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This guy is excellent in explaining Dating 101 for Russia/FSU countries. There are many exceptions, differences and circumstances.

I would say 70% of the women will fall into this category. They are very similar to sugar babies in the US, sugar baby mentality became mainstream in Russian-speaking countries. It is true that getting a prostitute would be cheaper, faster and easier. If you go there to get laid just look for an escort, save time and money. On the other hand, if you go there to find a wife you need to stay there long term. You will need to live with your woman, see how well she cooks and cleans and how greedy she is. Unless you enjoy being a sugar daddy, no one should be seriously looking for a woman like this guy had described in his video.
There are Muslim FSU countries. I would say Uzbekistan and Tajikistan would be good places to find a wife, if you risk going there.
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have2fly wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 11:40 pm
This is guy is excellent in explaining Dating 101 for Russia/FSU countries. There are many exceptions, differences and circumstances.
He is a Ukrainian Jew who lived in the USA for most of the past decade. I think his views are outdated and he certainly has no concept of the Caucasus countries or Central Asia which are far different.

I have traveled to all of the former Soviet countries (apart from Tajikistan and Turkmenistan) and have lived in several. There are HUGE religious and cultural differences that he is not considering. Even in Russia, you will have vastly differing sexual mores about according to region and religion.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 12:32 am
have2fly wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 11:40 pm
This is guy is excellent in explaining Dating 101 for Russia/FSU countries. There are many exceptions, differences and circumstances.
He is a Ukrainian Jew who lived in the USA for most of the past decade. I think his views are outdated and he certainly has no concept of the Caucasus countries or Central Asia which are far different.

I have traveled to all of the former Soviet countries (apart from Tajikistan and Turkmenistan) and have lived in several. There are HUGE religious and cultural differences that he is not considering. Even in Russia, you will have vastly differing sexual mores about according to region and religion.
I know Turkmenistan doesn't give tourist visas. The loophole is a 3 day transit visa but people need a car to use that and drive through the country.

I haven't read about much about Tajikistan's tourism requirements but I have read about it as a country.
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Light wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 7:08 pm
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 12:32 am
have2fly wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 11:40 pm
This is guy is excellent in explaining Dating 101 for Russia/FSU countries. There are many exceptions, differences and circumstances.
He is a Ukrainian Jew who lived in the USA for most of the past decade. I think his views are outdated and he certainly has no concept of the Caucasus countries or Central Asia which are far different.

I have traveled to all of the former Soviet countries (apart from Tajikistan and Turkmenistan) and have lived in several. There are HUGE religious and cultural differences that he is not considering. Even in Russia, you will have vastly differing sexual mores about according to region and religion.
I know Turkmenistan doesn't give tourist visas. The loophole is a 3 day transit visa but people need a car to use that and drive through the country.

I haven't read about much about Tajikistan's tourism requirements but I have read about it as a country.
I would LOVE to visit Turkmenistan and I will if and when it opens up for long term travelers. Tajikistan, not so much. I am just not interested and Dushanbe is a veritable craphole from those I know who have traveled there.
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On thing that is obvious from this video is that this guy can’t get laid in the Ukraine and his friends can’t either. This video is just the Russian version of what guys in West would say that couldn't get laid and that was because they weren't rich enough. What I will tell you is, that all girls would prefer to have sex with a rich guy over a poor guy. All girls would also prefer to have sex with a good looking guy than an ugly guy. All girls would prefer to have sex with a nice caring guy than an evil man.

I lived in the Ukraine when it was more expensive and I never paid the kind of money to have sex with girls that he's talking about. This guy has no charm or game or anything. I've dated many girls in the Ukraine to get a girlfriend and get laid. I think I went through more than a dozen girls before I got laid the first time. Only stupid guys continue to go out with girls that aren’t moving forward. A smart man can tell who progressing and who just out for a meal and drinks. Once they like you it’s not all about how much money you spend on them. It’s how you treat them. You can have one girlfriend or you can have multiple girls if you can keep it secret, because these girls are jealous.

After hearing this guy’s video it makes me want to go back more, because if you know what you’re doing and your're not a broke assed loser, you will do well there. Losers in the West will be losers there too. I’ve seen it. :P :P :P
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 12:32 am
have2fly wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 11:40 pm
This is guy is excellent in explaining Dating 101 for Russia/FSU countries. There are many exceptions, differences and circumstances.
He is a Ukrainian Jew who lived in the USA for most of the past decade. I think his views are outdated and he certainly has no concept of the Caucasus countries or Central Asia which are far different.

I have traveled to all of the former Soviet countries (apart from Tajikistan and Turkmenistan) and have lived in several. There are HUGE religious and cultural differences that he is not considering. Even in Russia, you will have vastly differing sexual mores about according to region and religion.
Which FSU countries do you prefer and why?
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WorldTraveler wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 10:28 pm
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 12:32 am
have2fly wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 11:40 pm
This is guy is excellent in explaining Dating 101 for Russia/FSU countries. There are many exceptions, differences and circumstances.
He is a Ukrainian Jew who lived in the USA for most of the past decade. I think his views are outdated and he certainly has no concept of the Caucasus countries or Central Asia which are far different.

I have traveled to all of the former Soviet countries (apart from Tajikistan and Turkmenistan) and have lived in several. There are HUGE religious and cultural differences that he is not considering. Even in Russia, you will have vastly differing sexual mores about according to region and religion.
Which FSU countries do you prefer and why?
I'll respond via private message....
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WorldTraveler wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 10:28 pm
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 12:32 am
have2fly wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 11:40 pm
This is guy is excellent in explaining Dating 101 for Russia/FSU countries. There are many exceptions, differences and circumstances.
He is a Ukrainian Jew who lived in the USA for most of the past decade. I think his views are outdated and he certainly has no concept of the Caucasus countries or Central Asia which are far different.

I have traveled to all of the former Soviet countries (apart from Tajikistan and Turkmenistan) and have lived in several. There are HUGE religious and cultural differences that he is not considering. Even in Russia, you will have vastly differing sexual mores about according to region and religion.
Which FSU countries do you prefer and why?
I discussed this topic many times here. Every FSU country has its potential. Georgian women aren't exactly the best looking, but they are usually great housewives. Kazakh girls are very hot Asian-looking, but extremely aggressive. The word is that not all Kazakh women are the same, apparently they are different depending on the family and the region they come from. North Kazakhstan is heavily populated by ethnic Russians and Ukrainians, many hot Slavic women live there.
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WorldTraveler wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 10:27 pm
On thing that is obvious from this video is that this guy can’t get laid in the Ukraine and his friends can’t either. This video is just the Russian version of what guys in West would say that couldn't get laid and that was because they weren't rich enough. What I will tell you is, that all girls would prefer to have sex with a rich guy over a poor guy. All girls would also prefer to have sex with a good looking guy than an ugly guy. All girls would prefer to have sex with a nice caring guy than an evil man.

I lived in the Ukraine when it was more expensive and I never paid the kind of money to have sex with girls that he's talking about. This guy has no charm or game or anything. I've dated many girls in the Ukraine to get a girlfriend and get laid. I think I went through more than a dozen girls before I got laid the first time. Only stupid guys continue to go out with girls that aren’t moving forward. A smart man can tell who progressing and who just out for a meal and drinks. Once they like you it’s not all about how much money you spend on them. It’s how you treat them. You can have one girlfriend or you can have multiple girls if you can keep it secret, because these girls are jealous.

After hearing this guy’s video it makes me want to go back more, because if you know what you’re doing and your're not a broke assed loser, you will do well there. Losers in the West will be losers there too. I’ve seen it. :P :P :P
Out of curiosity what makes a guy loser in the West? Are you applying the standards that American girls and the popular American guys like jocks, chads, gangsta guys, bad boys, and steroid junkies use? Or are you using a realistic standard that isn't influenced by the modern insanity of the Western societies like America?
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Light wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:46 am

Out of curiosity what makes a guy loser in the West? Are you applying the standards that American girls and the popular American guys like jocks, chads, gangsta guys, bad boys, and steroid junkies use? Or are you using a realistic standard that isn't influenced by the modern insanity of the Western societies like America?
There is no way you can be a 'loser' unless you self-identify as one via personal habits or behaviours.

Now for myself, I don't smoke, drink nor take drugs, I don't have a criminal record, I have a degree and a masters degree, I am fit, strong and have good health and many more things - if anyone called me a 'loser' I would laugh at them because I know I am not. It wasn''t always like that though, once upon a time I would have been labelled a 'loser' as I partook in some pretty self-destructive habits but I weaned myself out of them with partaking in positive behaviours - you don't have to stay a loser forever. No one is stopping yourself from becoming a better person.

The thing is that this is where the drive self-improvement comes in because you have to partake in positive behaviours that become permenant where you know you're not a loser - if you're an alcoholic who beats his wife and kids on a regular basis then that is a self-fulfilling identity crisis - how can you NOT be a loser? But being labelled by other people, some of them who know nothing about me, I would put myself against them anytime.
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Light wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:46 am
WorldTraveler wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 10:27 pm
On thing that is obvious from this video is that this guy can’t get laid in the Ukraine and his friends can’t either. This video is just the Russian version of what guys in West would say that couldn't get laid and that was because they weren't rich enough. What I will tell you is, that all girls would prefer to have sex with a rich guy over a poor guy. All girls would also prefer to have sex with a good looking guy than an ugly guy. All girls would prefer to have sex with a nice caring guy than an evil man.

I lived in the Ukraine when it was more expensive and I never paid the kind of money to have sex with girls that he's talking about. This guy has no charm or game or anything. I've dated many girls in the Ukraine to get a girlfriend and get laid. I think I went through more than a dozen girls before I got laid the first time. Only stupid guys continue to go out with girls that aren’t moving forward. A smart man can tell who progressing and who just out for a meal and drinks. Once they like you it’s not all about how much money you spend on them. It’s how you treat them. You can have one girlfriend or you can have multiple girls if you can keep it secret, because these girls are jealous.

After hearing this guy’s video it makes me want to go back more, because if you know what you’re doing and your're not a broke assed loser, you will do well there. Losers in the West will be losers there too. I’ve seen it. :P :P :P
Out of curiosity what makes a guy loser in the West? Are you applying the standards that American girls and the popular American guys like jocks, chads, gangsta guys, bad boys, and steroid junkies use? Or are you using a realistic standard that isn't influenced by the modern insanity of the Western societies like America?
I agree. I get great results with women in other countries without changing anything about myself. American women label everyone a creepy loser, a desperate loser, a boring loser. None of these are usually true. Yet AW are always perfect, interesting, successful just because they are not men. What a bunch of crap.
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Light wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:46 am
WorldTraveler wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 10:27 pm
On thing that is obvious from this video is that this guy can’t get laid in the Ukraine and his friends can’t either. This video is just the Russian version of what guys in West would say that couldn't get laid and that was because they weren't rich enough. What I will tell you is, that all girls would prefer to have sex with a rich guy over a poor guy. All girls would also prefer to have sex with a good looking guy than an ugly guy. All girls would prefer to have sex with a nice caring guy than an evil man.

I lived in the Ukraine when it was more expensive and I never paid the kind of money to have sex with girls that he's talking about. This guy has no charm or game or anything. I've dated many girls in the Ukraine to get a girlfriend and get laid. I think I went through more than a dozen girls before I got laid the first time. Only stupid guys continue to go out with girls that aren’t moving forward. A smart man can tell who progressing and who just out for a meal and drinks. Once they like you it’s not all about how much money you spend on them. It’s how you treat them. You can have one girlfriend or you can have multiple girls if you can keep it secret, because these girls are jealous.

After hearing this guy’s video it makes me want to go back more, because if you know what you’re doing and your're not a broke assed loser, you will do well there. Losers in the West will be losers there too. I’ve seen it. :P :P :P
Out of curiosity what makes a guy loser in the West? Are you applying the standards that American girls and the popular American guys like jocks, chads, gangsta guys, bad boys, and steroid junkies use? Or are you using a realistic standard that isn't influenced by the modern insanity of the Western societies like America?
I don't really think of guys as losers like that, because I know many academic type guys, who may be considered weird in the West, but I'm comfortable with them. If you are considered weird, a nerd, awkward, undesirable in the West, just getting on a plane and landing FSU will not turn you into super stud. You need to develop a normal persona before you go. Most Ukrainian girls do not like steroid muscle men, because I can remember girls pointing out guys like that and saying "he's in love with himself." They are not looking for gangsta types, because they have enough of their own. They are looking for a good man, a good provider. FSU girls are harder on guys than Western girls are. They are sizing you up from the second they meet you. They are determining can I get this guy to buy me something, an expensive gift, take me out to some place expensive, con him out of a lot of money. FSU girls are super players. They have to be because they live in a rough environment. FSU girls will judge you on manliness. If you are a wimp and if you let them push you around and dictate the dates, they will not respect you and just use you. If you are strong you will have a good time. They don't want some broke-assed backpacker, but you have to control your money. This is why most PUA sites say the Ukrainian girls are tough to bed. The Ukrainian girls are smart and don't want to waste their time on some broke guy who just wants to shag them for a week then leave.

After viewing this guy's video, I feel even more confident that I would be successful now that I'm older (but look young) and have money, .
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have2fly wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 12:45 am
WorldTraveler wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 10:28 pm
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 12:32 am
have2fly wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 11:40 pm
This is guy is excellent in explaining Dating 101 for Russia/FSU countries. There are many exceptions, differences and circumstances.
He is a Ukrainian Jew who lived in the USA for most of the past decade. I think his views are outdated and he certainly has no concept of the Caucasus countries or Central Asia which are far different.

I have traveled to all of the former Soviet countries (apart from Tajikistan and Turkmenistan) and have lived in several. There are HUGE religious and cultural differences that he is not considering. Even in Russia, you will have vastly differing sexual mores about according to region and religion.
Which FSU countries do you prefer and why?
Every FSU country has its potential.
Some way more than others. What I can say is older men and financially established men do well everywhere over there. Hands down.

I’ve become adept at deciphering what girls are looking for by the questions they ask. I usually give vague responses to determine how much they are motivated by money.

The ones who are especially inquisitive about finding out EXACTLY where I work are gold diggers. By the way, gold diggers are not a bad thing. It actually gives you a huge advantage knowing that money highly interests them.

The other huge subsets are women who hate their local men, and women who are free spirited types who just want to bask in the energy of a fresh, new type of man.

One critically important thing is that girls who speak no English are the BEST. English speakers have probably dated foreign men and can have any foreman they want. Russian speakers still dream of a foreign man and have little hope of meeting one because of the language barrier. They will be mesmerized by your even being able to converse with them and you will have immediate social proof and high value in their eyes.

Keep in mind that the VAST majority of women over there speak little or no English. Restricting yourself to the small pool of fluent English speakers is a huge disadvantage.

It is a numbers game that you must play to your advantage.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 2:40 pm
One critically important thing is that girls who speak no English are the BEST. English speakers have probably dated foreign men and can have any foreman they want. Russian speakers still dream of a foreign man and have little hope of meeting one because of the language barrier. They will be mesmerized by your even being able to converse with them and you will have immediate social proof and high value in their eyes.
So you speak Russian, read Russian, or use a translator?

I've taken out girls with poor English or ones that can only write in English, but seldom ones who don't speak or understand English.
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