Anyone tried South Korea recently?

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Natural_Born_Cynic wrote:
January 2nd, 2023, 9:04 am
@Cornfed
I don't know what you mean by nonsense make-work jobs. But Korean men do waste lot of time in the office. They have to leave when their supervisor chose to leave despite having no work I think like 7pm of 8pm. After that sometimes they have to attend mandatory dinner with the company boss or employees. They do surely waste lot of time. The dinner can last up to midnight or 1am to 2am. The Korean government tries to fix that by implementing 52hours a week policy.. but its not working. Korean female workers also waste lot of time surfing on the internet and looking for shopping their latest handbag or plastic surgery.

The added bonus is that the Korean employees gets to be abused by their bosses similar to Full Metal jacket style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxf17y ... LanceBoyle
I'd seen that clip before. I had to look up some of the garbage that drill sergeant was saying to know what it meant. If there were a drill sergeant saying that kind of stuff, hitting a man's private parts, I'd suspect he was a homosexual trying to groom soldiers or find gay partners. That's some pretty nasty talk.

I don't know if managers are that bad, typically, in South Korea. I think they are more into harmony there. But I did see a couple of very young soldiers on the streets, totally drunk, where one of them was pulling that drill sergeant type stuff yelling in the face of another soldier, then kicked his butt, literally. I hear if a soldier is slightly higher ranked than the other, the lower ranked soldier has to salute and obey. I didn't know what the two drunk soldiers were saying or I might have tried to intervene with a friendly greeting to distract the angry drunk soldier. I didn't have enough information to do that.

One of my fellow American teachers said Koreans worked long hours, but they didn't work that hard, just stayed around the office a long time, whereas Americans put in their time, worked more intensely, then went home. That was one thing I didn't like about what I knew of Korean culture-- excessively long work hours. Of course, I did work at a company, on salary, where long hours was the norm-- in the office at 7:30 AM and people stayed late, so while you could technically leave at 5, you kind of needed to stay around until 6 or later to fit in and because work piled up if you didn't. And we had to keep track of what we were doing all the time in a log and divide how we spent our hours at the end of the month. That was in Indonesia, but working for an English company.


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January 2nd, 2023, 11:12 am
...I remember there was a little bit of the plastic surgery stuff going on in the 1990's, or maybe we were talking about trends in Japan. An expat who'd spent a lot of time in Thailand did not like the plastic surgery because he said they try to change their eyes and what he thinks is so pretty about them is the almond shaped eyes.

So I am wondering if pretty girls have plastic surgery so they can all look about the same, like pop stars, or if it is just the homely girls who have surgery to deceive men and others into thinking that they are naturally good-looking. :)

Do they do the unnatural top-lip thing, where they make their top lips look so fat that they couldn't possible be natural?
The trend to plastic surgery - the majority are women - is about the same in Japan and Korea. Countless women show up in such medical clinics with their beauty problems. A big business.

Requests are however with some limits only, as people with tattoos, piercings, strange lips etc. are not welcome by society in general - such people might be sometimes considered as related to organized crime members and are refused entrance to hotels, restaurants, public bath etc...

I am against such crazy medical treatments. Better use your money for something else. Nobody in my family was ever interested in such treatment.

Many Japanese/Korean young people who are into such stuff prefer painted tattoos which color will disappear within a few weeks, or piercings which can be removed easily. Apply for a job - you show up like a punk and you are out before you even enter the office to introduce yourself.
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However often beauty surgery makes indeed sense, for example to fix the position of ears, nose and teeth - also dermatology to remove and treat skin related issues can help to look better. Knee surgery is quite common to bring both legs back to a straight position again.
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January 2nd, 2023, 9:04 am
... Korean men do waste lot of time in the office. They have to leave when their supervisor chose to leave despite having no work I think like 7pm of 8pm. After that sometimes they have to attend mandatory dinner with the company boss or employees. They do surely waste lot of time. The dinner can last up to midnight or 1am to 2am. The Korean government tries to fix that by implementing 52hours a week policy.. but its not working. Korean female workers also waste lot of time surfing on the internet and looking for shopping their latest handbag or plastic surgery.
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Lot of Koreans commit suicide related to work place violence and abuse. But it seems nobody gives a sh*t about that because employees are worth less than amphibian sh*t :-D. And the pay is not that good anyway. Despite working lot of overtime. Lot of unpaid overtime and when the employee complain about the company or threaten to report to the labor department, the employer just tells him to f*ck off and the labor department doesn't even give a damn either.
The system in Korea is about the same as here in Japan, but in general Japanese people are more calm and polite and more considerate, the law also regulates working time with 8 hours per day, 40 hours per week. Far less than in Korea, and Japan has also a lot of holidays and also some additional individual vacation days. Of course this is not always respected, but still working conditions are better than in Korea.

Even overseas the same. I know Filipinos in Cebu where are various Japanese and Korean owned factories. Everybody, men or women told me, that when they see any chance for a vacancy, they will move over to a Japanese plant. Japanese managers are considered to be much more friendly than the Korean one and take better care of their employees regarding working hours, lunch time, sick leave etc...

Also suicide numbers are a little lower in Japan compared to Korea, but not so much difference unfortunately.

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022 ... study.html
No. of suicides in Japan increased 8,000 due to pandemic: study

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/26- ... 70293.html
26 out of every 100,000: Why Korea has highest suicide rate in developed world, 27/sep/2022
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MrMan wrote:
January 2nd, 2023, 9:21 pm
Natural_Born_Cynic wrote:
January 2nd, 2023, 9:04 am
@Cornfed
I don't know what you mean by nonsense make-work jobs. But Korean men do waste lot of time in the office. They have to leave when their supervisor chose to leave despite having no work I think like 7pm of 8pm. After that sometimes they have to attend mandatory dinner with the company boss or employees. They do surely waste lot of time. The dinner can last up to midnight or 1am to 2am. The Korean government tries to fix that by implementing 52hours a week policy.. but its not working. Korean female workers also waste lot of time surfing on the internet and looking for shopping their latest handbag or plastic surgery.

The added bonus is that the Korean employees gets to be abused by their bosses similar to Full Metal jacket style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxf17y ... LanceBoyle
I'd seen that clip before. I had to look up some of the garbage that drill sergeant was saying to know what it meant. If there were a drill sergeant saying that kind of stuff, hitting a man's private parts, I'd suspect he was a homosexual trying to groom soldiers or find gay partners. That's some pretty nasty talk.

I don't know if managers are that bad, typically, in South Korea. I think they are more into harmony there. But I did see a couple of very young soldiers on the streets, totally drunk, where one of them was pulling that drill sergeant type stuff yelling in the face of another soldier, then kicked his butt, literally. I hear if a soldier is slightly higher ranked than the other, the lower ranked soldier has to salute and obey. I didn't know what the two drunk soldiers were saying or I might have tried to intervene with a friendly greeting to distract the angry drunk soldier. I didn't have enough information to do that.

One of my fellow American teachers said Koreans worked long hours, but they didn't work that hard, just stayed around the office a long time, whereas Americans put in their time, worked more intensely, then went home. That was one thing I didn't like about what I knew of Korean culture-- excessively long work hours. Of course, I did work at a company, on salary, where long hours was the norm-- in the office at 7:30 AM and people stayed late, so while you could technically leave at 5, you kind of needed to stay around until 6 or later to fit in and because work piled up if you didn't. And we had to keep track of what we were doing all the time in a log and divide how we spent our hours at the end of the month. That was in Indonesia, but working for an English company.
Well, it really depends on the manager, but the work culture is very hierarchal and when your boss said "jump", you have to ask "how high?". Verbal abuse is pretty standard. Some a$$hole bosses have a habit of hitting and slapping around their employees similar to that drill sergeant. I don't know if they do that in Japan.. but in Korea it is prevalent. I seen bosses try to strike an employee with a dinning table leg or a pipe. I seen bank manager in some regional korean bank, I think "Nongheup" bitch slapping his employee until one of his ear drum was ruptured. It's a very serious issue and frequently shown in the news. But nothing is done about it. Sometimes even the customers try to hit a government worker, and even civilians are cursing and hitting police officers but both of them can't even do anything about it because they are supposed to "serve the public". The further away from Seoul, the worst the treatment of the employees. I seen Philippinos die of heat stroke working in some dingy dark sweatshop. Philippinos were also given a "dog bowl with some food on it" for lunch while the Korean workers eat at the table.
In short, violence get passed on from top to bottom.

In the old days I think around 1970's and 1980's, my dad told me when he was working, the boss sent his employees down to his country side "farm" and made the employees harvest fruits on Saturdays with no pay. It had nothing to do with business...but they call that loyalty for the company.
It was mandatory and if you don't go you were fired. In schools teachers were allowed to beat their students with a stick if they get a problem wrong. In the Korean military, hazing was very common and many people died as a result but the military covers it up and call it "training accidents".
Exceptions are made if your a white Anglo Saxon looking, European foreigner. White people didn't have to go through all the BS that the native Koreans go through. The South East Asians receive the worst treatment in Korea. I would rather tell them to live in America, at least they don't get treated like sh*t.
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Yohan wrote:
January 2nd, 2023, 10:43 pm
Natural_Born_Cynic wrote:
January 2nd, 2023, 9:04 am
... Korean men do waste lot of time in the office. They have to leave when their supervisor chose to leave despite having no work I think like 7pm of 8pm. After that sometimes they have to attend mandatory dinner with the company boss or employees. They do surely waste lot of time. The dinner can last up to midnight or 1am to 2am. The Korean government tries to fix that by implementing 52hours a week policy.. but its not working. Korean female workers also waste lot of time surfing on the internet and looking for shopping their latest handbag or plastic surgery.
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Lot of Koreans commit suicide related to work place violence and abuse. But it seems nobody gives a sh*t about that because employees are worth less than amphibian sh*t :-D. And the pay is not that good anyway. Despite working lot of overtime. Lot of unpaid overtime and when the employee complain about the company or threaten to report to the labor department, the employer just tells him to f*ck off and the labor department doesn't even give a damn either.
The system in Korea is about the same as here in Japan, but in general Japanese people are more calm and polite and more considerate, the law also regulates working time with 8 hours per day, 40 hours per week. Far less than in Korea, and Japan has also a lot of holidays and also some additional individual vacation days. Of course this is not always respected, but still working conditions are better than in Korea.

Even overseas the same. I know Filipinos in Cebu where are various Japanese and Korean owned factories. Everybody, men or women told me, that when they see any chance for a vacancy, they will move over to a Japanese plant. Japanese managers are considered to be much more friendly than the Korean one and take better care of their employees regarding working hours, lunch time, sick leave etc...

Also suicide numbers are a little lower in Japan compared to Korea, but not so much difference unfortunately.

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022 ... study.html
No. of suicides in Japan increased 8,000 due to pandemic: study

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/26- ... 70293.html
26 out of every 100,000: Why Korea has highest suicide rate in developed world, 27/sep/2022
Oh man.. Korean people just think Philippinos are subhuman dogs(Not me, I am Korean American and I like philippinos). The way they treat philippinos will bring chills down your spine and make your blood boil. Philippinos die of heat stroke in Korean sweatshops and they are fed food in a dog bowl while the koreans eat on the table and throwing racial slurs at the philippinos. those poor philippinos also get verbally abused and spat upon and sometimes koreans beat them for not working fast enough. It's like the plantation slavery days over there. But nothing is being done.
The Korean government doesn't care about the phillippinos rights. Remember foreigners are not legally protected ever. It's very sick twisted f*cked up, racist mentality in my opinion.
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January 2nd, 2023, 11:03 pm
But nothing is being done.
The Korean government doesn't care about the phillippinos rights. Remember foreigners are not legally protected ever. It's very sick twisted f*cked up, racist mentality in my opinion.
I wrote about the Korean and Japanese factories located in the Philippines. And openly said, the Philippine government also does not care much.
From what Filipinos in Cebu told me, to work in Japanese managed factories is clearly better than in Korean managed production plants.

About Koreans in Philippines, it is also often mentioned by locals that there are quite a lot of Korean criminals hiding in Cebu and elsewhere, any crime possible - women trafficking, illegal workers sending to overseas, pornography, selling guns, fraud, hacking into computers and so on.
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http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20230103000600
'For unhappy Koreans, starting families is difficult task'

Population committee chief and ruling party chief contender Na calls for open immigration policy to tackle Korea's low birth rate
Published : Jan 3, 2023

Na Kyung-won, a four-term lawmaker and the chief of the Presidential Committee on Aging Society and Population Policy, said young Koreans are reluctant to get married and have children because their lives are “very difficult” with “no expectation that their lives will be any better and happier.”

Young Koreans living in a highly competitive society have low expectations for their futures, with the thought that they might not live happier lives than their parents. This growing negativity appears to have affected their decision to build a family, thus further dragging down the nation's already stagnant fertility rate, Na told The Korea Herald. Na, a political heavyweight contending for the ruling party's leadership in March, cited high youth unemployment and the rising cost of housing and child care as the other factors hindering childbirth in the country.

The average number of babies born to each couple was 0.81 in 2021, the world’s lowest for the past two years in a row, and the only nation with a number of less than one per couple. Over the past decade, the nation injected nearly 400 trillion won ($313 billion) to address the declining population issue, but failed to buck the trend.

“This gives us a task to alleviate (the issue) policy-wise, but also to approach the problem through social and cultural perspectives in order to bring about a change," Na said.

A recent survey by the US polling agency Pew Research Center echoed her remarks. Six out of 10 Koreans responded that their children’s generation would be poorer than their parents’ generation, the highest since the survey was first conducted in 2013.

The population decline was recorded in 2020 for the first time, and the trend has continued since. From January to October last year, there was a natural population decrease of 95,879 people.

Na said the state’s coffers aimed at tackling the shrinking population have been spent “inefficiently."

“By the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s standards, we spent less on directly related to childbirth, such as infertility and childcare,” she said.

The OECD average expenditure is 2.4 percent of the gross domestic product, but South Korea only spends 1.4 percent, according to the committee head. The nation needs to “start bitterly reflecting” on its inefficient spending which has given no results, she added.

She is now “closely examining" policies implemented by the Hungarian government.

Since 2019, the Hungarian government began offering married couples an interest-free 10 million forint ($26,500) loan. For couples with one child in a five-year period, they do not have to pay interest on their loan and monthly repayments are halted for three years. The birth of a second child allows them a further three-year pause on repayments and they do not have to pay back the loans at all if they have three children.

This was the nation’s bold scheme to boost its lagging birth rate. Hungary’s average fertility rate was 1.49 children per woman compared to the European Union’s average of 1.59 in 2019.

She believes that giving young parents a large chunk of funds at once, as Hungary does, will be more practical in alleviating housing and child-caring costs, than Korea's current approach of doling out money little by little.

“Considering Korea’s GDP, we will have to give about 200 million won (for each couple) to have some effect,” she said. The average selling price of apartments nationwide in December last year was about 533 million won. The average price of an apartment in Seoul was 1.26 billion won.

The Yoon administration, starting in January, has decided to offer 700,000 won per month to families raising newborns for the first year and 350,000 won for the 12 months after that. The benefits will rise to 1 million won and 500,000 won, respectively, from 2024.

To boost the low birth rate, Na stressed that it is important to change young people’s perceptions of some social and cultural factors, such as career disruption or gender roles.

“The reason many couples are reluctant to have a child is that pregnancy and childbirth is a negative factor in their careers, including promotion and career disruption,” she said.

Company support for childbirth and child care should be mandatory, although it will take some time to make this a reality. Na will strive for public officials to change government policies first, and then urge large companies to follow. She recently met with leaders of the nation’s top conglomerates and urged them to adopt such child care-friendly policies.

Although it would take some to see drastic changes, the government is taking some steps toward changing company policies. It recently decided to increase the statutory parental leave period from one year to one year and six months, a measure that is pending approval in the National Assembly.

Gender inequality also plays a role in Korea’s low birth rate.

It is a common phenomenon that as the number of highly educated women increases, the birth rate falls in many countries. But when women with higher education face gender inequality from both society and their families, they are more hesitant to have a child, she said.

“In a country where gender equality is low ‘in society,’ women are still more interested in having a child if gender equality is good ‘in the family,'” she said.

Unfortunately, for women in Korea, “both gender equality in society and family are not good,” she said. In other words, women – who tend to face discrimination in many professional fields – also have to shoulder a greater burden for housework and child care at home.

The Global Gender Gap Report 2022 published by the World Economic Forum echoed her remarks. Gender equality in Korea, Asia’s fourth-largest economy, was still at the bottom, ranking 99th out of 146 countries.

Face reality

Efforts to deter further population decline are necessary, but it is also time to accept the fast-changing demographic structure, she said.

Korea is expected to become a superaged society by 2025, with 20 percent of the population aged over 65 then. By 2035, 1 in 3 Koreans will be over 65, according to Statistics Korea.

In particular, the aging population is rapidly increasing as those from the baby boomer generation are now in their 60s. Korea’s baby boomers are those born between 1955 and 1963 after the Korean War (1950-53), accounting for about 9 million people.

“We used to only focus on raising the birth rate,” she said. “But now, policies need to change to both mitigate and adapt to the declining population.”

Having a child here used to be a sort of “investment” as they support their parents when they grow up, she said. Things have changed. Having a child is only seen as a “cost” and parents are “not ready for their old age” after investing money in their children.

“If young people are well prepared for old age, they may feel less burdened about having a child,” Na said.

Official resources are skewed toward addressing the low birth rate, she said. The ratio of the government budget on tackling the low birth rate to that of aging has been set at "6:4 or 7:3," but it should be reversed.

The nation also needs to reflect on how it can extend the period and terms around the elderly workforce, she said.

“Instead of continuing to support them, we need to consider various solutions such as extending the retirement age or changing the wage system -- from the current system in which you earn more the longer you stay -- so that they can continue to work,” Na said.

“It is necessary to think about enhancing their economic capabilities and creating opportunities for them,” she said. “This is different from the issue of just giving them money.”

Open immigration policy

It is also time to think about things that have been “taboo,” Na said, referring to embracing foreigners to tackle the declining population.

“Until now, our society has been very closed to immigration,” she said. “However, the economy is not sustainable if the population continues to shrink at this pace.”

For a sustainable Korea, the country needs to be more open about immigration, the committee head said. The nation needs to implement a policy that focuses on “accepting good human resources.”

The government announced last month that it would establish a policy system for a mid-to-long-term immigration policy to tackle the challenges of a declining population.

To attract foreign talent, employment-based visa requirements for foreign professionals hired by small and medium-sized enterprises will be relaxed from five to three years. The annual quota for skilled foreign workers will also be expanded from 2,000 to 5,000 this year.

Tackling the declining population and aging society has been a major challenge for Korea. The Presidential Committee on Ageing Society and Population Policy Committee was founded in 2003. The judge-turned-politician was appointed by President Yoon Suk-yeol to lead the committee in October last year.

The conservative heavyweight expressed her intent to run for the party's leadership election to be held on March 8, and is currently ranked at the top in multiple suitability surveys from party supporters.

Na entered politics in 2002 after resigning as a judge and declaring her support for presidential candidate Lee Hoi-chang, serving as a special female adviser. In 2004, she was elected a proportional representative of the Grand National Party, a predecessor to the current ruling People Power Party. Three years later, she was spokesperson for then-presidential candidate Lee Myung-bak and played a crucial role in his eventual win.

In 2011, she ran in the Seoul mayoral by-election after Mayor Oh Se-hoon of the same party resigned amid controversy over free school lunches in Seoul. She lost the election, as public opinion did not favor her party over the issue. She again declared her run for the 2021 Seoul mayoral by-election, but was defeated by Oh in the race.

Na has been acquainted with President Yoon since they studied at the Seoul National University School of Law.
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January 3rd, 2023, 4:36 am
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20230103000600
'For unhappy Koreans, starting families is difficult task'

Population committee chief and ruling party chief contender Na calls for open immigration policy to tackle Korea's low birth rate
Published : Jan 3, 2023

Na Kyung-won, a four-term lawmaker and the chief of the Presidential Committee on Aging Society and Population Policy, said young Koreans are reluctant to get married and have children because their lives are “very difficult” with “no expectation that their lives will be any better and happier.”

Young Koreans living in a highly competitive society have low expectations for their futures, with the thought that they might not live happier lives than their parents. This growing negativity appears to have affected their decision to build a family, thus further dragging down the nation's already stagnant fertility rate, Na told The Korea Herald. Na, a political heavyweight contending for the ruling party's leadership in March, cited high youth unemployment and the rising cost of housing and child care as the other factors hindering childbirth in the country.

The average number of babies born to each couple was 0.81 in 2021, the world’s lowest for the past two years in a row, and the only nation with a number of less than one per couple. Over the past decade, the nation injected nearly 400 trillion won ($313 billion) to address the declining population issue, but failed to buck the trend.

“This gives us a task to alleviate (the issue) policy-wise, but also to approach the problem through social and cultural perspectives in order to bring about a change," Na said.

A recent survey by the US polling agency Pew Research Center echoed her remarks. Six out of 10 Koreans responded that their children’s generation would be poorer than their parents’ generation, the highest since the survey was first conducted in 2013.

The population decline was recorded in 2020 for the first time, and the trend has continued since. From January to October last year, there was a natural population decrease of 95,879 people.

Na said the state’s coffers aimed at tackling the shrinking population have been spent “inefficiently."

“By the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s standards, we spent less on directly related to childbirth, such as infertility and childcare,” she said.

The OECD average expenditure is 2.4 percent of the gross domestic product, but South Korea only spends 1.4 percent, according to the committee head. The nation needs to “start bitterly reflecting” on its inefficient spending which has given no results, she added.

She is now “closely examining" policies implemented by the Hungarian government.

Since 2019, the Hungarian government began offering married couples an interest-free 10 million forint ($26,500) loan. For couples with one child in a five-year period, they do not have to pay interest on their loan and monthly repayments are halted for three years. The birth of a second child allows them a further three-year pause on repayments and they do not have to pay back the loans at all if they have three children.

This was the nation’s bold scheme to boost its lagging birth rate. Hungary’s average fertility rate was 1.49 children per woman compared to the European Union’s average of 1.59 in 2019.

She believes that giving young parents a large chunk of funds at once, as Hungary does, will be more practical in alleviating housing and child-caring costs, than Korea's current approach of doling out money little by little.

“Considering Korea’s GDP, we will have to give about 200 million won (for each couple) to have some effect,” she said. The average selling price of apartments nationwide in December last year was about 533 million won. The average price of an apartment in Seoul was 1.26 billion won.

The Yoon administration, starting in January, has decided to offer 700,000 won per month to families raising newborns for the first year and 350,000 won for the 12 months after that. The benefits will rise to 1 million won and 500,000 won, respectively, from 2024.

To boost the low birth rate, Na stressed that it is important to change young people’s perceptions of some social and cultural factors, such as career disruption or gender roles.

“The reason many couples are reluctant to have a child is that pregnancy and childbirth is a negative factor in their careers, including promotion and career disruption,” she said.

Company support for childbirth and child care should be mandatory, although it will take some time to make this a reality. Na will strive for public officials to change government policies first, and then urge large companies to follow. She recently met with leaders of the nation’s top conglomerates and urged them to adopt such child care-friendly policies.

Although it would take some to see drastic changes, the government is taking some steps toward changing company policies. It recently decided to increase the statutory parental leave period from one year to one year and six months, a measure that is pending approval in the National Assembly.

Gender inequality also plays a role in Korea’s low birth rate.

It is a common phenomenon that as the number of highly educated women increases, the birth rate falls in many countries. But when women with higher education face gender inequality from both society and their families, they are more hesitant to have a child, she said.

“In a country where gender equality is low ‘in society,’ women are still more interested in having a child if gender equality is good ‘in the family,'” she said.

Unfortunately, for women in Korea, “both gender equality in society and family are not good,” she said. In other words, women – who tend to face discrimination in many professional fields – also have to shoulder a greater burden for housework and child care at home.

The Global Gender Gap Report 2022 published by the World Economic Forum echoed her remarks. Gender equality in Korea, Asia’s fourth-largest economy, was still at the bottom, ranking 99th out of 146 countries.

Face reality

Efforts to deter further population decline are necessary, but it is also time to accept the fast-changing demographic structure, she said.

Korea is expected to become a superaged society by 2025, with 20 percent of the population aged over 65 then. By 2035, 1 in 3 Koreans will be over 65, according to Statistics Korea.

In particular, the aging population is rapidly increasing as those from the baby boomer generation are now in their 60s. Korea’s baby boomers are those born between 1955 and 1963 after the Korean War (1950-53), accounting for about 9 million people.

“We used to only focus on raising the birth rate,” she said. “But now, policies need to change to both mitigate and adapt to the declining population.”

Having a child here used to be a sort of “investment” as they support their parents when they grow up, she said. Things have changed. Having a child is only seen as a “cost” and parents are “not ready for their old age” after investing money in their children.

“If young people are well prepared for old age, they may feel less burdened about having a child,” Na said.

Official resources are skewed toward addressing the low birth rate, she said. The ratio of the government budget on tackling the low birth rate to that of aging has been set at "6:4 or 7:3," but it should be reversed.

The nation also needs to reflect on how it can extend the period and terms around the elderly workforce, she said.

“Instead of continuing to support them, we need to consider various solutions such as extending the retirement age or changing the wage system -- from the current system in which you earn more the longer you stay -- so that they can continue to work,” Na said.

“It is necessary to think about enhancing their economic capabilities and creating opportunities for them,” she said. “This is different from the issue of just giving them money.”

Open immigration policy

It is also time to think about things that have been “taboo,” Na said, referring to embracing foreigners to tackle the declining population.

“Until now, our society has been very closed to immigration,” she said. “However, the economy is not sustainable if the population continues to shrink at this pace.”

For a sustainable Korea, the country needs to be more open about immigration, the committee head said. The nation needs to implement a policy that focuses on “accepting good human resources.”

The government announced last month that it would establish a policy system for a mid-to-long-term immigration policy to tackle the challenges of a declining population.

To attract foreign talent, employment-based visa requirements for foreign professionals hired by small and medium-sized enterprises will be relaxed from five to three years. The annual quota for skilled foreign workers will also be expanded from 2,000 to 5,000 this year.

Tackling the declining population and aging society has been a major challenge for Korea. The Presidential Committee on Ageing Society and Population Policy Committee was founded in 2003. The judge-turned-politician was appointed by President Yoon Suk-yeol to lead the committee in October last year.

The conservative heavyweight expressed her intent to run for the party's leadership election to be held on March 8, and is currently ranked at the top in multiple suitability surveys from party supporters.

Na entered politics in 2002 after resigning as a judge and declaring her support for presidential candidate Lee Hoi-chang, serving as a special female adviser. In 2004, she was elected a proportional representative of the Grand National Party, a predecessor to the current ruling People Power Party. Three years later, she was spokesperson for then-presidential candidate Lee Myung-bak and played a crucial role in his eventual win.

In 2011, she ran in the Seoul mayoral by-election after Mayor Oh Se-hoon of the same party resigned amid controversy over free school lunches in Seoul. She lost the election, as public opinion did not favor her party over the issue. She again declared her run for the 2021 Seoul mayoral by-election, but was defeated by Oh in the race.

Na has been acquainted with President Yoon since they studied at the Seoul National University School of Law.
Yep.. I been telling you the same thing in this forum. Except I don't think "open immigration" thing is go to fly for South Korea. It's a very nationalistic and close minded society. if we are talking about mass "white people" immigration then Koreans would accept that with open arms. However, white countries are experiencing low birthrates too. White people don't give birth to lot of kids except religiously inclined people such as Catholics, Amish, Mormons, etc. Blacks, Latinos, Arabs, South East Asians and Indians are having lot of kids. They are going to be the "main candidates" for immigration in wealthy countries. However you know how Koreans treat such people.. Even Japan doesn't embrace full open immigration. Most Gaijins are having hard time integrating. Even Europeans are not liking bunch of brown people living in their countries. Unfortunately European women are not having kids because of their high education and focus on careers, etc.
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January 2nd, 2023, 11:40 pm
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But nothing is being done.
The Korean government doesn't care about the phillippinos rights. Remember foreigners are not legally protected ever. It's very sick twisted f*cked up, racist mentality in my opinion.
I wrote about the Korean and Japanese factories located in the Philippines. And openly said, the Philippine government also does not care much.
From what Filipinos in Cebu told me, to work in Japanese managed factories is clearly better than in Korean managed production plants.

About Koreans in Philippines, it is also often mentioned by locals that there are quite a lot of Korean criminals hiding in Cebu and elsewhere, any crime possible - women trafficking, illegal workers sending to overseas, pornography, selling guns, fraud, hacking into computers and so on.
Your partially correct. Mainly Korean students immigrate to Philippines to practice and study their English there. It's much cheaper than studying in the U.S and the English taught in Philippines there are just as good. There are Korean mafias doing business in the Philippines, you are right on that.
but mostly they fight each other or other philippino gangs for territory. Unfortunately they do rip off and scam other Koreans.

Hmm.. I didn't realize there are Korean factories over there. I though Samsung and other korean companies mainly outsource to China and some in Vietnam. But Koreans just think Philippinos are "inferior" than them. I am sorry, it is engrained mindset for now. I don't but they do.
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Heavy 'gender inequality' is probably good for the birth rate. In countries where employers have freedom not to hire women because they can have babies, and women are expected to marry, stay home, and have babies, there will likely be a lot of married women staying home and having babies.

Why do governments push costs for having babies onto employers? How is that fair? Compensating employers for maternity leave makes sense.

If an employer has to shoulder the costs for maternity leave, can't ask a female job candidate if she plans to have babies, can't ask if she is married, and can't deny her because she is female, how is that really fair to the employer? It might be fair to them if the government paid for the maternity leave, but then that would have to come from the taxpayer or the populace somehow, ultimately.

In the US, it isn't illegal to discriminate against people for being good-looking. A company could hire the least attractive women possible, at least for back office positions, if there is evidence that physically unattractive women are less likely to marry and/or have children. If they are unattractive because they are overweight, the company could lose money over sick days and replacing broken chairs, and also slow productivity. If it can push all the risk off onto health insurance companies for the health component, the numbers might work out to hire fatter, uglier women. If fat women get special minority protection, the government might come to look favorably on this hiring practice.
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Heavy 'gender inequality' is probably good for the birth rate. In countries where employers have freedom not to hire women because they can have babies, and women are expected to marry, stay home, and have babies, there will likely be a lot of married women staying home and having babies.

Why do governments push costs for having babies onto employers? How is that fair? Compensating employers for maternity leave makes sense.

If an employer has to shoulder the costs for maternity leave, can't ask a female job candidate if she plans to have babies, can't ask if she is married, and can't deny her because she is female, how is that really fair to the employer? It might be fair to them if the government paid for the maternity leave, but then that would have to come from the taxpayer or the populace somehow, ultimately.

In the US, it isn't illegal to discriminate against people for being good-looking. A company could hire the least attractive women possible, at least for back office positions, if there is evidence that physically unattractive women are less likely to marry and/or have children. If they are unattractive because they are overweight, the company could lose money over sick days and replacing broken chairs, and also slow productivity. If it can push all the risk off onto health insurance companies for the health component, the numbers might work out to hire fatter, uglier women. If fat women get special minority protection, the government might come to look favorably on this hiring practice.
Yes, Less women in the workforce will increase the birthrate and increase wages for the men. I don't understand why the U.S government pushes the opposite agenda. Probably NWO mandated to depopulate the planet. Even in the U.S, most women prefer to stay home and raise kids despite being in the workforce and being pressured to be a "alpha bitch" and raise to the top. All the pro women initiatives and policies such as putting women in STEM or affirmative action for minority women are HUGE waste of resources and time. The resources are being misallocated! The resources should be invested in Men because Men are the ones who build civilizations and maintains all the machines in society! Not Women! Most women themselves doesn't even want to work anyway!
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It seems, Koreans are not only protesting against the Japanese....However I see only a very few protesters.

Follow-up comments are also interesting to read.

I wonder who these people are, maybe former North Koreans who made it up to South Korea? I remember similar small protests when he was meeting Kim Jong Un im Panmumjong when he was still the president a few years ago.

He is living now in retirement in a tiny village, but it must be a very special tiny village only for the South Korean elite - surely not a small village for the average farmer families when I see these large houses.



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I really wonder what Moon Jae-In is feeling now. This month he will be 70, retired and his dream about Korean co-operation is totally gone. As a student for his political comments he was even serving time in jail. He was really believing that he will be able to significantly improve the relationship between both Koreas, but finally nothing was working out.

I pity him somehow.
He unfortunately failed - but if successful, he would be a very famous respected man now, likely would receive the Peace Nobel Prize.
But he was abandoned by North Korea and now after retirement he is forced to hide away even from his own South Korean people.
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There is also talk going on what Kim Jong-Un was thinking about him a few years ago and what he is thinking now. I cannot help to say, that all what they were doing together was not a fake and not a joke. It cannot be all and everything be a fake, a comedy to trick ordinary citizens.. too many people involved, even up to the US-president.



Moon Jae-In made it even up to Pyongyang and Mount Paektu 백두산 - I was surprised...

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Please don't pity him. Moon Jae in is a communist dog who panders to North Korea while neglecting to take care of his own country.
He has given secret technical documents and blueprints of South Korean nuclear power plants to North Korea and gave millions of dollars of tax payer's money to North Korea. He is a communist dog who secretly gives out Korean people's money to North Korea.
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I am shocked how Koreans treat Filipinos,maybe it's karma that they're gonna be extinct in the near future.

I have always seem Koreans as shallow and racist due to my limited experience with them,and I never liked any of them except the poster above.

Japanese tourists also have an air of superiority and arrogance in my home city where many of them are,most Asians do in general.

I guess they are better than all of us global south and minority type people because they cuck to the Americans since world war two and thus getting help to rebuild and industrialize to become part of the exploitative global north nations .
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