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Hi, I read many posts about many countries around the world but no posts about Peru, and yet Peru is a tourist country. I know Peru is wonderful for a girlfriend experience with girls but any guy is talikng about Peru. Why? I went to Peru many years ago and I remember there are beautiful women.
I'd like to ask 2 questions:
1) Are peruvian girls passionate in the bed?
2) Do they pay attention at the age of the partner?
I hope to read some posts but only if you know well Peru please,
thanks


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There's plenty of info here, you may have to dig around a bit. I've spent a lot of time in Peru (as well as Chile) and always had a great time. In general, I rank Peruvian women quite highly, although I can see how some guy are put off by their looks.
TheHunter wrote: 1) Are peruvian girls passionate in the bed?
Better than the average American chick IMO, but their are definitely duds out there.
TheHunter wrote: 2) Do they pay attention at the age of the partner?
From what I've seen most women 30+ are definitely open to dating someone older (even much older) and age is probably not that big a deal. However, I don't think it is as easy in Peru for a 40+ y/o to hook up with a woman in her early 20s (like, in say, some SE Asian countries).

Best advice is to learn Spanish before heading down there.
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You need Spanish and you would need family contacts to get the really nice ones... I have loads of cousins and female relatives (all of them professionals) and all I would have to do is ask them all for a nice suitable single friend who might be interested in eating ice cream with me and one would turn up - doctors, architects, lawyers etc...

However, if you don't have all that and don't speak Spanish then there are bricheras! :lol: if you want to get laid and go to Calle de las Pizzas in Miraflores then you will find someone who speaks great English - don't let her escort you back to La Victoria, Rimac, San Juan de Lurigancho etc or you'll lose more than your wallet.

So, my tip with this is spend time in the country, learn Spanish and you'll find someone.
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The problem with Peru is that there is a dearth of really hot, great-looking women. The women there are in 3 main categories:

The Cholas who are a mixture of mostly indigenous and some Spanish background. Chola is considered ugly by local standards.

The Spanish Criollas with little to no detectable indigenous background. These are the elites, but they are not very common.

The Indias or the pure indigenous women who are almost considered untouchable.

Most Western men seek out the Criollas who are usually from wealthier families and are often spoiled rotten. They do fancy gringos, but again, Peru is a target poor environment unless you are aiming for the more numerous Cholas. Westerners who go around with Cholas were ridiculed as idiots by more affluent and upscale Peruvians when I was there.

All that makes Peru and afterthought when Colombia and Argentina are so close by.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
February 18th, 2020, 9:17 pm
The problem with Peru is that there is a dearth of really hot, great-looking women. The women there are in 3 main categories:

The Cholas who are a mixture of mostly indigenous and some Spanish background. Chola is considered ugly by local standards.

The Spanish Criollas with little to no detectable indigenous background. These are the elites, but they are not very common.

The Indias or the pure indigenous women who are almost considered untouchable.

Most Western men seek out the Criollas who are usually from wealthier families and are often spoiled rotten. They do fancy gringos, but again, Peru is a target poor environment unless you are aiming for the more numerous Cholas. Westerners who go around with Cholas were ridiculed as idiots by more affluent and upscale Peruvians when I was there.

All that makes Peru and afterthought when Colombia and Argentina are so close by.
Let's not forget how bigoted many of them are. I went to Trujillo, Peru, and I had the worst LatAm experience ever! There was this woman....this woman had a PERFECT BODY....she had a coke-bottle shape to haplessly die for! Think of Bria Myles' shape (not skin tone!) from 10 years ago (she got too "thick" nowadays) mixed with Mya Harrison (she's half Italian half Black American but looks Brazilian mulatta). FINE FINE FINE and I spoke to her in Spanish perfectly and she did NOTHING but IGNORE ME. For a half an hour walking side by side trying to get her to utter a word to me...she wouldn't acknowledge my presence. It was the most soul-destroying thing to have a woman so perfect perfectly ignore you. FInally she got to her destination and I couldn't follow her into the building or chaos would have ensued.

I told this story to a Peruvian guy in Spanish at a restaurant an hour later and he said in English, "She thought you were an African pimp".
That pissed me off. One, the guy thinks I'm Black...Two, since he is Peruvian and thinks that way, then there is truth to what he as.sumed about me and how ignorant Peruvians and prejudice really are. Three, I don't look sub Saharan African. I was treated EXCEPTIONALLY WELL in Egypt as they thought I was one of them but in Uganda and Rwanda I was constantly jeered at in the streets stares and all.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
February 18th, 2020, 9:17 pm
The problem with Peru is that there is a dearth of really hot, great-looking women. The women there are in 3 main categories:

The Cholas who are a mixture of mostly indigenous and some Spanish background. Chola is considered ugly by local standards.

The Spanish Criollas with little to no detectable indigenous background. These are the elites, but they are not very common.

The Indias or the pure indigenous women who are almost considered untouchable.

Most Western men seek out the Criollas who are usually from wealthier families and are often spoiled rotten. They do fancy gringos, but again, Peru is a target poor environment unless you are aiming for the more numerous Cholas. Westerners who go around with Cholas were ridiculed as idiots by more affluent and upscale Peruvians when I was there.

All that makes Peru and afterthought when Colombia and Argentina are so close by.
'Cholas' within a modern Peruvian context is more to do with social strata and social class than race - you'd be right if you said it was based on race in the original concept but now it definitely is about behaviours and social strata - it just happens to be that most black people and indigenous people are in the lower social stratas - if a young woman is of mostly indigenous heratige but is training to be a doctor and comes from a middle class background (these people do certainly exist...) then she wouldn't be considered a chola.

One thing where you are right is that most westerners do associate with cholas from places east of Lima - it is a bit like in Thailand most of them go for women from Issan because they're easy to meet - some of them are attractive and some of them aren't - it depends what you like, if you are one of those fellows who loves Asian women - you will probably be happy with what's in Lima and the rest of Peru (as it gets more indigenous the further south you go...) slim, long black hair, friendly etc - if you are into the European look more, then probably you won't find a lot there - I liked it personally and saw more attractive women there than I did in Colombia - I am not into big fat asses and really shit tattoos - if you are - then Colombia is the place to be.

White Peruvian women are just out of reach for the ordinary expat without Spanish or connections - or even longstanding family connections to Peru or the city they reside in - not just them but also the ones who are half or mostly white or mixed with indigenous - which is my family.

When you say they like 'gringos' a Spanish (or French or Italian) middle to upper class man who dresses and looks the part than some American or Canadian backpacker with big shorts and a daft t-shirt telling everyone where he went to school - of course a Criolla isn't going to break the racial/social dating barrier anytime soon though dating a gringo? It would really depend on who the gringo is and how similar he is to her but you're right again - most white male tourists have no chance of meeting one (this is where Tapashito89 was right regards Mexico).

NB: Loads of Venezuelans around the place these days! :D
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yick wrote:
February 19th, 2020, 4:37 pm
'Cholas' are more to do with social strata and social class than race - you'd be right if you said it was based on race in the original concept but now it definitely is about behaviours and social strata - it just happens to be that most black people and indigenous people are in the lower social stratas - if a young woman is of mostly indigenous heratige but is training to be a doctor and comes from a middle class background (these people do certainly exist...) then she wouldn't be considered a chola.
I don't know, I actually lived in worked in Peru probably before you were born. They way the rich, white Peruvians I worked and socialized with explained it to me was that Chola was racial term which by definition automatically IMPLIED low class. One example that illustrates this is President Alejandro Toledo who embraced his nickname of "El Cholo" and was able to galvanize the indigenous and Cholo vote to become the first non-white President of Peru in 2001. Not that they are always correct, but upper class Peruvians still consider him a Cholo no matter what education or status he achieved. Also, they believe that one is born a Cholo and no matter what level of success he or she achieves, she will always be a Cholo/Chola in Peru. They also consider the term "Indio" different than Cholo which implies more Mestizo and non-Indian by culture.

I understand that Cholo in Bolivia is interchangeable with Indio, but Peruvians view them differently. Again, this was the case back in the 1980s. I do concede that your generation might view things quite differently.

You do rightly point out that local blacks in Peru are also ascribed low status unless they are sports stars in Peru. However, blacks could never be considered Cholos but could be considered other not so flattering things like "Chinceros" from Chincha :-))) So Cholo is a racialized term but White Peruvians sometimes joke to each other, "Don't be such a Cholo," or "Don't be like a Cholo."

The best job for blacks, outside of sports or entertainment, when I was there was doorman or pallbearer. So when I was there living the high life in Miraflores and walking around at lunch with a suit and tie, it was quite odd for them and everyone would stare :-))))
yick wrote: White Peruvian women are just out of reach for the ordinary expat without Spanish or connections - or even longstanding family connections to Peru or the city they reside in - not just them but also the ones who are half or mostly white or mixed with indigenous - which is my family.

When you say they like 'gringos' a Spanish (or French or Italian) middle to upper class man who dresses and looks the part than some American or Canadian backpacker with big shorts and a daft t-shirt telling everyone where he went to school - of course a Criolla isn't going to break the racial/social dating barrier anytime soon though dating a gringo? It would really depend on who the gringo is and how similar he is to her but you're right again - most white male tourists have no chance of meeting one (this is where Tapashito89 was right regards Mexico).
I take it from your description that things have radically changed since I was there. Back then, even a white, homeless, hippy would have run the tables with hot Peruvian women, especially if he was blond. But sounds as if that party is now over :-))))
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February 19th, 2020, 5:28 pm

I don't know, I actually lived in worked in Peru probably before you were born.


And I am a Peruvian citizen and my family are Peruvian - no one is denying your experiences but you're not going to pull any kind of rank card on me regarding Peruvian culture or how Peruvians think - I mean, I wouldn't dream of pulling you up on American culture :lol: - it is part of my DNA - for you admittedly - it's a place of temporary sojourn - though I do respect your posts on a manner of topics and of course I respect your views on Peru and your experiences there so don't take anything the wrong way.
They way the rich, white Peruvians I worked and socialized with explained it to me was that Chola was racial term which by definition automatically IMPLIED low class.
That's right - like I said - the term has outgrown its original definition as a racial term that now emcompasses social and moral mores - not every woman of indigenous origins are 'cholas'. That being said - Peru is still a place where the vast majority of poor people are indigenous so being 'Chola' and being indigenous are mutally inclusive.

One example that illustrates this is President Alejandro Toledo who embraced his nickname of "El Cholo" and was able to galvanize the indigenous and Cholo vote to become the first non-white President of Peru in 2001.


The first non-white president/dictator of Peru would probably be Morales Bermudez - he wasn't an indigenous man but was more certainly mixed (but I suppose you could make that argument for a fair few of them having native blood), Alan Garcia was the first preseident of Peru who was of mostly indigenous heratige but he wasn't called El Cholo - but lets go on Tolodeo's nickname of 'El Cholo' - Fujimori was called 'El Chino' even though he wasn't - Peruvians love giving nicknames to everyone but why doesn't the presidents Humuata and Vizcarra who are in office now have the nicknames 'El Cholo' - they're as indigenous as Toledo but don't have the nickname - the nickname thing doesn't go as deep as you like to think it does.

Not that they are always correct, but upper class Peruvians still consider him a Cholo no matter what education or status he achieved. Also, they believe that one is born a Cholo and no matter what level of success he or she achieves, she will always be a Cholo/Chola in Peru. They also consider the term "Indio" different than Cholo which implies more Mestizo and non-Indian by culture.
Not true at all - this is the one point I do disagree on.

Indigenous Peruvians are in the highest offices in the land - they're not seen as Cholo at all - Cholo these days is more about behaviours and social class.
I understand that Cholo in Bolivia is interchangeable with Indio, but Peruvians view them differently. Again, this was the case back in the 1980s. I do concede that your generation might view things quite differently.
Out of interest, how old do you think I am? :lol: I am probably not that much younger than you.

You do rightly point out that local blacks in Peru are also ascribed low status unless they are sports stars in Peru. However, blacks could never be considered Cholos but could be considered other not so flattering things like "Chinceros" from Chincha :-))) So Cholo is a racialized term but White Peruvians sometimes joke to each other, "Don't be such a Cholo," or "Don't be like a Cholo."
Exactly - you have just said it there - Peruvians describe certain behaviours as 'being Cholo' if you're acting low class - like playing loud music at 3 am, cooking anticuchos on the top of the roof stinking the place out, ripping off gringos - that's acting like a Cholo - I imagine indigenous Peruvians being able to cross into the higher echelons of the top of Peruvian society being a recent thing and I imagine that white Peruvian females would baulk at dating an indignenous Peruvian man - even if he was an army general - so it isn't like indigenous Peruvians are able to cross the social lines at will, of course, they can't - most of them are still in the lower stratas of Peruvian society and the beaches of 'Asia' are still closed off to them as white Peruvians party 'til dawn.

One of the stranger things I saw in Lima was the fact you hardly saw black Peruvians in places like Miraflores but go a few miles east towards La Victoria and there were plenty of them - Peru isn't a racially accepting place which I will accept.
The best job for blacks, outside of sports or entertainment, when I was there was doorman or pallbearer. So when I was there living the high life in Miraflores and walking around at lunch with a suit and tie, it was quite odd for them and everyone would stare :-))))
I could imagine - you won't find many black people, never mind black Peruvians in Miraflores - even today.

I take it from your description that things have radically changed since I was there. Back then, even a white, homeless, hippy would have run the tables with hot Peruvian women, especially if he was blond. But sounds as if that party is now over :-))))
Really? Well, it has changed then! :lol:
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E Irizarry R&B Singer wrote:
February 18th, 2020, 11:03 pm

Let's not forget how bigoted many of them are. I went to Trujillo, Peru, and I had the worst LatAm experience ever! There was this woman....this woman had a PERFECT BODY....she had a coke-bottle shape to haplessly die for! Think of Bria Myles' shape (not skin tone!) from 10 years ago (she got too "thick" nowadays) mixed with Mya Harrison (she's half Italian half Black American but looks Brazilian mulatta). FINE FINE FINE and I spoke to her in Spanish perfectly and she did NOTHING but IGNORE ME. For a half an hour walking side by side trying to get her to utter a word to me...she wouldn't acknowledge my presence. It was the most soul-destroying thing to have a woman so perfect perfectly ignore you. FInally she got to her destination and I couldn't follow her into the building or chaos would have ensued.
I think most women would want to avoid a man who follows them around if they aren't even acknowledging him. She was probably concerned for her safety. Maybe she doesn't think that just because she's fine, she owes you attention.

Do you have to be introduced to a woman over there before it is considered polite for her to talk to you?
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http://la-realidad-peruana-noticias-e-h ... io-y-cholo

An interesting article on the above.
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MrMan wrote:
February 19th, 2020, 7:08 pm
E Irizarry R&B Singer wrote:
February 18th, 2020, 11:03 pm

Let's not forget how bigoted many of them are. I went to Trujillo, Peru, and I had the worst LatAm experience ever! There was this woman....this woman had a PERFECT BODY....she had a coke-bottle shape to haplessly die for! Think of Bria Myles' shape (not skin tone!) from 10 years ago (she got too "thick" nowadays) mixed with Mya Harrison (she's half Italian half Black American but looks Brazilian mulatta). FINE FINE FINE and I spoke to her in Spanish perfectly and she did NOTHING but IGNORE ME. For a half an hour walking side by side trying to get her to utter a word to me...she wouldn't acknowledge my presence. It was the most soul-destroying thing to have a woman so perfect perfectly ignore you. FInally she got to her destination and I couldn't follow her into the building or chaos would have ensued.
I think most women would want to avoid a man who follows them around if they aren't even acknowledging him. She was probably concerned for her safety. Maybe she doesn't think that just because she's fine, she owes you attention.

Do you have to be introduced to a woman over there before it is considered polite for her to talk to you?
I was thinking that myself :lol:

As for your last point - it isn't a particulary safe place for women - domestic violence and violence against women is still a problem, his colour might have had something do with it but I doubt it to be honest - if she was as nice as he said she was - she was probably with someone and gets (negative) attention every time she goes out.

People tend to be guarded out and about on the streets. Folks tend to give you that little look as you pass them making sure they're aware of you - it's never hostile or rarely but they're letting you know they're aware.
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yick wrote:
February 19th, 2020, 6:27 pm
And I am a Peruvian citizen and my family are Peruvian - no one is denying your experiences but you're not going to pull any kind of rank card on me regarding Peruvian culture or how Peruvians think - I mean, I wouldn't dream of pulling you up on American culture :lol: - it is part of my DNA - for you admittedly - it's a place of temporary sojourn - though I do respect your posts on a manner of topics and of course I respect your views on Peru and your experiences there so don't take anything the wrong way.
Certainly you know Peru better than I ever will, but even Peruvians disagree on things like the meaning of Cholo so I think it depends on who you ask, much like the meaning of the term “ni**gr” has different meanings in the States depending on who you ask. Therein lies the reasonable difference in interpretations.

But I’m sure we could 100 % agree that Peruvian ceviche with its rocoto and choclo is the best ceviche in the world!
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
February 19th, 2020, 7:33 pm
yick wrote:
February 19th, 2020, 6:27 pm
And I am a Peruvian citizen and my family are Peruvian - no one is denying your experiences but you're not going to pull any kind of rank card on me regarding Peruvian culture or how Peruvians think - I mean, I wouldn't dream of pulling you up on American culture :lol: - it is part of my DNA - for you admittedly - it's a place of temporary sojourn - though I do respect your posts on a manner of topics and of course I respect your views on Peru and your experiences there so don't take anything the wrong way.
Certainly you know Peru better than I ever will, but even Peruvians disagree on things like the meaning of Cholo so I think it depends on who you ask, much like the meaning of the term “ni**gr” has different meanings in the States depending on who you ask. Therein lies the reasonable difference in interpretations.

But I’m sure we could 100 % agree that Peruvian ceviche with its rocoto and choclo is the best ceviche in the world!
That's fair enough, I definitely respect your findings - and though my family over there are middle to upper middle class - I didn't have access to white, upper class Peruvian society so you'll know more about them than I :lol:

Peruvian ceviche con causa is the greatest meal of all time! The food is amazing for sure - I was going to say Peru is more of a food destination than a woman destination but that's because the food is so good!
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February 19th, 2020, 7:40 pm
I was going to say Peru is more of a food destination than a woman destination but that's because the food is so good!
Now that you mention the food, that brings back a lot of memories!

One of my favorite restaurants in the world was a place called Vivaldi in Miraflores. I used to go there once a week and have lomo asado, or lomo saltado. I am sure that place is long closed now, but it was the best. And the "chifa" was the best chinese food, but with a Peruvian twist.

There was also a classy restaurant on the Pacific Ocean called something "de Salta." It was world class. There was a very small little ceviche place in Magdelena that was famous because the then President Alan Garcia used to eat his ceviche there. That became my spot too!

Peru was going thru the Sendero Luminoso and MRTA madness when I was there, so much of my recreation revolved around going out to eat.
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Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
February 19th, 2020, 8:33 pm
yick wrote:
February 19th, 2020, 7:40 pm
I was going to say Peru is more of a food destination than a woman destination but that's because the food is so good!
Now that you mention the food, that brings back a lot of memories!

One of my favorite restaurants in the world was a place called Vivaldi in Miraflores. I used to go there once a week and have lomo asado, or lomo saltado. I am sure that place is long closed now, but it was the best. And the "chifa" was the best chinese food, but with a Peruvian twist.

There was also a classy restaurant on the Pacific Ocean called something "de Salta." It was world class. There was a very small little ceviche place in Magdelena that was famous because the then President Alan Garcia used to eat his ceviche there. That became my spot too!

Peru was going thru the Sendero Luminoso and MRTA madness when I was there, so much of my recreation revolved around going out to eat.
Chifa is wonderful - my favourite dish is pollo ajukay (I don't know if I have spelt that right...) the fried chicken with the the sweet sauce and fried rice and of course - with cold Inca Kola - the problem with Chifas though is which one is safe to go in because you can get the proper shits with a lot of them - just like China I suppose :lol: though Gaston Acurio has opened a chain and they're very good - always a queue at lunchtime.

I loved pan con chicharron, tamales, the lucuma ice cream and I know I am going to sound a right one here but I loved the burgers - they know how to make a really good burger - and the fresh bread in the morning! For a few soles you can get a load of 'pan frances'

You were there in some proper rough times, when was it the last time you were in Peru? You plan on visiting again?
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