Japan's MGTOW: Hikikomori men locking themselves

[Adama]

Now MGTOW is only for men who are financially independent? This truly is the dumbest "movement" of all time. Get out the golf cart. I would bet the vast majority, like the average working man, is not financially independent. Just make up the requirements on the fly. I know a few MGTOW who openly post they live with their families. Some in other places even live in social housing (no I will not be revealing their handles).

Those MGTOW always give out Darwin awards for the women who die at the hands of thugs. MGTOW do not realize, they are self-darwinists. They should give themselves Darwin awards for believing in MGTOW. Like the feminists, many MGTOW will die childless, surrounded by fur, and probably some mannequins they use for masturbation.

[Yohan]

I think your definition of MGTOW is just that: your defintion.
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When a movement is as small as yours.....
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Beggars can't be choosers, after all.

About definition of MGTOW, just check out MGTOW forums and blogs and you will see, their welcome text etc. is very similar to my definition.
It's not 'only me'.

I have no idea really, why you are so hateful against men who identify themselves as 'going their own way'.

Basically MGTOW is more or less, what you did yourself - you were looking around in this world, found a woman who fits your requirements far away from your native country, and moved away from Europe to Philippines.

About your comment that MGTOW is 'small', I have no idea what you consider as 'small'. MGTOW/MRM are causing a headache to various feminist-friendly governments everywhere, worldwide.

There is a good presence in Germany.
I suppose, you can read some German, you are from Central Europe? I am not sure....anyway, check out
manndat.de


There is also a good presence in India, check out
http://www.498a.org

There are plenty of MGTOW members in UK
http://www.antimisandry.com

Of course also in USA/Canada...

In my case the MGTOW-forum I take care with some others was created by a married US-citizen in Japan, I am also living in Japan also married, also a female MGTOW member from USA is living permanently in Japan, also an Indian man with us, an Australian man etc.
www.the-niceguy.com

Of course my needs in Japan are not the same as those MGTOW in USA or in Germany, but if you think they are so few, then you are wrong.

If you count only the typical herbovore men in Japan as 'somehow' MGTOW-related, these are alone already millions.

About new members, there is no shortage of them in Western countries with greedy women and lawyers looking for a lucrative divorce - with a divorce rate of 50 to 70 percent in Western countries you can imagine how much money is taken away from men without any justification.

There are plenty of false accusation against men, there is much more offered to women than to men in education, medical treatment, penal system, mother rights compared to father rights etc. etc. - Western society is a place for equality, but only as long as it fits women.

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You said something about beggars, but MGTOW are not beggars, they pay for their expenses out of their own wallet. For the online-Forum I am using we do not even need advertisers, donations not only from me, are enough to keep it running.

About beggars, you have to check out various corrupt feminist and religious charities, which cannot survive without funds from somewhere as their staff are not productive. CEOs of such organizations are receiving a lot of money and only a small part is arriving where it should.

Further this unpleasant presence of plainly lazy Hikikomori in Japan are in this parasite group too. They can survive only with money from their parents and relatives.

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To call me a 'beggar' because I consider myself as MGTOW is quite a personal insult against me. I am not a beggar.

I never took money from somewhere, nobody gave me anything for free in my life. - It was very much more the opposite as a MGTOW, I was always proud to earn my own income with my work over many hours and years in my life.

I give away every month a large part from my earnings, and not only for my Japanese family. I help poor people especially in this impoverished country called Philippines - the country you are living now.

Interesting to notice that MGTOW are hating women so much by your opinion, but as a fact the majority of people I help in my life in Philippines are females, the youngest was 8 and the oldest 88.

For me, it was not only about accepting a Filipina girl and helping her from child beggar to university graduate since more than 10 years - it is also about other Philippine people - I send frequently a lot of materials of any kind, clothes, kitchenware etc. in many balikbayan boxes from Japan since years, I paid for 2 small houses to help some women not to be homeless after a flood, I paid for tuberculosis medicine, I paid for a lot of basic food like rice, noodles, canned food which I gave to poor people etc. etc.

Call me a beggar because of my MGTOW activity, I don't care.

[Yohan]

Now MGTOW is only for men who are financially independent? This truly is the dumbest "movement" of all time. Get out the golf cart. I would bet the vast majority, like the average working man, is not financially independent. Just make up the requirements on the fly. I know a few MGTOW who openly post they live with their families. Some in other places even live in social housing (no I will not be revealing their handles).

Those MGTOW always give out Darwin awards for the women who die at the hands of thugs. MGTOW do not realize, they are self-darwinists. They should give themselves Darwin awards for believing in MGTOW. Like the feminists, many MGTOW will die childless, surrounded by fur, and probably some mannequins they use for masturbation.

About which country are you talking? Western countries?

The vast majority of average working men in Western countries do not need financial help, as they work regularly and full-time for a living. They do not depend on money from their parents, nor are they living of benefits.

About Western women who die at the hands of thugs, I can only recommend them to choose their boyfriends more carefully. I also recommend them to refrain from drugs and alcohol and reject one-night stands.

There are plenty of honest men in Western countries who could not and still cannot find any nice girlfriend. - BTW, including myself a long time ago, therefore I was looking out for a foreign wife. In my case, successful - almost 40 years married and never divorced. As this was not possible in my native country, I was choosing the MGTOW-route - nice to hear that you blame me for that but anyway not your business.

If Western women prefer thugs it's their choice and not my problem. Maybe you should pray a little bit more to the Lord, I am sure this will help and save them all. Maybe your church if you give some additional donation, will even provide them with social housings.

You are wrong if you say, feminists are childless - in most cases they are proud single moms, with children from several fathers.

About your other idiotic comment, I will not die childless, I have children - I do not need sex-toys for masturbation either.

[Eric]

I can't believe the state of how bad things are. I left for China. Just hearing about you guys talk about the state of the U.S. and things there, the work life, the lack of available women... it seems like an incomprehensible place to live. Like unbearable, an insult to a man, just living there. It doesn't make sense to me that there's this culture of "getting as much sex" as you can and often - how does that work? If you hate the women, and they are bad and hate men...will you sacrifice your wallet and your manhood just for a piece of tail? I think they would, mostly.
I just can't think about this anymore. It gives me a headache. I honestly feel like it's whatever philosophy you buy into, at this point. You have to guard your heart more than ever, now, and it's applicable. Then you have other problems.
In an insecure society - where everyone is insecure in themselves & their opinions ... you are not free to express yours, that's why it's such an awful environment today in the Western hemisphere everywhere you go, the more talk about freedom of expression - the worse it is. I can count on my hands the number of times in my office where I've voiced an opinion I've had, while everyone was busy voicing theirs and joking and patting themselves on the back for it - while not being attacked/ challenged...or given a hard time - for absolutely no reason, other than for someone else to be difficult to me; that's the only reason.

It's terrible. I dont' know what's responsible for this environment but it has to be the breakdown of any and all types of culture, social structure, etc. People are insecure as hell - everyone's fighting for their own beliefs, attacking others vociferously as a way of defining themselves and defining themselves by denigrating others - while claiming to be accepting and tolerating others', what no one stops to think about is, that - when you do this you are opening yourself up to new ideas of other people, changing ideas - the very act of debate supposes there is an interchange of ideas. This new 'equality' dictates that we all share opinions, ideas, hear each other out... while still believing our own things, and having our own viewpoint. It is a culture clash, its contradictory it cannot work. Hasn't anybody realized this?
Why do I have to accept your point of view if I don't like it? Why do I have to? I don't and shouldn't.
It's just an awful & vicious environment. I want out of it. The women issue is something different, but linked. To me it factors down to much more a religious and moral convictions more than anything that determine your ideas on sexual behavior and lifestyle.

[NorthAmericanguy]

Hikikomori are MGTOW. They are a subset. Remember that all you have to do to be MGTOW is to be single. That's why half the posters here say I am living an MGTOW.

People also say that people are more or less MGTOW without knowing it, simply by being unmarried.

There is nothing in MGTOW that says they have to get a job. It's mostly silent on this issue. There are around one million of these Japanese men unplugging from their society.

The primary parts that make this MGTOW are that these men prefer solitude over sex, they prefer videogames over human companionship, and they are ghosting.

Don't get me started on the Herbivores. I was about to post on their effeminate nature but I figured this would be enough.

I agree with this.

[Yohan]

Hikikomori are MGTOW. They are a subset. Remember that all you have to do to be MGTOW is to be single. That's why half the posters here say I am living an MGTOW.

People also say that people are more or less MGTOW without knowing it, simply by being unmarried.

There is nothing in MGTOW that says they have to get a job. It's mostly silent on this issue. There are around one million of these Japanese men unplugging from their society.

The primary parts that make this MGTOW are that these men prefer solitude over sex, they prefer videogames over human companionship, and they are ghosting.

Don't get me started on the Herbivores. I was about to post on their effeminate nature but I figured this would be enough.

I agree with this.

Hikikomori in Japan are a sub-group of 'parasite singles'. These hikikomore are mostly young men, but also some women, who prefer to stay with their parents and live out of their wallet, doing nothing productive. They have nothing to do with MGTOW or with herbivore men.

You will find Hikikomori only within families in a good financial position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite_single
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About MGTOW, who says, they prefer videogames over human companionship?

About herbivore men in Japan, they are similar to MGTOW, however it is not because of feminism, but of economic problems.
Herbivore men do not stay in the home of their parents, but earn enough to pay for their own modest expenses.

BTW, there are more young women in Japan who are not interested in a sexual relationship than young men.

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2011 ... anese-men/

In the latest survey of attitudes to sex conducted September 2010 by the agency, part of the Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare, fully 36% of males aged 16 to 19 surveyed described themselves as “indifferent or averse” towards having sex. That’s a near 19% increase since the survey was last conducted in 2008.

As if that weren’t enough of a red flag for a country plagued by a low birthrate and an ageing, shrinking population, women seem to be even more reluctant to consider having sex. While no one is suggesting people of that age group should automatically be procreating,a whopping 59% of female respondents aged 16 to 19 said they were uninterested in or averse to sex, a near 12% increase since 2008.

It is wrong to blame only men for choosing to become herbivore - there are more herbivore women than men.

[NorthAmericanguy]

Just imagine when sex dolls become mainstream in the world. There will be millions of men who won't go near women at all. You think MGTOW is big now, just wait until every man has his very own life like sex doll to play with.

Sex dolls to me are just a very high form of masturbation. A sex doll will not replace a real warm body of a woman that also moves and provides pleasure in return such a oral sex.

Our own bodies can tell the difference between actual sex with another human, and then sex with ourselves. Sex with a real woman can't be replaced and I don't know why anyone would want to..

The closest thing to a sex doll is a prostitutie. Prostituties, for a fee, will let you make use of their bodies to sexually gratify yourself.

[The_Adventurer]

Hikikomori are MGTOW. They are a subset. Remember that all you have to do to be MGTOW is to be single. That's why half the posters here say I am living an MGTOW.

People also say that people are more or less MGTOW without knowing it, simply by being unmarried.

There is nothing in MGTOW that says they have to get a job. It's mostly silent on this issue. There are around one million of these Japanese men unplugging from their society.

The primary parts that make this MGTOW are that these men prefer solitude over sex, they prefer videogames over human companionship, and they are ghosting.

Don't get me started on the Herbivores. I was about to post on their effeminate nature but I figured this would be enough.

I agree with this.

Never mind the fact that MGTOW is an online movement that started in the west around 2010, while hikikomori have been around for 30+ years.

[Adama]

Just imagine when sex dolls become mainstream in the world. There will be millions of men who won't go near women at all. You think MGTOW is big now, just wait until every man has his very own life like sex doll to play with.

Sex dolls to me are just a very high form of masturbation. A sex doll will not replace a real warm body of a woman that also moves and provides pleasure in return such a oral sex.

Our own bodies can tell the difference between actual sex with another human, and then sex with ourselves. Sex with a real woman can't be replaced and I don't know why anyone would want to..

The closest thing to a sex doll is a prostitutie. Prostituties, for a fee, will let you make use of their bodies to sexually gratify yourself.

Better to get a real human than an artificial one. The whole sex doll things seems extremely weird and I doubt it will explode anywhere except for Weirdo-Land itself, the land of whatever they call themselves with their red dot for a flag.

[The_Adventurer]

Sex dolls to me are just a very high form of masturbation. A sex doll will not replace a real warm body of a woman that also moves and provides pleasure in return such a oral sex.

Something tells me you're not aware of the kinds of sex dolls they are working on over there. It's only a matter of time. They will walk and talk and be able to replace a warm body. There's already articles, by feminists of course, about what "rights" they should have, and whether their use should be called "abuse" etc.

[Yohan]

NorthAmericanguy wrote:
Sex dolls to me are just a very high form of masturbation. A sex doll will not replace a real warm body of a woman that also moves and provides pleasure in return such a oral sex.

Not true, but to create a sex-doll for men which looks and reacts similar to a real woman is very complicated and costly, it requires deep-in research.

Something tells me you're not aware of the kinds of sex dolls they are working on over there. It's only a matter of time. They will walk and talk and be able to replace a warm body. There's already articles, by feminists of course, about what "rights" they should have, and whether their use should be called "abuse" etc.

Real Doll was not created in Japan, but in USA about 20 years ago.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/08/14 ... 85036.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealDoll
Most customers are not Japanese, but people in USA, Australia, UK, Germany....
http://aidoll.4woods.jp/en/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ke-4040718

However Japanese technology improved such dolls considerably and Japanese sex-shops introduced a local internet-based rental system/delivery/pickup to hotel etc. for better marketing.

To create robot-sex-dolls to replace humans is not a cheap project.
Japanese estimates are about USD 80.000,- (more than 8 to 9 million yen) per piece for such a top-class doll.

[The_Adventurer]

To create robot-sex-dolls to replace humans is not a cheap project.
Japanese estimates are about USD 80.000,- (more than 8 to 9 million yen) per piece for such a top-class doll.

Still cheaper than marriage, but once they get it working, the price will begin to drop rapidly, and there will only be some latest, greatest model that maintains that price. It will follow the same road as any major technology. The first models will be incredibly expensive, and not look quite real, but it will only get better and cheaper as the years pass.

[Yohan]

Still cheaper than marriage, but once they get it working, the price will begin to drop rapidly

Japanese technicians and designers agree that there are some difficulties, especially the eyes, the skin and the power supply.

If this should be a robot acting similar to a human, some kind of docking station for charging battieries and update data will be required.
About production, some designer jobs are already outsourced to China to make it cheaper.

It is not only about sex-dolls, it is about other 'personal robots' too. Robots will be able to take over some jobs done by a nurse, or doing otherwise some housework in a private home. To make robots walking similar to human is difficult and costly too.

To buy a sex-doll is not what I am planning in future for sure, but in Japan this is a never ending topic for cheap TV-stations looking for 'interviews' and 'social experients'.

Some single Japanese men - who had jobs and own rooms and were financially independent - said they bought such a doll to see 'something nice' when coming home after a long working day, options like different clothes, shoes, hair, etc. can be ordered...

It is a bit strange if some Western feminists are complaining about Japanese men and their habits, but as a fact, most of these products are for export to overseas - as said, it's not what I need - but I am not living alone...

[Ghost]

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[The_Adventurer]

It is not only about sex-dolls, it is about other 'personal robots' too. Robots will be able to take over some jobs done by a nurse, or doing otherwise some housework in a private home. To make robots walking similar to human is difficult and costly too.

This is true. Many of these articles start off talking about the news reading robot, robot receptionists, or robots that can care for the elderly, but they almost always descend into talk of sex robots before it's over. I suspect western feminists are discussing Japanese men's habits because they know it's only a matter of time before these habits are imported into their territory.

We would need fully autonomous gynoids I think - covered with real flesh and all - before the idea could ever become "normal." If you've played Fallout 4, think synths. Fully synthetic humans. They have to cross the line from high-tech masturbation to f***ing another human being. If the robots stayed even a little in the Uncanny Valley, they wouldn't work.

The first robots to gain popularity will probably walk and talk, but not quite look real, and be nowhere near truly autonomous. They will be expensive, and only a few "weirdos" will buy them. Over time, they will look more real, the prices will drop and adoption will be more widespread. Their autonomy will grow over time as well. Look at Detroit: Become Human.

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