have over the young guys my age here in America is that am a foreigner and I have a point of reference on how women should act in a natural way. Most young guys in America don't have that point of reference, they have been completely emasculated by the state and feel hopeless and powerless, that's we will continue to have mass shootings year in year out.
In fact, I haven't yet seen any woman in America for the past 4 years that I have lived here who would make me wanna put in a lot of effort in getting her for a long term relationship, go out in the streets, or shopping malls or any social events and most of the women you will see are either obese or overweight, and the good looking ones have very bad toxic personalities that I could never put up with. On top of that, there's the police state waiting to throw you in jail once you get into an argument with her. Young men in America are screwed

Arabian_prince wrote:How many girls would I have to ask out in order to actually get a date ? Is it true that PUA says a guy has to get at least 10 numbers in order to get an actual date ?

I wouldn't know, I don't go on dates. I just meet girls at parties, social functions, or when I'm out, and then take things from there. The only time actual traditional "dates" happen is after we're already moving in the relationship direction- I'm not investing good money and time into something that isn't putting out a good return. PUA is BS.

Winston wrote:In the US, you have to have a social network and hang out in groups of guys and girls. Then eventually the girls that like you will make it known. Only then are you allowed to ask them out since you already know that they are interested. That's considered the normal way of getting dates in America.

But you can't just go out and pick them up like they show in the movies.

Yes, in America the only way to meet women is through your friends. Studies show that 63% of people who are married in America met their future spouse through a friend.

Cold approaching women in the US is a waste of time and it will deflate your ego as well. Women in America do not want guys approaching them when they are out grocery shopping or at a bookstore or on a bus or a train. For some reason cold approaching women in the US is considered socially unacceptable and taboo.

Now, if you watch American movies and TV shows, you will see guys approaching women in public and getting phone numbers. This of course is not reality and does not exist in the United States.

In the USA, I've met all of my dates in school, at work, or on the internet. In the Philippines, about half of my dates came from the internet, and the rest were girls I picked up in shopping malls.

Have any of you noticed that the very act of even asking a girl for a date or phone number in the US feels kind like a transgression, as though you've crossed the line and put her into a defensive position, where she has to blow you off with excuses?

That totally sucks. Why does it have to be like that? Since when has asking a girl out become a transgression? So weird. I don't get it.

In every other country, women are more warm and social toward men. Even in Western Europe, where women are independent and masculine, the women are still more social toward men. It is still natural to start a conversation with them and does not feel like an intrusion. They are still down to earth too. Not toxic and negative toward men wanting to talk to them.

This is a huge difference that no one has the guts to talk about, not even the alternative media that claims to champion truth and freethought. And all the conspiracy gurus say that the problems in America are also the same as in the world, which is not true and damages their credibility. Real travelers do not say that everywhere is the same. Only politically correct people say that. The conspiracy gurus are guilty of that too. All they know about is the NWO/Illuminati. But when it comes to cultural comparisons, they are zero. This indicates that they are not living in the real world, so perhaps their conspiracy claims are fictitious or greatly exaggerated too.

Winston wrote:Have any of you noticed that the very act of even asking a girl for a date or phone number in the US feels kind like a transgression, as though you've crossed the line and put her into a defensive position, where she has to blow you off with excuses?

That totally sucks. Why does it have to be like that? Since when has asking a girl out become a transgression? So weird. I don't get it.

In every other country, women are more warm and social toward men. Even in Western Europe, where women are independent and masculine, the women are still more social toward men. It is still natural to start a conversation with them and does not feel like an intrusion. They are still down to earth too. Not toxic and negative toward men wanting to talk to them.

This is a huge difference that no one has the guts to talk about, not even the alternative media that claims to champion truth and freethought. And all the conspiracy gurus say that the problems in America are also the same as in the world, which is not true and damages their credibility. Real travelers do not say that everywhere is the same. Only politically correct people say that. The conspiracy gurus are guilty of that too. All they know about is the NWO/Illuminati. But when it comes to cultural comparisons, they are zero. This indicates that they are not living in the real world, so perhaps their conspiracy claims are fictitious or greatly exaggerated too.

One of my theories is that many (in the US) are hit on so much by the numbers game guys/PUA/ONS/whatever types that women simply get sick of it, or get an inflated ego, or both. Thus when a genuine guy comes along looking for something of a real relationship it's yet another hurdle/barrier for this guy to stand out from the douchebags she views in her head as you, now approaching her. Our spidey senses pick up on this barrier from her thus it feeling taboo/weird/etc. to us, and since we feel this we also subconsciously then project it, which she picks up on too thus making it full circle and just overall worse, body language never lies lol.

In the above train of thought, are AW to blame in this, or the shotgun approach men, or both? Honestly I can see both sides of that particular social paradigm and it can spiral out of control. I'm excluding the superbitch types from this thought as those types are certainly not limited to America, although compared to what some experience in just approaching a woman at times she could certainly seem like one heh.

But I digress, this is just one of my thoughts based on observations. I have hundreds and there are so many factors, the large hadron collider would probably have more trouble finding the pieces to how a woman's psyche works than it would the higgs boson.

One of my theories is that many (in the US) are hit on so much by the numbers game guys/PUA/ONS/whatever types that women simply get sick of it, or get an inflated ego, or both


This is a huge contributing factor people fail to see.

When you hit on girl and ask her out you have to realize that you are just 'another' guy who tried to pick her up, she probably had 10 offers in the past week or so and half of these guys were better looking than you.
So why would she go for mr joe average when she can have a guy that is good looking, young, etc ?

Social engineering look it up

1) Don't be Black.
2) Meet an Asian girl at the airport, at university, restaurant, or anywhere else Asian women can be found.

If you are Black, go after fat, ugly rejects nobody else wants. If you have standards (good for you, there are few of us), just give up because you won't succeed.

I keep telling you people, the slutification of AW has made the concept of dating obsolete.
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Cornfed wrote:I keep telling you people, the slutification of AW has made the concept of dating obsolete.
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Very true. My above rules apply for getting balls-deep action as well.