The Truth Behind Islam

[Yohan]

@Yohan

1. Re: Malaysia, the vast, vast majority of Malaysia is not gender segregated. Sure, you may be able to find some examples of gender segregation in provincial areas where the PAS party polls well, but that's not typical. Most urban areas in Malaysia are practically indistinguishable from those in other newly-industrialised countries: metro systems, places of worship, street markets, gaudy nightclubs frequented by the noveaux riche. Don't forget, in 2016 Malaysia hosted 26.8m tourists. Tourists are not going to be going anywhere near a country where gender segregation is at all prevalent.

Nightclubs are off limit for Muslims, this is a reason why Muslim extremists are targetting them, like in Bali in Indonesia.
Malaysia's tourism count is not 26.8 m, as this figure includes more than 13 million visitors from Singapore, who are merely walking or driving over the bridge for short stay, like visiting a park and swimming in a lake, filling up their cars with cheap petrol, doing some shopping, as Singapore is very much more expensive and has no natural greenery anymore, almost all of these visitors are back in Singapore same day. There are also plenty of other foreigners on the other side of Malaysia, entering from Thailand, getting their passport stamped, in and out again in less than one hour. Others passing by merely for transit - breakfast in Hadyai, lunch in K.L. and dinner in Singapore. Or using the ferry to Pulau Langkawi, passport stamped, one night and back to Thailand again... Malaysia has by far not enough accomodation to offer hotel rooms to almost 27 million visitors, totally impossible.

2. Re: religious freedom in Malaysia for minorities, the situation there is far from perfect, but that's ASEAN - not Islam. The irony is that for all the flaws in the Malaysian and Indonesian systems - and there are many - it is generally far, far better to be a Buddhist (or a Christian) in a Muslim-majority ASEAN country than a Muslim in a Buddhist-majority ASEAN country. The situation of the Muslim minorities in countries such as Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam is internationally recognised as characterised by gross human rights violations.

I don't think so, depends on the country, and within the country about which location and living standard, and of course it depends also on the wallet of the individual. - For example much better to be a Muslim in Singapore than to be a Christian in Brunei, better to enjoy your holidays in Pattaya-South as a Muslim than being a Christian in Western Sumatra in Aceh...

3. Your post contained a particularly interesting sentence: 'You never hear about something like that from any other country which is not Muslim......

It remains the fact that only Islam nowadays has laws about blasphemy and apostasy threatening every Muslim who is willing to leave his faith with death, and threatening anybody of other faith who is critical about Islam with death either.

About Islam as a political system - Islamic Republic - it is indeed more like a political system and not really so much a religion, I do not know anything about any other faith which creates nowadays 'Christian Republics' or 'Buddhist Kingdoms'.

[Yohan]

1. Sir, are you aware that the world's largest cinema industry - India's Bollywood - is dominated (in terms of impact and status) by Muslim actors and directors, and that Bollywood film titles and song lyrics are often in Urdu, not Hindi, because Urdu is regarded as a richer and more romantic language?

2. Are you also aware that Turkey is the now the second-largest exporter of scripted TV series after the United States? This means that Turkey now exports more soap operas than Mexico and Brazil. Heck, Turkey exports soap operas to Latin America!

3. Re: pleasure, it is so ironic that you have this perspective because as I wrote in an earlier post, for almost all of the Islamic world's history - right up until 1979 - it was viewed in the West as a place for pleasure-seekers, in contrast to the morally-upstanding Christian West. The Muslim world was seen as some kind of man's paradise, where even an ordinary man was entitled to have up to four wives; meanwhile, the Sultan or Emir had access to unimaginable sexual ecstasies with countless numbers of beautiful women.
This was, of course, a caricature, just as the Muslim world today is generally not the repressed society of the contemporary imagination.

The guideline what is permissible in Islam is not India or Turkey, but Saudi Arabia.
http://listverse.com/2012/11/12/top-10- ... di-arabia/

Further, what is produced for EXPORT to Western countries does not mean it is considered for consumption of local people.

I never considered Islam - even not when I was still a young man - as something which does offer any form of pleasure - it was never a man's paradise, at least not if we talk about any ordinary young man living in wide parts of the Islamic world. It was never a pleasure for poor women too.

It was and still is only a paradise for the very rich Islamic people, for both men and women, who just get on an airplane to Rome, London, Paris, New York, Tokyo. Bangkok and enjoy there, what is missing in their own Islamic world.

Ordinary Muslim men are often horribly poor, are forced to work for very little money, living in large slums, and often are single and lonely... because for marriage, for a girl you have to pay... money is money. - Where is the 'pleasure' for these ordinary young Muslim men?

Nobody can deny, that especially in Islam there is a huge separation not only by gender, but also by wealth.
The difference between poor and rich is shocking. Somehow slaves and master...

[droid]

Ordinary Muslim men are often horribly poor, are forced to work for very little money, living in large slums, and often are single and lonely... because for marriage, for a girl you have to pay... money is money. - Where is the 'pleasure' for these ordinary young Muslim men?

It's a huge sausage fest, it must suck real bad. And we think the west is bad.
No expert in this topic but from what I understand the goat-sex and homosexuality outlets are common, can someone expand on this?

[xtravel]

Islam is actually more compatible with a modern scientific world.

A religion which is encouraging to murder anybody who wants to leave this faith is not compatible with a modern scientific world.

And this is all one needs to know about Islam.

That most adherents accept this aspect of the religion is proof that Islam is a mental illness.

[xtravel]

For example, in most Muslim-majority countries, strict gender segregation of the kind that you see in Saudi Arabia and a handful of other states simply does not exist. There is no 'barrier' as such to meeting women. In fact, because they tend to be very friendly people, they are often easier to meet or approach than in much of Western Europe or North America (outside of Mexico).

Name one Muslim-majority country where a westerner can freely meet and bang native Muslim women without legal or societal consequences. And don't include non-Muslim enclaves like Bali.

[xtravel]

Islam has a long history of freethinkers and philosophers that goes back to the Middle Ages.

Again, we don't care.

[fschmidt]

Name one Muslim-majority country where a westerner can freely meet and bang native Muslim women without legal or societal consequences. And don't include non-Muslim enclaves like Bali.

Hopefully none. The Muslims are right to defend their women against vile degenerate Western male scum.

[Yohan]

Name one Muslim-majority country where a westerner can freely meet and bang native Muslim women without legal or societal consequences. And don't include non-Muslim enclaves like Bali.

Hopefully none. The Muslims are right to defend their women against vile degenerate Western male scum.

Interesting however that Muslim men in Muslim countries can rape non-Muslim women without legal consequences. More the opposite, the Western woman might even go to jail. How does this fit together?

OK, anyway, so name instead one Muslim-majority country where a non-Muslim Westerner can freely meet and marry a Muslim woman without being forced to convert to Islam.

[Yohan]

Islam has a long history of freethinkers and philosophers that goes back to the Middle Ages.

Again, we don't care.

It is true that Islam in Iran was advanced compared to Christianity about 1000 years ago. But it did not continue for always.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Biruni

Around the year 1500 Christianity proved its much better organization and successfully pushed back the invasion of the Ottoman Empire 3 times and removed Islam from wide parts of Europe.

But what about in 2017?
Most Islamic countries are nothing but an economic mess, many of them are nothing but an impoverished region, which produces nothing and depends on food help from the infidels. Some Muslim terrorists are moving around, but that's about it.
Many young Muslim men are trying to enter Europe as refugees and want to live among the infidels...
Large parts of the Islamic world are nothing but a slum, regardless if you are in Egypt, in Pakistan, in Bangladesh...

True or not true?

[Misko_Varesanovic]

Name one Muslim-majority country where a westerner can freely meet and bang native Muslim women without legal or societal consequences. And don't include non-Muslim enclaves like Bali.

Hopefully none. The Muslims are right to defend their women against vile degenerate Western male scum.

Interesting however that Muslim men in Muslim countries can rape non-Muslim women without legal consequences. More the opposite, the Western woman might even go to jail. How does this fit together?

OK, anyway, so name instead one Muslim-majority country where a non-Muslim Westerner can freely meet and marry a Muslim woman without being forced to convert to Islam.

Yes, indeed! There is a belt of states from Albania in the Europe to the border with China (Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan) which are mostly Muslim-majority secular republics. And while you're in that region, the same is true for the Muslim-majority/plurality bits of Russia (except maybe Chechnya, I honestly don't know) and Ukraine.

There will definitely be plenty of examples in Africa, too.

But even where the conversion law is in place, you do realise that it's a nominal conversion, right? What this means in practice is that you have to fill in some forms and turn up to a ceremony. If you can't do that for the woman you love and want to spend the rest of your life with, then of course it's not for you.

[Misko_Varesanovic]

Islam has a long history of freethinkers and philosophers that goes back to the Middle Ages.

Again, we don't care.

It is true that Islam in Iran was advanced compared to Christianity about 1000 years ago. But it did not continue for always.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Biruni

Around the year 1500 Christianity proved its much better organization and successfully pushed back the invasion of the Ottoman Empire 3 times and removed Islam from wide parts of Europe.

But what about in 2017?
Most Islamic countries are nothing but an economic mess, many of them are nothing but an impoverished region, which produces nothing and depends on food help from the infidels. Some Muslim terrorists are moving around, but that's about it.
Many young Muslim men are trying to enter Europe as refugees and want to live among the infidels...
Large parts of the Islamic world are nothing but a slum, regardless if you are in Egypt, in Pakistan, in Bangladesh...

True or not true?

In truth, that's a massive and outdated generalisation. And don't take my word for it - ask any international economist and they will tell you that Muslim-majority countries are some of the fastest-growing and strategically vital economies in the world. Turkey, Qatar, Kazakhstan, the UAE, Malaysia and Indonesia have an especially important footprint. Five out of the world's top twelve airlines in the Skytrax 2017 index are from Muslim-majority countries.

Even with many of the less affluent Muslim-majority countries, like in much of the rest of the world, you can actually have quite a high standard of living with relatively little money. Morocco is the obvious example here.

Sure, there are some Muslim-majority countries where life is tough for the majority of people. Egypt is a good example - its affluent middle class has contracted massively over the past forty years, at least as a percentage of the population.

But guess what? The same is true of Christian-majority countries. Christian-majority countries are not just Western Europe, the US and Canada. They also include many of the world's violence-ridden basket cases, such as much of sub-Saharan Africa and the favelas of Latin America. The world's worst country by almost any measure is the Democratic Republic of the Congo. It makes Syria look like a holiday camp.

Making wild blanket statements about the best part of two billion people is an exercise in futility.

[Misko_Varesanovic]

For example, in most Muslim-majority countries, strict gender segregation of the kind that you see in Saudi Arabia and a handful of other states simply does not exist. There is no 'barrier' as such to meeting women. In fact, because they tend to be very friendly people, they are often easier to meet or approach than in much of Western Europe or North America (outside of Mexico).

Name one Muslim-majority country where a westerner can freely meet and bang native Muslim women without legal or societal consequences. And don't include non-Muslim enclaves like Bali.

To some degree, this is actually possible in most of them. Of course, it is generally nowhere near as easy to do as in the West - at least the promiscuity bit. But why the hell anyone would want to do this - to consciously and deliberately emotionally screw up a human female - is beyond me. You would be volunteering for a fourth-class option when a first-class one was right in front of you.

[Yohan]

But even where the conversion law is in place, you do realise that it's a nominal conversion, right? What this means in practice is that you have to fill in some forms and turn up to a ceremony. If you can't do that for the woman you love and want to spend the rest of your life with, then of course it's not for you.

Why should a man change his religion or his atheist opinion into converting to Islam to live with a Muslim woman?

Why should a Muslim man not doing the same as you suggest? If he finds a woman of any other faith - you suggest he should leave Islam, as it is anyway only a nominal conversion?

[Yohan]

To some degree, this is actually possible in most of them. Of course, it is generally nowhere near as easy to do as in the West - at least the promiscuity bit. But why the hell anyone would want to do this - to consciously and deliberately emotionally screw up a human female - is beyond me. You would be volunteering for a fourth-class option when a first-class one was right in front of you.

However this is one of the reasons, why Muslim men are travelling to Western countries... what they cannot do in their own Islamic countries, they do it just abroad...

[Yohan]

In truth, that's a massive and outdated generalisation. And don't take my word for it - ask any international economist and they will tell you that Muslim-majority countries are some of the fastest-growing and strategically vital economies in the world.
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Making wild blanket statements about the best part of two billion people is an exercise in futility.

If this what you write is true, Muslims would not line up to become immigrants in huge numbers to the Western world, but would move to all these rich Islamic Republics.

However even Islamic media does not share your opinion. Just see a few comments below.

And it is still the infidel, which countries provide food assistance to poor Muslim people. Of course without any thanks in return.
I don't know about any Muslim country, which provides any help to any poor non-Muslim population.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/n ... poor-.html
Why are Muslim countries poor?

http://www.alhudacibe.com/imhd/news22.php
Poverty in Muslim World is Rapidly Increasing: Zubair Mughal

(Tunis) Half of global poverty reside in Muslim world while the Muslim population is 24% of the total global population, if the dangerously increasing poverty in the Muslim community is not controlled soon then it will be alarming.
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..... the countries mentioned in the list are China, India, Brazil and Chili etc. but when we look at the enlisted countries we will come to know that then countries mentioned in the list are not Muslim and by this we will come to know that the poverty is decreasing in non Muslim countries and increasing in Muslim world.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2013 ... d16ac6282c
Why Have The Islamic Countries Failed To Develop Even With Resources Like Oil, While Countries With No Resources Like Switzerland Have Flourished?