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This is especially for the knuckleheads who think the bar girls are their future wives...

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Good video. Only thing I wish you could have told guys about is to paint a picture of why bar girls and pros, are difficult to date. I know you used the example that they f**k to eat, but many of them f**k because their family is dirt poor, broken homes, daddy issues, serious self-esteem issues, identity problems, lack of class and education, etc.. All of these problems make life absolute hell. That is why you cannot turn a whore into a housewife. If these same Westerners would not marry a pole stripper, why marry a foreign one? If they think no one in the West would find out they married a whore, let them come home to find a black man with good game smashing their brains out on their bed. That is what will happen if they do not give them something they (usually money)want even once.

That Pretty Woman reference was a good one. I never thought about using that one. I might have to borrow that one.

Nana is full of Richard Geeres. Lol.

The danger with bar girls is that some of them are very attractive (particularly the MILF part-time freelancers), plus they're good company. My Issan girl wasn't a bar girl. But from date #1 she was great company, and it's been pretty hard to fall out of love with her.

One solution is to have several girlfriends.

If you do more videos I'd like to see one about coping with Bangkok's heat. I've had a lot of problems with leg/foot cramps. I'm not sure if I'm not drinking enough water, or I need to eat more/less salt or increase potassium/magnesium intake. I had some problems in China, but it wasn't hot all the freaking time like it is here.

I'd also like to know more about Issan as well, since thats where most bar girls come from. I've heard the land is poor and farmers can't grow much. But I guess Thailand doubled its GDP off the back of tourists and an unlimited supply of people willing to work 60+ hour weeks for very little.

Hey, xingmao, do you drink much alcohol? If so, what you are experiencing could be thiamine depletion combined with electrolyte imbalance and dehydration. If not, it could just be dehydration and sweating throwing off your electrolyte levels, as sweating does a real number on your sodium/chloride levels.

@AiB -Great video.

xiongmao wrote: If you do more videos I'd like to see one about coping with Bangkok's heat. I've had a lot of problems with leg/foot cramps. I'm not sure if I'm not drinking enough water, or I need to eat more/less salt or increase potassium/magnesium intake. I had some problems in China, but it wasn't hot all the freaking time like it is here.

When you have a chance, do an Internet search on "The Pickle Juice Game" involving the Philadelphia Eagles and Dallas Cowboys back in 2000.

http://www.good.is/posts/how-pickle-jui ... ball-field

I hope this helps you.

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Ghost wrote:Given how nationalistic Asian countries can be, and the relative difficulty of learning Thai, and the reputation of Thailand as the p4p capital of the world, why would any Westerner decide it is a good place to date/marry? Granted, one could learn Thai, work/live there, and avoid dating bargirls, but it still leaves a lot of challenges. However, I have seen plenty of 30 something (presumably desperate) Thai women on DateInAsia. Maybe that's the group a lot of guys try to tap into.

Kai - I think one of the biggest problems with Thai prostitutes working in bars, massage parlors, or brothels is family pressure to provide. The women need to take care of their parents, at almost any cost. Now with families that are more well-off this isn't the case but with poor families, it's sort of like, "Go bring home the bacon little girl and we don't give a shit how you do so."

Another problem is daughters being raped by family friends, boyfriends, relatives, and then never reporting it and never learning what to do with the emotional trauma that comes with it. Personally, this and the drink and drugs (to stifle the emotions) contributes to their bat-shit craziness.

Once a girl hits a bar or club, a Mamasan takes them aside and tells them what's expected of them. She'll guide her through her first few interactions, and put thoughts in her head, effectively brainwashing her. "Foreigners have big money but are cheap, remember why you are here, to take care of your family. Do what you have to do. Tell them what they want to hear, Farang buffalo." That sort of shit gets planted in their heads and after only a couple of days, their mind is f***ed. Then they get boned hard by some 250 farang who expects her to swallow and bounce up and down like his f**k bunny ad this further sets the screws. Farang start telling them they love them, you're so beautiful...that sort of shit, and it's over. "If he loves me, he will understand I need money for my family." But most don't want to pay off a plot of land or build a house for family honor - why the f**k would they??? The dummies who do this end up tossed out on their asses because they're the outsider and most importantly, they don't have any money left.

The thing is, some of the Thai farmers are in a never ending revolving door of idiotic behavior.

Mama give me land when she die, I need to make money from the land. Mama want me do this.
I have no money for plant rice and no buffalo. I need borrow money.

They borrow a million baht against the land, buy a little truck for 500-600K baht, get what they need, and then the money is gone. The rice and farm doesn't earn them enough to pay off the bills, so little Noi - she so lovely - she need work, make money. So Noi's family has a friend in Pattaya, she own restaurant. But it's not a restaurant, it's a bar with a little restaurant in the back. She starts whoring to help the family.

In the mean time, Papa is drinking and doesn't work as much as he should because he's very old (54). Mama sick all the time, buffalo stupid and not want work. We sell rice only little bit and eat too. No money. So I f**k for money...why I bad girl? I help family.

This is pretty much dead on how it goes. BUT - if they just kept the land, f***ing went to work, got married, started saving, AND THEN bought what they needed for the land to produce, they'd be far better off. They owe on a truck, etc., Papa no money for pay - then what the f**k did he but it for??? The guy earns 10,000 baht a month but he's buying a new truck for 600K??? Yea, that's f***ing logic. And so it goes....and keeps going, and keeps going...

I don't think Thai is anywhere near as difficult as learning Spanish or Burmese.

That said, for those willing to put in a little bit of work, it is relatively easy to hook up with a decent woman. The good ones are definitely keepers but I think the mistake most men make is rushing into a relationship since they're away from their home playing field. Thai women that are good are excellent and will stay with you through the depths of hell if you want them to. The bad ones, you just give em a boot in the ass as soon as they screw up and don't give em a second chance.

Like I've said and like Thai men do...

Use the bar girls and massage parlor women for what they are intended - SEX. During any dry spells or when you're forming relationships with decent women, you use them to take care of your needs. This way, the urge for sex is lessened and you can take your sweet ass time and weed the good from bad. Most Thai women do not have it in them to keep up a charade long-term (like a year or more) and within a month or two most will reveal their true character.

Ghost wrote:Given how nationalistic Asian countries can be, and the relative difficulty of learning Thai, and the reputation of Thailand as the p4p capital of the world, why would any Westerner decide it is a good place to date/marry? Granted, one could learn Thai, work/live there, and avoid dating bargirls, but it still leaves a lot of challenges. However, I have seen plenty of 30 something (presumably desperate) Thai women on DateInAsia. Maybe that's the group a lot of guys try to tap into.

Don't confuse your dating limits with others. Thailand is an amusement park if you want to date or maintain short relationships. This is what many guys prefer. Given that though, why would one be limited to "30 something (presumably desperate) Thai women on DateInAsia."? Say what's really on your mind bro, come on, let it out. lol

bkk_bro wrote:

Ghost wrote:Given how nationalistic Asian countries can be, and the relative difficulty of learning Thai, and the reputation of Thailand as the p4p capital of the world, why would any Westerner decide it is a good place to date/marry? Granted, one could learn Thai, work/live there, and avoid dating bargirls, but it still leaves a lot of challenges. However, I have seen plenty of 30 something (presumably desperate) Thai women on DateInAsia. Maybe that's the group a lot of guys try to tap into.

Don't confuse your dating limits with others. Thailand is an amusement park if you want to date or maintain short relationships. This is what many guys prefer. Given that though, why would one be limited to "30 something (presumably desperate) Thai women on DateInAsia."? Say what's really on your mind bro, come on, let it out. lol

Ghost - I was 33 when I came here and I was regularly dating and nailing 20-25 year old decent Thai women. It never happened in an hour like with Super Sexy Steve but that's neither here nor there. The oldest woman I've ever slept with is my wife, who is now 36. I'll be 51 in October. Even when I was 33, I didn't use online dating while living here and never dated women in their thirties. Personally, I didn't want a ready-made family nor did I want a woman with stretch marks unless she was the mother of my kids.

I've said it before...Thailand is like an onion. You keep peeling away the layers and learning more and more. The layers never end. But once you pull away the outer layers, there's much more to the onion. It does take time and a little effort here. But once you crack the egg, so to speak, there's a lot of things you can do with it.

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anamericaninbangkok wrote:

Ghost wrote:Given how nationalistic Asian countries can be, and the relative difficulty of learning Thai, and the reputation of Thailand as the p4p capital of the world, why would any Westerner decide it is a good place to date/marry? Granted, one could learn Thai, work/live there, and avoid dating bargirls, but it still leaves a lot of challenges. However, I have seen plenty of 30 something (presumably desperate) Thai women on DateInAsia. Maybe that's the group a lot of guys try to tap into.

Kai - I think one of the biggest problems with Thai hoes working in bars, massage parlors, or brothels is family pressure to provide. The women need to take care of their parents, at almost any cost. Now with families that are more well-off this isn't the case but with poor families, it's sort of like, "Go bring home the bacon little girl and we don't give a shit how you do so."

Another problem is daughters being raped by family friends, boyfriends, relatives, and then never reporting it and never learning what to do with the emotional trauma that comes with it. Personally, this and the drink and drugs (to stifle the emotions) contributes to their bat-shit craziness.

Once a girl hits a bar or club, a Mamasan takes them aside and tells them what's expected of them. She'll guide her through her first few interactions, and put thoughts in her head, effectively brainwashing her. "Foreigners have big money but are cheap, remember why you are here, to take care of your family. Do what you have to do. Tell them what they want to hear, Farang buffalo." That sort of shit gets planted in their heads and after only a couple of days, their mind is f***ed. Then they get boned hard by some 250 farang who expects her to swallow and bounce up and down like his f**k bunny ad this further sets the screws. Farang start telling them they love them, you're so beautiful...that sort of shit, and it's over. "If he loves me, he will understand I need money for my family." But most don't want to pay off a plot of land or build a house for family honor - why the f**k would they??? The dummies who do this end up tossed out on their asses because they're the outsider and most importantly, they don't have any money left.

The thing is, some of the Thai farmers are in a never ending revolving door of idiotic behavior.

Mama give me land when she die, I need to make money from the land. Mama want me do this.
I have no money for plant rice and no buffalo. I need borrow money.

They borrow a million baht against the land, buy a little truck for 500-600K baht, get what they need, and then the money is gone. The rice and farm doesn't earn them enough to pay off the bills, so little Noi - she so lovely - she need work, make money. So Noi's family has a friend in Pattaya, she own restaurant. But it's not a restaurant, it's a bar with a little restaurant in the back. She starts whoring to help the family.

In the mean time, Papa is drinking and doesn't work as much as he should because he's very old (54). Mama sick all the time, buffalo stupid and not want work. We sell rice only little bit and eat too. No money. So I f**k for money...why I bad girl? I help family.

This is pretty much dead on how it goes. BUT - if they just kept the land, f***ing went to work, got married, started saving, AND THEN bought what they needed for the land to produce, they'd be far better off. They owe on a truck, etc., Papa no money for pay - then what the f**k did he but it for??? The guy earns 10,000 baht a month but he's buying a new truck for 600K??? Yea, that's f***ing logic. And so it goes....and keeps going, and keeps going...

I don't think Thai is anywhere near as difficult as learning Spanish or Burmese.

That said, for those willing to put in a little bit of work, it is relatively easy to hook up with a decent woman. The good ones are definitely keepers but I think the mistake most men make is rushing into a relationship since they're away from their home playing field. Thai women that are good are excellent and will stay with you through the depths of hell if you want them to. The bad ones, you just give em a boot in the a** as soon as they screw up and don't give em a second chance.

Like I've said and like Thai men do...

Use the bar girls and massage parlor women for what they are intended - SEX. During any dry spells or when you're forming relationships with decent women, you use them to take care of your needs. This way, the urge for sex is lessened and you can take your sweet a** time and weed the good from bad. Most Thai women do not have it in them to keep up a charade long-term (like a year or more) and within a month or two most will reveal their true character.

OOF! That was deep, raw, dark, and scathing material! Now that is the kind of stuff that makes you a such a beloved expert on Thailand. I can also see why it is very difficult to get that kind of message into a 7-8 minute long video. Sometimes these guys hear a simple message (Don't date pros) and tune out hard...All these MGTOW are very hardheaded people, no one can tell them any fuggin thing (ie Dick got wet once from p4p, so now they are an expert on p***y and women), inclined to now question every little f***ing thing they see. Sometimes that "Throwing a shoe at the wall near their head" will make them wake up.

Ghost wrote:
I have no doubts that it's a sexual paradise and a Western guy could easily f***s lots of women. P4p capital of the world and all...Actually being there makes it different. What I see on online dating is that Thai women seem somewhat picky. Just from observing Date in Asia, it looks like this in terms of being choosy: Filipinas --> Vietnamese --> Thai --> Chinese. I just can't see it as a serious place to date, and that's why my focus is on the Philippines instead.

And Thai being easier to learn than Spanish? You've said some.....strange things here, but that's got to be one of the strangest. For an English speaker, I don't see how that could even be possible.

I'm planning to go to Thailand for exactly what it should be for. To each his own though. *tips hat*

Thai women are somewhat picky. They have millions of visitors every year to support this. Online profiles are a good read into the general consensus of a place. Your list "Filipinas --> Vietnamese --> Thai --> Chinese" is quite accurate imo.
If you're in your 20's or early 30's and wanto have fun. Thailand is a better alternative to ph imo, as Filipinas it would seem, generally prefer guys a little bit older. If you're 40+ and want the same, and/or a relationship, ph is going to be better.
Thai isn't a difficult language to learn. It's the tones that throw most foreigners off. One you learn the tones correctly and a few of the non English sounds, it's very easy and fun to learn Thai.

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Good video, to find a good women in Thailand you need to find one who has a job and not working in a bar and asking you for money she can waste on stuff

Just like the Op said, its time to wise up...don't fall for just a pretty face, there are much better Asian women.

Its embarrassing when I walk down the street in Thailand and the bar promoter guys say 'Boom Boom, massage show sir' with a chuckle, because they know its a big game.. but I just laugh back because I have had a long term Thai partner

Ghost wrote: Yeah, I agree with your assessment also. I do want to visit Thailand for fun, and I'm in my mid-twenties. And likewise Philippines is my destination for a relationship. I'm assuming Thai is very similar or at least somewhat similar to Chinese. I find the four tones of Chinese difficult to produce consistently. Even so, I am making some headway on basic things. I just found aAiB's notion that Thai is easier to learn than Spanish to be odd. Spanish has the same essential alphabet with one or two added letters, is dead easy to pronounce even for beginners, and has tons of cognates with English. Thai has tones, a different alphabet, and probably no cognates with English. I'm not saying it is difficult - I don't know - but there's no way it's easier than a language like Spanish, for a native English speaker at least.

"I'm assuming Thai is very similar or at least somewhat similar to Chinese."

The tones are very similar between Thai and Mandarin. I'm learning Mandarin now and having learned Thai beforehand, it's put me much further ahead than someone starting from scratch at tonal languages. Thai is easier to learn than Mandarin as a whole, but for speaking purposes only, I don't think there's any difference in difficulty between the two. The grammar of both languages is quite simple and similar to each other in structure. Once you begin learning either language, their grammar system actually makes more sense. It's uncomplicated in comparison to English. They don't have all the verb tenses that English possesses. Which is why it's so difficult for them to grasp English.

The reason Thai is easier than Mandarin is obviously because they have an alphabet (Thai script) as opposed to thousands of characters. Personally though, I wouldn't spend valuable time learning to read either language as the reward versus time spent is peanuts compared to the practical value of speaking and listening. That being said, it's extremely helpful to learn the sounds of each Thai script character for pronunciation purposes when you learn to speak Thai (if you want to learn to hold a conversation, and not just tourist jargon). Reason being, there are a few different forms of transliteration used, and depending on which book you're using, it becomes confusing which sound you're expected to make. By knowing the sound of the script, there's no question, you will save a lot of time in the long run, and Thai's will understand you much better as you'll sound very clear. For Chinese, this isn't a problem, because Pinyin was created by the Chinese, and this is the system they use in school before they learn Characters. Pinyin is essentially the genuine Mandarin alphabet.

Initially when I began learning Thai, was learning to read also, but it's very time consuming and I felt my time was better spent learning conversation. However, by learning the characters, you will, after learning a few basic rules, be able to read Thai to some degree. If you stay in Thailand to work, it is worth learning that little bit as you'll be able to read a waitresses' name badge, know which toilet is the men's or women's, order from a menu, impress the ladies, show off to your friends, other than that, not much value haha.

Thai and Mandarin are definitely more difficult to learn than Spanish if you include reading and writing skills. But if you are only learning to listen and speak either language, and you've already overcome the hurdle of learning the tones and pronunciation (learning Thai script), then the playing field is leveled out. And this hurdle can be overcome in one month if you apply yourself.