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WesternWomenSuck wrote:
June 28th, 2019, 5:40 am
Lots of men in the USA are white, whereas very few men are Filipino. You would think that since American men are white would have a preference for white women, and so they would all flock to Ukraine to get a wife, and yet they don't. Here are the K1 Visa (K1 is the foreign fiance visa) statistics:

https://cis.org/North/Countries-Send-Us ... sa-Holders

As you can see, Philippines has 10 times as many K1 visas as Ukraine. Why does Philippines have so many more K1 visas than Ukraine, despite Philippines being a non-white country? i think most white Americans probably try Ukraine first and realize that it sucks and then try Philippines.

I have never seen photographic proof of someone and their hot young Ukrainian wife. Even in writings on the internet, it's always a late 20s woman who "looks 19" (yeah, right), and turns out to be demanding and abusive. With Filipinas though, I always see people writing about their 18-23 year old loyal Filipina.

I myself tried online dating in a few countries: Ukraine, Brazil, Philippines, and many others. In Ukraine I got very little attention (almost exclusively from single moms). In Brazil I got more attention. But by far the country I got most attention from was Philippines. My inbox was flooded with messages from 18 and 19 year old Filipinas after a few hours (I am 26). I am sure that part of my lack of success in Ukraine is probably due to the fact that I am not white (I am Iranian), but I don't think this is the only reason. Like I said, I never see guys talk about their hot clingy Ukrainian, but I do see people talk about their hot young clingy Filipina. You might say Filipinas are more desperate for a husband since Philippines is a poor country, but actually Ukraine is just as poor as Philippines - they have exactly the same GDP per capita. It seems like no matter how poor they are, white women just suck no matter what.
I never really got the obsession with Russian, etc. women as wives. When I was a child, I heard about Russian children being sent to spy on their parents. Russian was the cold, atheistic regime Reagan called 'the evil empire.' Russia was presented kind of like the fulfillment of Orwell's 1984, where I remember the guy's wife wanted to have sex to have children 'for the party.' It sounded like a rather cold culture. I think of beautiful but heartless bond villains or villains in other movies. Of course, there is a generation and a half nearly of women since the cold war ended. In an old Jerry Lewis movie, the Americans who sent astronauts to the moon had to marry the man and woman off first for political reasons, but the Russians didn't care. I'm sure there are plenty of sweet Russian women in real life. And past generations of evil Communism may not have damaged the male-female relationship culture as badly as feminism has in the US. But the divorce rate is fairly high, there, still. Is the Ukraine much different, culturally?

Even though whites are still the majority (I think) in the US, some white men do like Asian women. I married an Indonesian. I didn't feel like I had to have an Asian. I liked the looks of white women, too. I was working in Indonesia in my 20's, though, and met my wife there.

I have heard of Filippinas making good wives. We had a military base there for a long time, which is what I think started the trend and the perception of Filippinas as good wives. Online, I see Filippinas presented as easy targets for fornicators for sex or else as good wives. These two are not really compatible. I hear some of the 'nice girls' there have to have a chaperon, a cousin who goes with you on a date, for example. It could be the sexually active ones just sleep with the relatively small pool of expats who visit over there looking for sex.

Feminism does not seem to have contaminated eastern culture as badly. Communism messed up a few countries' cultures badly, like China. But maybe not as bad as feminism for male-female relationship, but I'm not sure about that. The Philippines did not get as contaminated by communism. There is a traditional culture of women being women over there. Divorce in the Philippines is practically illegal, so some people shack up, live with people they aren't legally married, to. But it seems like they have a kind of anti-divorce culture.

I read a post from someone on a forum who said that people said that Filippinas were getting married to American men to scam them. But 25% of Filippinas ended up divorced from their husband while 50% of marriages to American women ended in divorce, so he asked who are the real scammers? I do not know where he got his stats.

I spent nearly 12 years in Indonesia, and I met one woman who'd studied in the US who called herself a feminist. Another old woman was having difficulty getting along with her husband after studying in the US and getting a sense of her 'power.' They have a government department for women's affairs, and women can work, but they don't seem to have the feminist ideology as a part of their culture. So that helps. And women typically believe they are supposed to cook and clean. Some of the modern ones may not know how to if they just work in the office. Also, losing virginity before marriage is a stigma, especially for women, and virginity before marriage seems to be the norm, especially outside of the big city. The divorce rate is relatively low.


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WesternWomenSuck wrote:
June 28th, 2019, 5:40 am
It seems like no matter how poor they are, white women just suck no matter what.
Please keep in mind about Ukraine and Russia and other countries nearby the number of available women to foreign men is much smaller than some badly informed Western men are thinking.

Ukraine has only around 40 million people - Russia only 145 million despite their country is huge.

For example Moldovia has only 2.5 million people. It's surely not a rich place, but not so many available young women for foreign men are around either for sure...From where should these women come from?

Many of these Western men are unable to communicate in Russian, are unable to move around and find contact to ordinary local people, also often running out of time....starting with internet profiles (often fakes) - of course women in night business know what to do with gullible Western men and don't care and various cities are known to be a paradise for female scammers.

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If you watch Russian travel groups in Asia, you will see that the huge majority of them are not solo men as from Europe. Big difference!
Russian men are rarely alone, do not mix up with Asian girls, and are either with their family (often including parents) or if still young they show up with their girlfriend from their own country. Keep in mind that these East European countries still value family life.

One time I had an opportunity to talk with two women from Moldovia who travelled together using a cheap Russian flight for the first time up to Thailand, and we could talk about this and that - they were working for a telecommunication company, good in English and were not into night-life business like some East European women in Thailand. Just two weeks - away from winter season - and soon back home....

They told me one mistake Western men really think about East European women is that the number of available females who are really willing to relocate. Just confirming my observation.

However another wrong Western presumption - and this is the main mistake by their opinion what foreign men think - is to mix up poverty and unhappiness.

This is not the same - yes, they told me many of us are fairly poor, not many clothes and shoes and handbags, not so much choice of food, not much in their rooms, limited cosmetics and hard to save some money for travel - BUT they are NOT unhappy with their daily life, NOT unhappy with their family members next to them, NOT unhappy with their friends around them. It could be better, but they are NOY really unhappy AND not really ready to move away to somewhere with a foreign man....

What they told me about 'poverty vs. happiness' makes some sense.
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When it comes to the Philippines and the men raving on here that it’s the ultimate place to go. It’s basically a last ditch effort because they were out of their league going to Ukraine or Russia. These are top tier women that for some crazy reason average and below looking men hear that it’s easy to get a trophy wife from these places. In the 90s when the Soviet Union crashed. Yes..they had a chance. Hell I went through a recession in Alberta when the oil crash hit and went from eating at 5 star restaurants to eating kraft dinner delight. When rent was coming up. You bet I took a job at McDonald’s to pay for rent and bills and just barely even made that. I took anything to survive. But when the oil pipeline came back..you bet I jumped ship Fast and went back to the good life. I’m sure a lot of Russian and Ukrainian women did something similar as well. What is my experience with Filipino women. They are just as shady as any other girl. My god when the corona hit and everyone was getting cerb(2000$ a month). These women don’t stop eating. I watched a lot of Filipino women blimp up. Must be all that lumpia they crave night and daily. Are they sweet women. Sure...there are some but this one girl that my wife knows is dating a guy in our province of Alberta and engaged to another Filipino man in the United States because her parents are making her marry him or it’s in their religious ways. On their Facebook page recently they both talk how they are in love and can’t wait to get married even though she lies and is crazy in love with the guy from here.

Anyways..long story short. The Philippines is comparable to being picked for a sports team. If your not as successful, good looking and want to play the game on easy mode. Then you pick that player last because what else do you have to go with. But if your a top tier man. Go to russia or Ukraine. Not only do you get a foxy awesome wife. But it says a lot about you as a man. Sure there are scammers everywhere. But I’m sure the complaining guys here aren’t exactly top tier. I’m sure they weren’t slaying women’s hearts in our western society. True facts lads.
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I think the obsession of western men with Ukrainian women stems from the belief that since the country is among the poorest in Europe, many women must be eager to move to the west, for which a good-looking girl would settle for an average guy with an average western income. While Ukraine has undoubtedly a lot of good-looking women, they have plenty of local dating options available (and there are plenty of beta-orbiters even in Ukraine). Even worse, if you as a westerner date Ukrainian women, some may be suspicious of you and think that you are a low-quality man, since you haven't been able to "score" women in your own country. I know it is ridiculous, but nearly all women measure your desirability explicitly or implicitly by how popular you are with other women.

The only way to easily win the hearts of UA women, no matter if you are average looking or above, is to shower them with money and show off your high status from the very first date. It can be quite expensive, and even worse, there is no ceiling (she can be ever more demanding) and no guarantee of a happy end. It is economically better to hire an escort or hooker instead, since they are more transparent about the costs and give you guaranteed some quality time! I know that most guys want a long-term relationship and be loved for who they are, but maybe we better accept that women love opportunistically? And if the opportunity ceases, so does love...

On top of that (as I mentioned), social media provide an outlet for Ukrainian women to become validation addicts, which renders your male attention insignificant.
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Ukrainianlover wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 7:33 am
Anyways..long story short. The Philippines is comparable to being picked for a sports team. If your not as successful, good looking and want to play the game on easy mode. Then you pick that player last because what else do you have to go with. But if your a top tier man. Go to russia or Ukraine. Not only do you get a foxy awesome wife. But it says a lot about you as a man. Sure there are scammers everywhere. But I’m sure the complaining guys here aren’t exactly top tier. I’m sure they weren’t slaying women’s hearts in our western society. True facts lads.
I am from Italy and work in the Philippines. Although I have never been to Ukraine I have met a few Ukrainians and Russians, both men and women, in my profession and while I was living in London and Malta. I really didn't have such a strong impression that Ukrainians are such top-tier ladies. Physically they can't look more different than Filipinas, however if one likes tall and blonde with big noses or short and brown-skinned with cute faces, it's just a matter of personal preference.

Personality-wise, I found girls of both nationalities to be family-oriented, with good moral values, and loyal to their partners, even when they were thousands of miles away. Ukrainian men were fun to be around and they liked to drink a little bit too much for my tastes but I guess that's part of their culture and a way to show the world they're men and can take a bottle or two without much drama. And more Ukrainians than I would have expected were actually devout Catholics, not dissimilarly from the Filipinos/as.

I think lots of men are at risk of being scammed both in Ukraine and the Philippines because they have limited time to choose a potential partner, and they tend to hook up with girls found on dating sites, or "romance tours", where the percentage of serial daters, scammers and rotten apples is much higher.

The reality is that it always takes a long time to...
  1. find someone who might be a good potential partner
  2. get to know them and find out if they see a good potential partner in you
  3. endure the long distance relationship and all the hurdles until the moment when your partner and you can be together for life
Even in the Philippines, the idea that a 50-years old divorcee or retired man, who is nothing to look at, can just land there for one or two weeks and pick up a pretty, unmarried, well-educated, sweet girl 20 or 25 years younger, and instantly convince her to spend her life with him just by virtue or his American passport and his two-bedroom house in suburban Virginia, is just a pipe dream.

Girls who are of more modest means will probably take less time to decide, as their priority is obtain financial security and be with a kind man regardless of age and appearance.

Girls who can pull a little bit more weight, because they have a job to support themselves and/or they are hot and they know they can be choosers more than beggars, will be naturally pickier and won't be found or convinced so soon.

Ukraine as a country and society is generally wealthier and more proud than the Philippines, so I can guess the latter type (not-so-desperate and aware of their beauty) is much more common there.

In both cases, in fact in any country, it just takes a lot of time and effort to find a good woman who is going to be a good wife and mother. I don't buy the idea that Ukraine and Philippines are somehow the land of golden nuggets.
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hypermak wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 6:07 pm
Ukrainianlover wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 7:33 am
Anyways..long story short. The Philippines is comparable to being picked for a sports team. If your not as successful, good looking and want to play the game on easy mode. Then you pick that player last because what else do you have to go with. But if your a top tier man. Go to russia or Ukraine. Not only do you get a foxy awesome wife. But it says a lot about you as a man. Sure there are scammers everywhere. But I’m sure the complaining guys here aren’t exactly top tier. I’m sure they weren’t slaying women’s hearts in our western society. True facts lads.
I am from Italy and work in the Philippines. Although I have never been to Ukraine I have met a few Ukrainians and Russians, both men and women, in my profession and while I was living in London and Malta. I really didn't have such a strong impression that Ukrainians are such top-tier ladies. Physically they can't look more different than Filipinas, however if one likes tall and blonde with big noses or short and brown-skinned with cute faces, it's just a matter of personal preference.

Personality-wise, I found girls of both nationalities to be family-oriented, with good moral values, and loyal to their partners, even when they were thousands of miles away. Ukrainian men were fun to be around and they liked to drink a little bit too much for my tastes but I guess that's part of their culture and a way to show the world they're men and can take a bottle or two without much drama. And more Ukrainians than I would have expected were actually devout Catholics, not dissimilarly from the Filipinos/as.

I think lots of men are at risk of being scammed both in Ukraine and the Philippines because they have limited time to choose a potential partner, and they tend to hook up with girls found on dating sites, or "romance tours", where the percentage of serial daters, scammers and rotten apples is much higher.

The reality is that it always takes a long time to...
  1. find someone who might be a good potential partner
  2. get to know them and find out if they see a good potential partner in you
  3. endure the long distance relationship and all the hurdles until the moment when your partner and you can be together for life
Even in the Philippines, the idea that a 50-years old divorcee or retired man, who is nothing to look at, can just land there for one or two weeks and pick up a pretty, unmarried, well-educated, sweet girl 20 or 25 years younger, and instantly convince her to spend her life with him just by virtue or his American passport and his two-bedroom house in suburban Virginia, is just a pipe dream.

Girls who are of more modest means will probably take less time to decide, as their priority is obtain financial security and be with a kind man regardless of age and appearance.

Girls who can pull a little bit more weight, because they have a job to support themselves and/or they are hot and they know they can be choosers more than beggars, will be naturally pickier and won't be found or convinced so soon.

Ukraine as a country and society is generally wealthier and more proud than the Philippines, so I can guess the latter type (not-so-desperate and aware of their beauty) is much more common there.

In both cases, in fact in any country, it just takes a lot of time and effort to find a good woman who is going to be a good wife and mother. I don't buy the idea that Ukraine and Philippines are somehow the land of golden nuggets.
The philipina pictures you like post as be very atractive top tier would fall to average in ukraine and russia

but the picture girl already big deal in philipines and of what ukraian lover post corect it fits you as mid 40s out shape europeman can find some girl not scamer but stil poverty province darkgirl but go ukrain and lady come you have big agendas unless she near same aging with kid if young she have agenda not with age 45 forener man for sinceres

so we see urkain lover say truth for philipine not A game not B game not C game but maybe D game for D team which eldering man who wana go last chance saloon
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Ukrainianlover wrote:
August 7th, 2020, 7:33 am
When it comes to the Philippines and the men raving on here that it’s the ultimate place to go. It’s basically a last ditch effort because they were out of their league going to Ukraine or Russia.
That tends to be my view also. Ukrainian women don't warm to just any foreigner. They judge you by how you look, where you are staying, how you treat them, and how generous you are. If you fail in these areas, you will not be with any of them very long.

The Phils is for girl poaching on a budget. Granted, there are likely some men who just love the Filipino way of life and culture. But my empirical observation is that many of these men would strike out in Eastern Europe.

About a 10 years ago, a buddy of mine told me there was a spate of homeless American men in Kyiv. Apparently, they lost everything there from stupidity and poor planning. Today, that phenomenon happens more commonly in the Phils as I understand it because that is where the "marginal men" are now going.
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MrMan wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 10:27 pm
I never really got the obsession with Russian, etc. women as wives. When I was a child, I heard about Russian children being sent to spy on their parents. Russian was the cold, atheistic regime Reagan called 'the evil empire.' Russia was presented kind of like the fulfillment of Orwell's 1984, where I remember the guy's wife wanted to have sex to have children 'for the party.' It sounded like a rather cold culture. I think of beautiful but heartless bond villains or villains in other movies. Of course, there is a generation and a half nearly of women since the cold war ended. In an old Jerry Lewis movie, the Americans who sent astronauts to the moon had to marry the man and woman off first for political reasons, but the Russians didn't care. I'm sure there are plenty of sweet Russian women in real life. And past generations of evil Communism may not have damaged the male-female relationship culture as badly as feminism has in the US. But the divorce rate is fairly high, there, still. Is the Ukraine much different, culturally?
This thread is about Ukrainian women and dude you are STILL conflating Russian women with Ukrainian women. THEY ARE DIFFERENT by language, culture, behavior and beauty. I still remember posts where you were commenting on my being with Russian women and I thought it was sad that you can't distinguish between the two.

Russia and Ukraine don't even like each other and they are at war! Russia is not Ukraine and vice versa. Try to let that sink in please.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 7:46 pm
That tends to be my view also. Ukrainian women don't warm to just any foreigner. They judge you by how you look, where you are staying, how you treat them, and how generous you are. If you fail in these areas, you will not be with any of them very long.
That is true to the Philippines and any other country. You forgot that most women are not looking for a short, uncommitted relationship, unless the man really tickles their fancy and they see nothing wrong with it. Decent women looking for a lasting relationship would still be unavailable to men who just want to play, no matter how much cash they spend on them.
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The Phils is for girl poaching on a budget. Granted, there are likely some men who just love the Filipino way of life and culture. But my empirical observation is that many of these men would strike out in Eastern Europe.
Your empirical observation doesn't match mine. Finding a good Filipina who is intelligent, well-educated and ambitious as well and young and hot is hard, too. In both places you can still open your wallet and their attitude might change but...is it love? We know the answer.
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hypermak wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 8:34 pm
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 7:46 pm
That tends to be my view also. Ukrainian women don't warm to just any foreigner. They judge you by how you look, where you are staying, how you treat them, and how generous you are. If you fail in these areas, you will not be with any of them very long.
That is true to the Philippines and any other country. You forgot that most women are not looking for a short, uncommitted relationship, unless the man really tickles their fancy and they see nothing wrong with it. Decent women looking for a lasting relationship would still be unavailable to men who just want to play, no matter how much cash they spend on them.
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August 9th, 2020, 7:46 pm
The Phils is for girl poaching on a budget. Granted, there are likely some men who just love the Filipino way of life and culture. But my empirical observation is that many of these men would strike out in Eastern Europe.
Your empirical observation doesn't match mine. Finding a good Filipina who is intelligent, well-educated and ambitious as well and young and hot is hard, too. In both places you can still open your wallet and their attitude might change but...is it love? We know the answer.
And the mentally ill trolling continues.....
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 10:30 pm
hypermak wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 8:34 pm
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 7:46 pm
That tends to be my view also. Ukrainian women don't warm to just any foreigner. They judge you by how you look, where you are staying, how you treat them, and how generous you are. If you fail in these areas, you will not be with any of them very long.
That is true to the Philippines and any other country. You forgot that most women are not looking for a short, uncommitted relationship, unless the man really tickles their fancy and they see nothing wrong with it. Decent women looking for a lasting relationship would still be unavailable to men who just want to play, no matter how much cash they spend on them.
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 7:46 pm
The Phils is for girl poaching on a budget. Granted, there are likely some men who just love the Filipino way of life and culture. But my empirical observation is that many of these men would strike out in Eastern Europe.
Your empirical observation doesn't match mine. Finding a good Filipina who is intelligent, well-educated and ambitious as well and young and hot is hard, too. In both places you can still open your wallet and their attitude might change but...is it love? We know the answer.
And the mentally ill trolling continues.....
More proof that anything from me can burst your bubble, dude. :)

More crudely said, you have to be very, very generous for any of those young women to want to sleep with a 50-something black tub of lard like you.

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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 7:54 pm
MrMan wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 10:27 pm
I never really got the obsession with Russian, etc. women as wives. When I was a child, I heard about Russian children being sent to spy on their parents. Russian was the cold, atheistic regime Reagan called 'the evil empire.' Russia was presented kind of like the fulfillment of Orwell's 1984, where I remember the guy's wife wanted to have sex to have children 'for the party.' It sounded like a rather cold culture. I think of beautiful but heartless bond villains or villains in other movies. Of course, there is a generation and a half nearly of women since the cold war ended. In an old Jerry Lewis movie, the Americans who sent astronauts to the moon had to marry the man and woman off first for political reasons, but the Russians didn't care. I'm sure there are plenty of sweet Russian women in real life. And past generations of evil Communism may not have damaged the male-female relationship culture as badly as feminism has in the US. But the divorce rate is fairly high, there, still. Is the Ukraine much different, culturally?
This thread is about Ukrainian women and dude you are STILL conflating Russian women with Ukrainian women. THEY ARE DIFFERENT by language, culture, behavior and beauty. I still remember posts where you were commenting on my being with Russian women and I thought it was sad that you can't distinguish between the two.

Russia and Ukraine don't even like each other and they are at war! Russia is not Ukraine and vice versa. Try to let that sink in please.
I am sure they are very different, but both countries were under what Reagan called the 'evil empire' way back when. I know they are in opposition to each other, but from the perspective of people who have never been there, it's all kind of similar, like Japanese and Koreans are similar to Americans, though it seems like an awful lot of Koreans have resentment towards Japan over WWII.

How are Ukranian and Russian women different in your experience.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
August 9th, 2020, 10:30 pm

And the mentally ill trolling continues.....
Don't be so hard on yourself.
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