Are these things true about China?

[Yohan]

Every Chinese citizen I met so far assured me as long as you do not question openly the Communist Party and pestering it with Western USA-style BS-nonsense issues (religious rights, human rights, etc.) and have no criminal record, you are pretty fine. Nowadays life is not so bad in China in general and you can do more or less what you want. Up to you.

Religious rights and human rights are nonsense issues, lol. For someone with as much legit valuable wisdom to share I'm always amazed at how illiberal you are.

Living in Japan, of course I am sceptical about China, not my favorite country at all, but I am not trying to make China worse than it is in reality.
China is not such a poor country and many Chinese people have a fairly good life.

I do not consider my reaction as 'liberal' (whatever 'liberal' should mean) if you are coming from USA to Asia and try to teach those countries what their government and citizens should or should not do because in USA everything is so much better, and this and that is 'their rights' and similar BS-talk.

USA should better look after their own - often very serious - internal problems instead of lecturing countries of a different culture and telling them what they do is wrong and what USA is doing is right...

USA has a remarkable huge prison population, serious racial issues, is legally seen a mess, is suffering of a gun culture with millions of illegal firearms, more than half a million homeless sleeping in the streets, poor labour rights and even has no medical cover for all its citizen. Think about that! Look at all these violent riots in the States during the last months and the damages, looting and arson....

Streets in China are much safer than in the USA, despite the country has 4 times more population , nevertheless China has less people in jail than USA.

There are various comments in this HA-Forum which even claim that China is more liberal than USA....
True or not, check it out....

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[Winston]

Yohan,
Do u agree that the US media too overly harsh and negative about China? Zboy1 and ethan_sg feel so too. They always make China look like a horrible place with zero good qualities. Why do they do that? Most of their criticisms are extreme and unfair and distorted and no one dares to correct them. Not even China rebuts the US media point by point. Why not? Why doesnt China hire media people to correct US media lies point by point? Are Chinese incapable of logical debate?

Yes its true that in any Chinese city you can walk around at night at 2am and feel totally safe. Not so in Detroit or Chicago or Miami. Why cant the US media point that out and be more balanced in its coverage? CNN claims that truth matters so why doesnt it mention truths like that?

Also cost of living in China is lower and u arent obligated to leave tips in restaurants and u can check out of hotels at 3pm compared to 11am in American hotels, etc. Why does no one have the guts to point that out? Do online magazines like China Smack point that out even? Are they pro or anti China?

[MarcosZeitola]

@Winston China is not a bad place to live at all. If you have a stable job, it can even be a great place to live. It just isn't a very free place when it comes to freedom of speech and such things. Like America lets you believe in all the conspiracy theories you wish and call the President a faggot to your heart's content. In China, that sort of thing can get you in problem. In America, half the nation is a 'political dissident', depending on who's in the White House. In China, if you're a dissident or a critical thinker, you're done for unless you kiss the government's ass in public and only express your criticism in private.

Of course America's media demonizes China too much, to the point where one would think it's some sort of North Korea 2.0 which is of course ridiculous, places like Macau are very wordly for example. And Shenzen is quite sophisticated too in many ways. Beijing and other places have a lot of great culture, great cuisine... and if you have a good income, you can live like a King. Just not a very outspoken King... a subdued one. Try raising the issue of Taiwan with a Chinese person, or HK, and you'll see how pissy folks get. You can be guaranteed that, as brainwashed as the average American may be by Fox News and CNN, the average Chinese is brainwashed twice as much.

[Yohan]

Yohan,
Do u agree that the US media too overly harsh and negative about China? Zboy1 and ethan_sg feel so too. They always make China look like a horrible place with zero good qualities....

Yes, I agree with you of course, it is not only about China however.

Why is it so? I think life in USA is getting worse while several Asian countries are doing better in many ways.

Here in Japan often people feel USA media is negative about all and everything what is going on in Asian countries - it's really not only about China and North Korea. We here in Japan also receive a lot of stupid negative comments which are either untrue or outdated.

However Chinese are reacting angrily and loudly, but Japanese people merely ignore or laugh about such negative articles and the Japanese government never replies to such reports.

I give you a few examples about Japan and US-media. You might discuss about censorship in China, but to publish deliberately untrue, outdated or incomplete articles about other countries is also a form of brainwashing (how good is our life in the States....)

A few months ago Yahoo webpages and NYTimes/JapanTimes cancelled the possibility for readers to add comments to their articles. I cannot even tell them now that what your media is reporting is untrue or full of errors. - Is this not some way of censorship to make us silent?

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Some examples:

1 -
It was reported that there are vending machines, where used underwear (yellow in front, red in the middle and brown behind) of minor age schoolgirls are sold to pervert men. However this is pure fabrication, such machines never existed. Japanese hygiene laws are very strict about that. There are vending machines however near nightclubs, hostess-clubs etc. which sell NEW underwear frequently bought as a gift by a male customer. Yes, we have in Japan so many vending machines, selling all and everything - what is wrong with that?

2 -
It was reported that in Japan in gas-stations photo-magazines of naked women, often minors, are offered by staff to truck and taxi drivers during waiting time, however what was not reported is the fact that all those pictures were censored and pixilated due to Japanese law and that happened many years ago.

Nowadays in most gas-stations in Japan there is no service staff, it's self-service/creditcard use. There is no waiting room anymore and there are no porn-mag anymore - if you want to see naked women uncensored you have to use your own i-Pad and free-WiFi. Porn-printed magazines are a part of the past, now such stuff is distributed by digital photography using the internet of course.

3 -
There were reports about public bathrooms connected to a hot spring in rural areas, where both, men and women are naked and are using the same pool. True, but also a part of the past. Those men and women in villages, rather old people, knew each other of course, they were naked, but covered their private parts with towels and men and women were sitting on the opposite side of the pool - and like it or not in USA, but in Japan the female breast (often very flat) was never considered as obscene.

4 -
A man from USA, after a case of child mistreatment in Japan, published a comment in a newspaper about how badly Japanese are treating their children and what Japan all has to learn from USA.

I replied to him he better checks about the situation in his own country. Never received a reply of course.

In Japan 54 children died of abuse, in USA (source from US government) there are about 1,770 children.

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13209121
https://www.acf.hhs.gov/media/press/202 ... a-released

What should Japan learn from USA? Check the reports, link above, for yourself....

[yick]

The thing about China is you know what it is all about 'know before you go', they even tell you before you turn up what you can and can't do - I have no interest in converting heathen Chinese into whatever whackjob sect I belong to - they will just kick you out of the country - politely, one day you will be here and next you will be advised to buy a one way ticket home by a certain date and once you get past the departure gate, you'll never return.

Democracy isn't doing a massively good press in this country down to the mess of the latest US election and the response of the west towards COVID-19 - saying that, lots of good things about living here, it is safe and peaceful - I am not going to get mugged or kidnapped like I would in parts of South America, there are no 'no-go' areas where if I am not a local I am going to get mugged - in a lot of South American major cities - there are places you simply can't go to because you are going to get robbed and possibly murdered, there are loads of pretty and cute girls and the food is good, it is also getting more and more convenient for a foreigner to live here - I can buy a bigger range of groceries here than I can do back home (though it is expensive...) I like the weather - I don't care about calling the leader a twat! I reserve that for the leader of my country who is an actual twat rather than the leader of China who is at least competent at his job and from what I know, people like him.

The one thing about living in Asian societies is that they're all sensitive and hyper-nationalistic - well, that is true about Thailand, China and South Korea - if you start on their food or their border spats or the King (in the case of Thailand...) it's all 'fighting words' I am sure if you criticize the Philippines of Indonesia to the locals they're not going to be happy but it isn't about the actual system in place in China - if it was a fascist state or even a democracy it would still be the same deal - they see criticism of their country as criticism of them but it isn't just the Chinese - a lot of Asians are like that in regards their own country.

[flowerthief00]

@Yohan
That's nice, but the meaning of liberal that I had in mind is not dependent on the US at all. The first definition that comes up on Google works for me:

"Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise."

Illiberal, then, would mean not that.

[Winston]

@Yohan
That's nice, but the meaning of liberal that I had in mind is not dependent on the US at all. The first definition that comes up on Google works for me:

"Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise."

Illiberal, then, would mean not that.

Dude thats a 19th century definition of liberal. Lol. By such a broad definition no Republican or conservative would be against those things either. The problem comes when u take human rights too far and create special privileges like affirmative action, welfare, social services that require constant taxes, etc. Thats where it crosses the line. And when u push everyone DOWN to make everyone equal. That's when it becomes Communism.

What u dont get is that the elite use concepts like liberalism and human rights to plant trojan horses to hijack and carry out communist agendas under your nose. Most people are low IQ so they dont see it. Watch some videos by john birch society to understand how it works.

[kangarunner]

What u dont get is that the elite use concepts like liberalism and human rights to plant trojan horses to hijack and carry out communist agendas under your nose. Most people are low IQ so they dont see it. Watch some videos by john birch society to understand how it works.

That "trojan horse" method is fascinating, but can you please explain why so called "elites" would even benefit at all from carrying out a communist agenda??? How could elites benefit from communist agendas? Elites are elite because they have money. Capitalism will benefit elites not communism.

[Cornfed]

What u dont get is that the elite use concepts like liberalism and human rights to plant trojan horses to hijack and carry out communist agendas under your nose. Most people are low IQ so they dont see it. Watch some videos by john birch society to understand how it works.

That "trojan horse" method is fascinating, but can you please explain why so called "elites" would even benefit at all from carrying out a communist agenda??? How could elites benefit from communist agendas? Elites are elite because they have money. Capitalism will benefit elites not communism.

It depends on the circumstances. For a time, Capitalism will benefit you (ie the elites) because you can employ people and sell products and services to them. But then when you consolidate everything and own the world, the relationship becomes different. Then people cease to be customers and become livestock on your farm, and if you farm is overstocked you deal with the situation.

[gsjackson]

What u dont get is that the elite use concepts like liberalism and human rights to plant trojan horses to hijack and carry out communist agendas under your nose. Most people are low IQ so they dont see it. Watch some videos by john birch society to understand how it works.

That "trojan horse" method is fascinating, but can you please explain why so called "elites" would even benefit at all from carrying out a communist agenda??? How could elites benefit from communist agendas? Elites are elite because they have money. Capitalism will benefit elites not communism.

It depends on the circumstances. For a time, Capitalism will benefit you (ie the elites) because you can employ people and sell products and services to them. But then when you consolidate everything and own the world, the relationship becomes different. Then people cease to be customers and become livestock on your farm, and if you farm is overstocked you deal with the situation.

Great framing of the matter, Corn. Once they kill the capitalist model and we're no longer needed customers then our existence becomes very tenuous.

[kangarunner]

But then when you consolidate everything and own the world, the relationship becomes different. Then people cease to be customers and become livestock on your farm, and if you farm is overstocked you deal with the situation.

@Cornfed Can you please clarify what you mean by "if your farm is overstocked you deal with the situation.". I'm not understanding.

[xiongmao]

I think everything on OP's list is true.

They seemed to leave me alone while I was there though. I passed invisibly through a few checkpoints on the metro when I was there, as they were only looking for Chinese.

My main gripe with China was that is was so F*cking boring.

[Moretorque]

But then when you consolidate everything and own the world, the relationship becomes different. Then people cease to be customers and become livestock on your farm, and if you farm is overstocked you deal with the situation.

@Cornfed Can you please clarify what you mean by "if your farm is overstocked you deal with the situation.". I'm not understanding.

If you have not figured it out yett they are going to be doing depopulation...

[Cornfed]

But then when you consolidate everything and own the world, the relationship becomes different. Then people cease to be customers and become livestock on your farm, and if you farm is overstocked you deal with the situation.

@Cornfed Can you please clarify what you mean by "if your farm is overstocked you deal with the situation.". I'm not understanding.

The global elite have consolidated control over most property and will now grind everything down and kill about 90% of the world population, as they don't need them any more.

[HouseMD]

But then when you consolidate everything and own the world, the relationship becomes different. Then people cease to be customers and become livestock on your farm, and if you farm is overstocked you deal with the situation.

@Cornfed Can you please clarify what you mean by "if your farm is overstocked you deal with the situation.". I'm not understanding.

The global elite have consolidated control over most property and will now grind everything down and kill about 90% of the world population, as they don't need them any more.

Ah, you, always forgetting that the whole purpose of being in power is the sway it gives you over people. Killing 90% of the population inherently causes one to lose 90% of their power, you don’t obliterate the masses, you subjugate them