Sunscreens Cause Skin Cancer, Moisturizers Cause Acne!

[Winston]

Hi all,
Last week, a friend of mine told me that sunscreen and moisturizer are actually unnecessary and do more harm than good. She said that they actually CAUSE skin cancer rather than prevent it, which is why so many Americans have it nowadays, even though they use sunblock or sunscreen. She also said that the chemicals used in most moisturizing creams are bad for your skin.

I always felt this way too, since the Oil of Olay moisturizing cream I put on my face feels so sticky and uncomfortable on my skin, and made my skin feel like it can't breathe. So I found it odd that so many people were recommending it, including skin care professionals. I also have started having frequent pimple outbreaks after using facial moisturizing cream. Once I stopped using facial creams, the acne stopped as well.

Gee thanks Momopi, for recommending this standard skin care regiment that caused me so many acne problems, which I didn't have before. (sarcastic tone) Thanks for believing everything the skin care industry tells us without question or critical thought. . I hope that now, you realize the downsides of what you were told, and its potential harmful effects and bad chemicals.

Now let's look at some basic logic here:

- Humans have been fine without sunscreen and facial moisturizers for thousands of years, without having any skin cancer problems. So why the hell is it a necessity nowadays when it wasn't for thousands of years? This logic fallacy is huge and not addressed by the skin care industry.

- How is it that humans began having skin cancer when sunblock was invented, but they didn't have it before? That should speak volumes right there.

- Humans have evolved under the sun for millions of years, so why is the sun now a dangerous thing that you have to protect against with sunscreen? The sun is the source of life and provides vitamin D for your skin. The worse it can do to you is give you a sunburn or dehydrate you. A sunburn is like a chemical peel, and not harmful at all. Kids get it all the time. It's not lethal.

- How come the blacks in Africa who don't use sunscreen don't get skin cancer, but black Americans who do use sunscreen get skin cancer? That right there speaks volumes.

Anyway, my facial skin has been a lot better since I stopped putting moisturizing cream on it, and using organic soap without bad chemicals on it. People like Momopi would say that I was using the wrong moisturizer and that I should keep trying others until my acne outbreaks stop. But come on, get real. There are thousands of facial moisturizers out there. I can't just buy all of them and try them every week like a wild goose chase.

Besides, I don't have a dry skin problem. In fact, my face is usually oily. So what's the point of using a moisturizer anyway? Why go through all the trouble? It doesn't make sense!

I don't get why highly intelligent and educated people like Momopi lack critical thinking skills when it comes to believing whatever we are told by corrupt sources.

My friend told me that there is a conspiracy between the skin care industry that sells sunscreen and the cancer industry that profits from it. So you'd best avoid them both altogether. My intuition felt that she was right, based on my experience and gut feeling, as well as the basic logic points outlined above.

What do you all think? Have we all been duped regarding sunscreen and facial moisturizers?

Here are some articles I found that suggest that sunscreen can actually cause skin cancer and do more harm than good. One of them is even by NBC.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28796417/ns/h ... damage-it/
http://www.naturalnews.com/001264.html
http://taraariano.com/moisturizer-the-big-lie/
http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/home/sunsc ... cancer.htm
http://www.thebetterhealthstore.com/New ... en_01.html
http://inhabitat.com/study-suggests-tha ... in-cancer/
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/24/study ... ng-cancer/

If you Google "moisturizers cause acne" you will get many hits as well.

[xiongmao]

I think the Chinese idea of using a sun parasol is the best idea - I didn't use sunscreen at all when I was in China, I just used by umbrella. I think it was better than putting chemicals on your skin.

And incidentally my DEET anti-insect spray burnt a hole in my desk, so I kind of went off using it on my skin!!!!

[onethousandknives]

tl;dr'd everything Winston said, but...

I don't use cosmetics besides aftershave. I should probably stop using that, too, but it smells nice. I also shower only with water, no soap or shampoo. Been doing this for about 2 years now.

I know at least with soap, my back acne stopped. The problem with soap and shampoo is, you destroy your body's natural oil balance by chemically stripping it off. So your body has to make more oil to compensate. Try it, after a few weeks your body will adapt and make less oil. Occasionally if you get actual dirt or oil on you, then use soap or shampoo to get it off, but not all the time. Also, dietary factors affect skin oil, too. Too many bad fats/fats in general will make your skin oilier. But more bad fats, ie, transfats, cooked veg oil, is more pronounced imo. However too little oils/fats in the diet, your skin gets dry.

I don't use sunscreen. Just wear clothes. Like humans have always done. Clothes aren't just made for modesty, they're practical. Or tan, the body's adaptation to sun.

Oh BTW, if you need a shampoo substitute, just use lemon juice (or vinegar if you don't mind the smell.) I mean you can use fresh lemons if you got money to burn, but even the cheap lemon juice with sodium benzoate/crap works, especially if it's just on your hair. The reason is, what makes your hair stick up is your hair has scales. Applying alkaline things to your hair makes it dry and scaley, applying acid actually smooths the scales out. So the lemon juice makes the scales go down. The reason shampoo exists over plain soap is because shampoos are less alkaline than straight soap is. However shampoos are still alkaline so you need conditioner. And again, shampoo/soap is fine if your hair has dirt or car oil or coal dust or whatever in it (as I'm sure it probably did in industrial times, so maybe shampoo was a welcome relief) but if it doesn't, it's pointless.

[Renata]

This is one of my favourite home remedy sites http://www.herbsandoilsworld.com/category/beauty/

I'm not into sunscreens as I never wear them ... but I use a lot of oil based remedies. Ayuvedic practices teach that if you have ancne or oily skin, you should use herbal oils to remedy this. In chemistry there is a rule where 'Like cancels like'. So it makes sense if you're a science buff.

Ayurvedic home remedy for acne...
Wash cloth, towel, bowl of steaming water, coconut oil.
After a warm bath apply coconut oil to your face & neck, then place the damp steaming warm water cloth over your face, then cover you head with a towel to trap steam. This will open you pores & let the oil in to nourish & moisterise your skin. Coconut oil is also anti-bacterial & anti-fungal, it will combat the acne. We have 7 layers of skin, most of the time under the demis is damaged & that's the root of the problem.

Most store bought creams age & damage your skin if there are too many chemicals in them. I've noticed Chinese & Indian creams tend to be ok. They have whole natural ingredients, like tumeric, neem, etc. Chinese women age really slowly. They use Frog fat in skin beauty treatments there. I've never tried it though'

[Ghost]

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[Rock]

Winston

Sun exposure to unprotected skin of people with less melanin (lighter skinned people) greatly increases skin cancer risk and also accelerates some forms of skin aging.

Why does it happen more than before (assuming that's true)? Perhaps it has a lot to do with the depletion of UVB blocking ozone in the atmosphere.

Go to sunny Florida and check out the faces of natives in their 50s-70s. They come from an era where people did not use much sunscreen. Many have severe sun damage. Look at skin cancer rates in Queensland Australia which a. is closer to equator and b. has a high percentage light skinned Caucasians.

If you wanna minimize possible risk of sunscreen creams themselves, I reckon physical sunscreens (which use a blocking mechanism to mimic covering your skin with a protective barrier) are much safer than chemical sunscreens (those which penetrate and possibly react with your skin). Best physical ones will have a sizable percentage of zinc oxide and/or titanium dioxide.

[Winston]

Rock,
How do you know those people in Florida didn't get damaged skin from using sunscreens?

How come blacks in Africa or Indians in India, who don't use any sunscreen at all, don't get skin damage or skin cancer? How come only chemically treated Americans do?

You gotta understand that many of the things that are created to help us actually give us what they are trying to prevent. Vaccines cause diseases, sunscreen causes skin cancer, AZT causes AIDS symptoms, etc. The Western world is inverted in that sense. Ancient texts say that the Archons who run our world like to invert things into their opposite to deceive you.

Check out the links I posted above.

[Rock]

Rock,
How do you know those people in Florida didn't get damaged skin from using sunscreens?

How come blacks in Africa or Indians in India, who don't use any sunscreen at all, don't get skin damage or skin cancer? How come only chemically treated Americans do?

You gotta understand that many of the things that are created to help us actually give us what they are trying to prevent. Vaccines cause diseases, sunscreen causes skin cancer, AZT causes AIDS symptoms, etc. The Western world is inverted in that sense. Ancient texts say that the Archons who run our world like to invert things into their opposite to deceive you.

Check out the links I posted above.

Blacks, Indians, Latinos and other ethnicities with high amounts of protective melanin in their skin have a much lower incidence of skin cancer EVERYWHERE including USA.

Ever wonder why skin cancer rates are higher in say Minnesota than Florida even though sunscreen use is presumably much higher in the latter??? Minnesota is full of people of Scandinavian stock while Florida is full of Latinos and has a higher percentage of blacks. The sun damaged Florida natives I was referring to were the minority of very white ones.

By the way, sun cancer rates are a lot higher in Queensland Australia than USA cus that region of the world has a combination of consistently strong sun, lower amount of ozone in air, and a high percentage of white people.

Consider your skin type on the Fizpatrick Scale:

- Type I (scores 0-7) Light, pale white.

Always burns, never tans

- Type II (scores 8-16) White; fair.

Usually burns, tans with difficulty

- Type III (scores 17-24) Medium, white to olive.

Sometimes mild burn, gradually tans to olive.

- Type IV (scores 25-30) Olive, moderate brown.

Rarely burns, tans with ease to a moderate brown.

- Type V (scores over 30) Brown, dark brown.

Very rarely burns, tans very easily

- Type VI Black, very dark brown to black.

Never burns, tans very easily, deeply pigmented.

Albinos, Type I, and Type II are going to comprise the bulk of skin cancer cases. My dad has never used sun screen and had a bout of skin cancer on a small section of his face. But since your skin would fall in Type III category, you don't have much much to worry about regarding skin cancer. So why don't you focus on losing that protruding gut, building up lean body mass, and getting in shape instead???

But for those who do have sun sensitive skin, stick with physical sunscreens. Chemical formulas are the dangerous ones. Better yet, just cover up and avoid exposure to sun as much as possible between 9am - 3pm, even on cloudy days. Harmful UVB rays don't get blocked much by clouds the way visible light does.

One more thing. For premature sun induced skin aging, even higher skin melanin is not total protection. Filipinos (typically Fitzpatrick IV or V) often experience premature aging in areas where they have thinner skin such as their eye orbits. They also often get these huge unsightly facial moles and blemishes. OTH, Thais who are often much better at covering up and even using sun screen, tend to fare much better on the skin aging front even though they live in the same harsh sun and generally have the same skin tones as Filipinos.

[momopi]

Gee thanks Momopi, for recommending this standard skin care regiment that caused me so many acne problems, which I didn't have before. (sarcastic tone) Thanks for believing everything the skin care industry tells us without question or critical thought. . I hope that now, you realize the downsides of what you were told, and its potential harmful effects and bad chemicals.

What I said:

There is no single brand that works for everyone due to differences in facial skin. When buying the products purchase smaller bottles or samplers first to try.
If you want to look younger and better fit, hit the gym. I prefer swimming (don't have to worry about sweating my head off), or exercise bike in front of cable TV when futurama is on.

...and said again:

1. As I've already specified, there is no single brand that will work for everyone due to differences in skin conditions. I use Kiehls, but that doesn't mean the same products I use will work for you. There are numerous Kiehls retailers in Taiwan, to visit them and discuss your needs with the salesperson:

......and again:

1. As I have stated previously (3 times now?), skin conditions vary and I cannot say what products will work best for you. The most expensive lotion is worthless if you are allergic to it.

And, let me repeat again. I use Kiehls products and they work great for me (and my skin). But that doesn't mean the same would work for you.

I always felt this way too, since the Oil of Olay moisturizing cream I put on my face feels so sticky and uncomfortable on my skin, and made my skin feel like it can't breathe. So I found it odd that so many people were recommending it, including skin care professionals. I also have started having frequent pimple outbreaks after using facial moisturizing cream. Once I stopped using facial creams, the acne stopped as well.

If Oil of Olay caused acne or other skin problems on a majority of their customers, do you think their customers would continue to buy the product?

[Winston]

Yeah but Momopi, you made it sound like you had to try every facial moisturizer out there until you found one that was good for you. That could take forever, when the real solution was that they were bad for you. You didn't tell us about the harmful effects of facial moisturizers in general.

Look below. Even ABC News agrees with me and Renata. Note that it recommends using facial oil instead, not that one should endlessly try every moisturizer out there until you find one that's good. See the difference?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SkinCare/t ... d=18629073

By EMILY MAIN
Rodale.com

March 3, 2013

The season for dry, flaky skin is upon us. But before you reach for that bottle of lotion, consider this: Some ingredients in moisturizers can actually make your skin drier, interfering with the barrier on your skin that prevents moisture from dissipating.

"Skin creams can actually increase signs of aging," says David Pollock, a beauty-product developer turned consumer advocate and author of the book Just Stop the Lies! Secrets the Beauty Industry Doesn't Want You to Know. Emulsifiers, binding agents that allow oil and water to mix in moisturizers and lotions, leave a residue on the skin that disrupts your skin's lipid barrier, allowing water to evaporate from the skin faster. "You get a fast shot of moisture that eventually fades," he says. So you use more lotion, and your skin gets drier, and the cycle just continues.

Not only does that expose you to dozens of unregulated and untested chemicals that are ingredients in lotions, but it's costing you money, too. The cure? Look no further than your kitchen cabinet. The very same oils you use for cooking are some of the best moisturizers for dry skin—much more effective than expensive lotions and creams at just pennies an ounce, says Deborah Niemann, author of the new book Ecothrifty: Cheaper, Greener Choices for a Happier, Healthier Life and the blog The Thrifty Homesteader. It's one of the most amazing beauty tricks you may have never heard about. "You can go all out and use something exotic, and it's still going to cost you pennies," she says.

Cold Weather Skincare Fixes

PHOTO: Olive oil can be used as a moisturizer for dry skin.

But not all vegetable oils are good for your skin, she warns. Some can actually dry your skin out, while others, such as canola, corn, and "vegetable" oils, are likely derived from genetically modified crops that have been sprayed with heavy doses of harmful pesticides. To keep your skin soft (and pesticide free), here are the four best moisturizers for dry skin that Niemann recommends:

Grapeseed Oil

A by-product of wine-making, grapeseed oil comes from the seeds of pressed grapes and, says Niemann, is reputed to work as well as over-the-counter creams that cost hundreds of dollars per bottle. Many holistic beauty care experts consider it the best oil for skin, regardless of your skin type. "It's especially good for thin skin around your eyes and neck," she says, and can even reduce fine lines. Not only that, but grapeseed oil is also high in vitamin C, which brightens your skin.

Olive Oil

This is a great oil if you have really dry skin—there's a reason Mediterranean women have used it as a moisturizer for centuries. It provides intense moisture, Niemann says, and the rich antioxidants that make it so good for your insides benefit your outsides, too, fighting free radicals created by exposure to sunlight.

Sunflower Oil

Just as good as olive oil, Niemann says, but a little less expensive. In addition to being a good moisturizer, she adds, it makes for a good massage oil because it's thinner and more slippery than some of the other cooking oils you can use. It also absorbs into the skin more quickly.

[momopi]

Yeah but Momopi, you made it sound like you had to try every facial moisturizer out there until you found one that was good for you. That could take forever, when the real solution was that they were bad for you. You didn't tell us about the harmful effects of facial moisturizers in general.
Look below. Even ABC News agrees with me and Renata. Note that it recommends using facial oil instead, not that one should endlessly try every moisturizer out there until you find one that's good. See the difference?

Facial oils are, in fact, a facial moisturizer product. It would be incorrect to assume that an oil based (or oil-free) product is either harmful to all users, or will work for all users. The real solution, is to try different products and find the ones that work for you. I have no way to tell (in advance) if applying a certain facial oil may result in your skin looking better, or break out in acne.

[onethousandknives]

If Oil of Olay caused acne or other skin problems on a majority of their customers, do you think their customers would continue to buy the product?

Yeah, probably.

[theprimebait]

the only reason people in Australia get skin cancer is because australia has no Ozone layer.






meaning negative UV rays.

soon living in that area will result in massive death.

when the ozone layer depletes in other areas,say goodbye to life on this planet.

[Winston]

I just wear clothes to block excess sun exposure when I'm out in the afternoon sun. I just hate how sunscreen feels though, so that's my reasoning behind it. Wouldn't surprise me if sunscreens and such aren't good for people though.

Sunscreens may have come about because of atmospheric holes that let harmful solar rays in. Not sure if that coincided with the invention of sunscreen though.

Clothes are not going to protect your face though. Plus if it's hot you can't wear long sleeve shirts. You gotta wear short sleeve shirts to feel comfortable, which will expose your arms and hands.

How light is your skin? Are you pale as a "Ghost"? lol

Yeah but Momopi, you made it sound like you had to try every facial moisturizer out there until you found one that was good for you. That could take forever, when the real solution was that they were bad for you. You didn't tell us about the harmful effects of facial moisturizers in general.
Look below. Even ABC News agrees with me and Renata. Note that it recommends using facial oil instead, not that one should endlessly try every moisturizer out there until you find one that's good. See the difference?

Facial oils are, in fact, a facial moisturizer product. It would be incorrect to assume that an oil based (or oil-free) product is either harmful to all users, or will work for all users. The real solution, is to try different products and find the ones that work for you. I have no way to tell (in advance) if applying a certain facial oil may result in your skin looking better, or break out in acne.

Yeah but Renata's explanation makes sense. In chemistry there is a law that like cancels like. So her theory about oil moisturizers is logical and should work for most or all people.

You of all people should know that chemicals aren't good for your skin or body.

[johnponting74]

I don't use sun block. Just use outfits. Like people have always done. Clothes are not just made for modesty, they're realistic. Or tan, your variation to sun.